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Old 07-03-2007   #41
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You also avoid answering them.

Did you furnish one link to support the untruths you were pontificating?

Nope.

Reeves never suggested releasing Carr and drafting VY as part of his consulting recommendations. Prove me wrong. Show me a link or even a quote at the time Reeves was hired to consult.

Not an offhand remark ten months after the fact. You can't.

that 'offhand' remark was Reeves saying that he told McNair to draft VY...when he said it is unimportant. he said it. was Reeves lying?

It's all your opinion, not an particle of fact.

I will answer your question though, yes, Jerruh did hire Jimmy.

Now answer mine. You do realize that he also fired him and hasn't won anything since,..... don't you?

actually the Cowboys won a Super Bowl after Jimmy left. Jimmy had been gone for 2 years when they won the 3rd title. Anyone with half a brain knows that the demise of the Cowboys began when Aikman retired. You can't win without a good QB and if anyone knows that it should be a Texans fan.

Or will you respond with more trash talk.

yo momma

And Switzer was a good 'college' coach.

It's funny how that fat guy at Notre Dame is a genius Head Coach but can't beat any legit NCAA football power while Switzer is a braindead hick. Switzer took the Cowboys to 2 NFC Championship Games and won a Super Bowl....I guess that is an inconvenient truth though. Oh and damn right he was a great college coach and he was a damn good NFL coach. He is just a good football coach, period. He always had his team and coaching staff prepared and inspired to play good football both in NFL and in college. I just can't stand the cookie-cutter 'Switzer Sucks' nonsense. I am a Longhorn and can't stand Switzer as a coach but to say he wasn't any good or that he won with Jimmy's players is just wrong.

Great owner/franchise? Hardly.

that is laughable. 3 lombardi trophies during his watch. More than 90% of the teams have won in their entire existence. but whatever, he sucks. oh and the franchise isn't great? cmon now. Its one of the most recognizable names in Sports and is one of the most valued franchises in the world....oh and they are building this huge stadium that makes most NFL stadiums look like a chicken coup....but whatever, there franchise is a joke says the sheeple

Boys fan? Titans fan? Like they say, "if it sounds like a duck... "

so now I am not a fan of the Texans? do you even read the stuff you write? i know it sucks being wrong all the time about your team but don't hate on someone who has forgotten more than you have ever known about the Texans. So keep on drinking your coffee and keep on being wrong about everything and keep on homering for your boy. Weve all heard it for years and it still rings as hollow as it did back then.

as for the link to the Reeves comments, its kinda tough to link an interview you heard on live radio on SR610. You know what was said, its not a big secret or some vast neo-con conspiracy. It was said and it doesn't surprise me at all. so basically your only argument is that Reeves is lying to save face. yeah, whatever. NEXT!
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If I started a wikipedia entry for 'sheeple', you and caddy's faces would be used as a visual aid. I might need to put that on my Things To Do list....

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that smells like spin to me. i read Reeves quote that he told McNair that he should draft VY but that he didnt say that McNair needed to get rid of Carr. Seems like you have it the other way around. However you spell it, Reeves was right about VY and wrong about Carr and Bob McNair was wrong about both.

and if McNair isn't picking RB because of character issues, that is just laughable. he won the freaking Heisman for crying out loud. yeah, he took some money but that goes on everywhere and is not unique to RB. his problem was that he lied about it to Bob. All he had to tell Bob was 'my parents probably took advantage of my college status and used it to improve their situation. I am sorry Bob but I won't let you down'.....instead he allegedly lied to his face in a direct question..it was High Stakes Poker and McNair called RB's and more importantly, his agent's bluff that Friday Afternoon.

