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Old 06-12-2007   #1
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nothing too new or anything.. just another offseason read- never realised that black was pencilled in as our lt over salaam though if spencer isnt back
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never realised that black was pencilled in as our lt over salaam though if spencer isnt back
Well, that's one nugget of information, which is one more than many articles have this time of year.
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nothing too new or anything.. just another offseason read- never realised that black was pencilled in as our lt over salaam though if spencer isnt back
In the couple practices I saw Salaam was always the LT with the 1st team offense, Black seemed to always be in with the 2nd team. Maybe they have split some time or something, but FWIW every rep I saw had Salaam above Black.
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I don't think Kubiak sees Salaam as a guy who can handle starting a full season- he'll break down physically... So, If they determine Spencer is going to be healthy and ready to take over LT, he may start a game or two early on. However, if we go into the season with Spencer on IR or PUP then I think Black will start at LT... With a healthy SPencer, I look for Black to challenge at RG or at least be a part of a rotation