stephanie, i am not a blogger or a texans insider but over 3 years ago I was on this board stating that Carr's work ethic was poor and that he was among the first to leave the complex and did not work with his teammates in the offseason or outside of team organized activities. I stated that he was notoriously lacking in his film study. I also stated that he wasn't 'one of the guys' and didnt hang out with his teammates outside of team organized activities and charities. I stated that Al Saunders brought a PowerPoint presentation to his Texans job interview that showed all the problems Carr has with his release point and with his reading of the defense/knowledge of his position and that was a huge reason he was not considered for the job even though he was probably the most coveted HC candidate that offseason. I wrote that a lot of the Offensive Lineman were kinda offended that Carr bought them paint ball guns after '04 and who wouldn't be offended by that? I was called a moron, a carr hater, and just about everything in the book. I knew what I knew and I was eventually proven correct. The sheeple (including McNair) continued to hitch their wagon to that loser. I had my sources but I ain't outing a friend who does have inside knowledge. (fyi - he isn't a member of the Texans but does deal with multiple Texans on a day-to-day basis when they are at the facility/homegame and is close with many of them...lets just say that he lends them an ear and has heard some hardcore rants)

so why am I not surprised when someone else says that I am wrong or that I don't know what I am talking about? Bottom line is that McNair hired Kubiak to coach Carr up. Reeves told McNair to draft VY but that Carr didn't need to be fired. McNair didn't heed his device and passed on Bush because RB did some unethical stuff in college and wasn't forthcoming with the truth and wasn't going to sign before the draft. Mario was more willing to sign before the draft and in their infinite wisdom was chosen instead of Bush, Ferguson, or VY.

i love your blog but stop trying to change the facts in order to put Bob in a better light. Bob screwed up. Period. End of story. At least he didn't wait another 5 years to admit it and turned the page this offseason. I give him a lot of credit for that all the time.

for the record, I think we have a good chance this season at improvement. having the youngest starters in the league is fine in my book and Smith seems to have things going in the right direction. no more overpaying for players and no more wtf?!?! draft picks. I think our roster is quite respectable especially when you consider how much dead capspace we have courtesy of Casserley. I love my Texans. GO TEXANS!

The blog lets you see the links yourself and make your own conclusions. I don't know where you are pulling out your *facts* about stuff other than maybe misremembering. The interviews that Reeves did at the time of the Shrine game were self-serving, but they were the most complete that were done at the time.

It would be totally goofy in a salary cap league to do the buy back of Carr in February at that price, and then draft VY with the first pick in April. Once they made the decision on Carr, the writing was on the wall.

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The Texans' confidence has wavered only slightly in Carr in four seasons. Every indication in recent weeks was that the Texans would pay the "buy back" bonus to keep Carr.

Former NFL head coach Dan Reeves, who served as a consultant to Texans owner Bob McNair, recommended keeping Carr, the top overall choice in the 2002 draft. First-year head coach Gary Kubiak, who has a strong reputation around the league for developing quarterbacks and whose presence could enhance Carr's performance, apparently gave him a strong endorsement, too.
Okay, Dan Reeves how is it that you recommended keeping Carr but though Young was great too?

A YEAR later, he says that he thought that Young should have been looked at even if you kept Carr:

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"I don't know if they ever asked my advice, but I looked at (Young) and told them that he was a guy they would have to consider even with David Carr there," Reeves said.
That suggests that he wasn't an active participant in the draft process.

Then later he crawdaddies a bit:

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Whether you had a David Carr or not, you had to evaluate the young man and see if this does fit in your picture. And basically what it came down to is I liked what I saw, and I also liked what I saw in David Carr.

But then it was, in my opinion, who ever came here as a head coach, for him to sit down, look at David Carr and evaluate him and say, you know, is this the guy I want? And that's exactly what they did. Gary Kubiak came in and felt comfortable with David Carr so then it eliminated the possibility of taking Vince Young. And I don't disagree with that at all. To me it's up to who you bring in as a head coach to make that evaluation.
Of course, he is trying to make himself look better because he is saying he is still interested in coaching, and was as confused about the Williams pick as anyone else.

So basically this is the scenario:

Casserly likes Carr wants the Texans to draft Bush. (According to John McClain, he wanted to announce the Bush pick early). He thinks Carr is not the problem.

McNair hires Reeves. Reeves follows the team and believes that Carr is not the problem, says that to McNair and publicly. He endorses Kubiak as the new HC.

If CC, Reeves, and Kubiak says that Carr is not the problem, so the buyback is exercised IN FEBRUARY. It would have been completely irrational to then go out and draft VY.

It's my opinion, not fact, that the Texans 2006 draft was a cluster resulting from really really bad timing:

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(Oh, and I don't mention finding out the injuries to Domanick Williams and Jerome Mathis late-ish in the process)

As for the investigation stuff of Reggie, it really was terrible timing. The worst stuff about him was coming up right before the draft, Reggie wasn't being particularly forthcoming (nor has he ever), and there were all nasty sorts of rumors swirling around. For example one I heard was fears of a federal tax investigation of Bush for not paying taxes on the gifts he received.

So, you can see me as an apologist of Bob, but I see what he did as something that could be rational decision under the circumstances. It is my opinion, but my opinion is based on the facts at the time.
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Three points after reading this thread.

1) I can not tell everyone how pleased I am that there is a new term, "sheeple", for those who supported Carr and did not want to admit he had failed. Of course, some of them bring it on themselves for still not facing up and moving on. I'm sure such a fancy new word will provide plenty of mirth to the jokers, while ruining thread after thread.

2) I'm glad to know there are already several words for people who continually, week after week, pound their chests after being proven right in an opinion they held. Frequently these people bring up Carr as much as the "sheeples", in posts such as "What do you mean Salaam isn't a good left tackle - you must be a Carr lover". It reminds me of what you say to a player who goes overboard in end zone celebrations: Act like you've been there before.

3) Should we have a contest for the new word we'll need? It would be a word to describe the people who think all of the team's problems are fixed because they replaced a lackluster quarterback. This word could have been used every year since the team began. It must describe someone who has to find someone to blame when his/her own unrealistic expectations are not met.
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Just because you say these things, doesn't make them true.

Reeves was not consulted on who to draft. He did advise that Carr was not the problem. Check out for example this link: Dan Reeves: Futher Explains His View on Vince Young, Reggie Bush and Mario Williams

Casserly was very anti-VY, and still is. Remember his top 10 list of QBs with less than 40 starts. See who is missing?

10 Alex Smith
9 Jason Campbell
8 Matt Leinert
7 Rex Grossman
6 Tony Romo
5 Bryan Leftwich
4 Big Ben
3 Eli Manning
2 Philip Rivers
1 Carson Palmer

If Reeves comes in and says no problem with Carr, and Casserly is saying the same thing, why should Bob McNair think any differently?
The head coach (KUBES) HAD to say that he could win with Carr to get the job.
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So, you can see me as an apologist of Bob, but I see what he did as something that could be rational decision under the circumstances. It is my opinion, but my opinion is based on the facts at the time.
TC - I don't think you are a rubber stamp apologist for Bob. You are more objective than most of the 'media' around here. You try and present both sides to an argument and you are smart enough to realize that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

my thing was that I hold McNair culpable for resigning Carr, then the byproduct of that decision in the passing up of VY, and for the desire to only consider coaches who were willing to try and retool Carr. It seemed to me, and I could be wrong in the assumption, that you were kinda passing the buck to Casserley/Kubiak in regards to the Mario pick over Young and ultimately Bush. That was McNair that made that happen. I can't rationalize the decision making because it seemed more predicated on off the field issues and not football issues (signability, admitting Carr was a bad 1st overall pick, and going with someone who may have been involved in some unethical issues in college)

it may end up working alright for him but his meddling in those personnel moves has presently cost the Texans a lot of ridicule, momentum, and future promise.

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Gary Kubiak came in and felt comfortable with David Carr so then it eliminated the possibility of taking Vince Young.
I think some folks are deflecting away from Kubiak in order to avoid tarnishing him in their own minds.

The truth? We can't handle it.

Seriously, though, I doubt Kubiak would have ever taken Young as his QB. Leinart or Cutler would probably have been his picks, and hindsight being 20/20, it would not surprise me if he would choose RB - potential holdout and all - if given a second chance at the decision. (But, of course, a rookie HC had to bend to the will of his owner, which in this case wanted a deal inked before the draft.)

And the rest, as they say, is history.

ps. what is weird in my alternate reality: if we had picked Bush in the draft, Carr might still be here. The dump passes would have played into Reggie's strength, and with two offensive weapons like RB and AJ, a couple more wins might have resulted. No way do they cut Carr if we had a winning record. So McNair's two big decisions last year probably conflicted with each other to create a 'perfect storm')
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Three points after reading this thread.

1) I can not tell everyone how pleased I am that there is a new term, "sheeple", for those who supported Carr and did not want to admit he had failed. Of course, some of them bring it on themselves for still not facing up and moving on. I'm sure such a fancy new word will provide plenty of mirth to the jokers, while ruining thread after thread.

2) I'm glad to know there are already several words for people who continually, week after week, pound their chests after being proven right in an opinion they held. Frequently these people bring up Carr as much as the "sheeples", in posts such as "What do you mean Salaam isn't a good left tackle - you must be a Carr lover". It reminds me of what you say to a player who goes overboard in end zone celebrations: Act like you've been there before.

3) Should we have a contest for the new word we'll need? It would be a word to describe the people who think all of the team's problems are fixed because they replaced a lackluster quarterback. This word could have been used every year since the team began. It must describe someone who has to find someone to blame when his/her own unrealistic expectations are not met.
i gotta tell ya the truth, i cant take credit for sheeple. i think the term dates back to either Thunderkyss, Vinny, or Kaiser Toro using it to describe the Carr zealots back like a year ago or so. There is an outside shot it could have been Porky but I don't think so.

I will take credit for bringing it back into the public consciousness though.
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So, you can see me as an apologist of Bob, but I see what he did as something that could be rational decision under the circumstances. It is my opinion, but my opinion is based on the facts at the time.
"You must spread reputation, etc."

If I read more posts this well written and factual, maybe I could spread more rep around. TC, you've once again shown great patience in outlining the process that led to the Texans 2006 draft. That this has to be re-hashed on a constant basis is baffling to me.

Here's my opinion: If the Texans had selected Reggie Bush or Vince Young #1 in '06, they would have still not made the playoffs. So as far as the results from 2006 are concerned, it didn't really matter who the Texans selected.

You say, what about the future? Clearly, Young and Bush will be better than Mario, right? I don't know that. Mario has a long way to go to realize the production and performance of a #1 pick. And, not all can be explained away by a bad foot. Williams plays too high. He doesn't use his hands effectively to get off blocks. He can be fooled because his instincts for the pro game aren't there, yet. But, Mario is 22 years old. Unquestionably, he's one of the NFL's premier physical specimens. And at times, I saw Williams make plays that made me say, "Wow!". There's no reason for me to believe that Mario can't string more of those type of plays together, and become a dominant DE.

Young and Bush realized more of their potential in their rookie season. Absolutely. But I'm sorry to say, they aren't great players. Yet. Not by a long shot. Each of them must get better to become an upper echelon player. A lot better. Of course, there's no reason why they won't get better. Just as there's no real proof as to why Mario won't make major improvements. The fact is that right now, 7/3/07, no one knows for a fact if the Texans made a mistake on draft day, or not.

I don't know where to rank Bob McNair on the list of NFL owners. I do know that I'm glad he's the owner of the NFL team I cheer for and support. I do believe he's trying his best to build a great organization and a great team. I also believe McNair's fingerprints are all over the #1 selection in 2006. As they should be. And call me a homer all you want to, but you cannot convince me that there is enough evidence to claim he made a mistake in selecting Mario.
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I don't know where to rank Bob McNair on the list of NFL owners. I do know that I'm glad he's the owner of the NFL team I cheer for and support. I do believe he's trying his best to build a great organization and a great team. I also believe McNair's fingerprints are all over the #1 selection in 2006. As they should be. And call me a homer all you want to, but you cannot convince me that there is enough evidence to claim he made a mistake in selecting Mario.
It's hard to get on Bob because it's like playing poker ... you pay to learn . I guess he listened to CC , then doubted CC and hired Reeves . In the meantime Dom has been thrown under the bus by CC .

I think Reeves was job hunting and we all know where Bob's soft spot was . I think Reeves did a 180 when VY did well and you can bet your #$#$$ that if VY stinks this year they'll do another 180 .
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i gotta tell ya the truth, i cant take credit for sheeple. i think the term dates back to either Thunderkyss, Vinny, or Kaiser Toro using it to describe the Carr zealots back like a year ago or so. There is an outside shot it could have been Porky but I don't think so.

I will take credit for bringing it back into the public consciousness though.
I have used it, but certainly didn't create it. I'm not sure who used it first in relationship to the Carr lovers, but I think it fits.

A thread talking about the relative merits of Bob Mcnairs decision that didn't at least mention Carr would be like talking about the relative merits of OJ Simpson while not mentioning Ron Goldman. I have no problem with it, and there are plenty of other threads that don't mention Carr.
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my thing was that I hold McNair culpable for resigning Carr, then the byproduct of that decision in the passing up of VY, and for the desire to only consider coaches who were willing to try and retool Carr. It seemed to me, and I could be wrong in the assumption, that you were kinda passing the buck to Casserley/Kubiak in regards to the Mario pick over Young and ultimately Bush. That was McNair that made that happen.
I think you've nailed it there S-H. Plus your earlier speculation about a likely
scenario of how Big Bobs ego got in the way re Bush's visit to Houston
and USC players lack of a subservient demeanor. Quite the opposite actually, Bush and his agent(s) may have been downright arrogant in their confidance of his inevitability as the Drafts #1 pick.
And somebody else said something about the bad timing on the story about Bushs familly, agent, and the rental house. The Draft is now like a political campaign: expect the dirt to come out right before the election because thats when it has its maximun effective. In other words, it was not a coincidence it came out the week of the Draft, but it sure seemed to catch the Texans off guard. And that's their fault, because they should have had a "Plan B": they should have been prepared to go another way besides Bush if they cooled on him for whatever reason in the last week and not just panic and take whos available. In other words, a trade.
The consensus is that Bush at the best was the #2 rookie back (besides QBs) last year after former cross-town rival Maurice Drew-Jones, who scored a half-dozen more TDs than Bush and had 'bout 350 more rushing yards than Bush. Still the talk is about Bush vs. Mario and not Maurice D-J vs. Mario because well,...................
After basically a disappointing rookie year in comparison to the other top picks from his Draft, Mario has this season to redeem himself. The Texans spin is that he's now healthy, has been asserted at a single position at weakside DE and won't be confused by being moved around within the Dline, and is in his second year so he's more settled and adjusted.
We shall see.
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The consensus is that Bush at the best was the #2 rookie back (besides QBs) last year after former cross-town rival Maurice Drew-Jones, who scored a half-dozen more TDs than Bush and had 'bout 350 more rushing yards than Bush. Still the talk is about Bush vs. Mario and not Maurice D-J vs. .
If you're going to talk about top rookie backs from last year, you need to mention Joseph Addai. He's as complete and productive as any rookie RB from last season. And it wasn't all 'the system.'

As far as McNair's ranking, he's earned it by bringing the NFL back to Houston against most odds, then keeping the business healthy despite the terrible product on the football side (for which he also has responsibility) and his involvement in league matters. It is ultimately what happens on the football side that will determines his and the other owners legacies.

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The following is my own point of view.

I was in the Carr supporter camp up until the third week of last year. I bought into it was the former coach's fault. Two OC's, a play book thrown out right before opening day, a HC that babied him, a slew of OL changes with no real LT, and no running game after DD went down. After the coaching changes I thought he had a chance to right his ship. He didn't. It was the same old David that made the same old mistakes. It was at that point that I knew, I was wrong.

However that still does not mean we should have drafted Young, Leinart is still the best QB to have come out of that class. Period. VY being on the cover of Madden and winning rookie of the year is laughable. Have we really lowered our standards to a guy who threw for just over 50%, less than 23 hundred yards and more int's than TD's? Well time will tell if I am wrong on this one too. "Superman" doesn't have Pac-man and Travis Henry to bail him out this year.

We already had an injury prone back with DD. We really didn't need another one.

Getting back to our owner. McNair only brought back the NFL to the city of Houston. A miracle in itself considering he went up against L.A. No way should we have beaten them out for the last expansion team, but it was McNairs leadership and vision that landed us the 32nd team.

When the NFL tried to scare him off with a record 700 million dollar franchise fee he didn't even blink. Instead, he opened up his check book and asked "Who do I make the check out to?"

He has done nothing but great things for the city of Houston, including landing a Superbowl. He has given back to the community, given money to charities, and has done a good job of lobbying to get the Texans as much exposure as he can. He has held his employees and his players under the highest standards making sure the city of Houston is not embarrassed.

So his what is his one crime? Loyalty? Cass is the one who made personnel decisions, Capers is the one who gave Cass the input. Year three we went 7-9 and improved each year with each team looking better and better. No one could have guessed the wheels would fall off the bus the following year and go 2-14.

For any Dallas fan out there I have just two words. Quincey Carter.

But I do love to read the trollish statements by people who claim to be Texan fans but sport a VY avi. Not mentioning anyone specific. But they might also live in the woodlands, but that is as far as I go.

Yes this team has had its problems but McNair has handled himself with dignity and pride, has made himself available to the fans and media, even after everything this team has gone through, has never thrown anyone under the bus, and has given back to the community. I think he is a great owner.

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I was in the Carr supporter camp up until the third week of last year. I bought into it was the former coach's fault. Two OC's, a play book thrown out right before opening day, a HC that babied him, a slew of OL changes with no real LT, and no running game after DD went down. After the coaching changes I thought he had a chance to right his ship. He didn't. It was the same old David that made the same old mistakes. It was at that point that I knew, I was wrong.

However that still does not mean we should have drafted Young, Leinart is still the best QB to have come out of that class. Period. VY being on the cover of Madden and winning rookie of the year is laughable. Have we really lowered our standards to a guy who threw for just over 50%, less than 23 hundred yards and more int's than TD's? Well time will tell if I am wrong on this one too. "Superman" doesn't have Pac-man and Travis Henry to bail him out this year.

Talk about gutsy moves. If the Texans kicked Carr to the curb in February, and then drafted another quarterback other than VY in April, Bob McNair and Gary Kubiak would have been tarred, feathered, and run out of town on rails. The Mario choice would be cake in comparison.

Good comments about McNair stepping up to the plate.
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Stuff your facts--they're not welcome here

Doesn't help that I and even others have publicly stated that we know people who worked with and in some cases WERE a part of the draft decision--it was a football decision made by the staff who were paid to make these decisions and it had nothing to do with McNair saying Carr or else.

But ... some fans just won't take no for an answer.
So what you're saying is that the paid professionals screwed that draft up. Not McNair. Got it. It's still a screw-up (at this point) and the head man picked the guys who were running the draft and knew their history in drafts.

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So what you're saying is that the paid professionals screwed that draft up. Not McNair. Got it. It's still a screw-up (at this point) and the head man picked the guys who were running the draft and knew their history in drafts.

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Last year's draft was a screw up? That should be news to a lot of people considering the Texans drafted the Defensive Rookie of the Year, the most productive rookie TE in the NFL, 2 starters on the offensive line and a RB that was more productive (as a running back) than Reg Bush when he started. Hopefully they "screwed up" this year's draft that badly.
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If you're going to talk about top rookie backs from last year, you need to mention Joseph Addai. He's as complete and productive as any rookie RB from last season. And it wasn't all 'the system.'

As far as McNair's ranking, he's earned it by bringing the NFL back to Houston against most odds, then keeping the business healthy despite the terrible product on the football side (for which he also has responsibility) and his involvement in league matters. It is ultimately what happens on the football side that will determines his and the other owners legacies.
Yep, we got a bunch of Texans guys on our own Board who are all gah-gah eyed over Bush, but you're right, when it comes to performance on the field
Addai's rookie year is right there with what Drew-Jones & Bush accomplished.
And as far as any reservations I've got about some of McNair's personnel decisions, he's still my favorite owner 'cause he brought the NFL back to Houston and built a very class organization in the process.
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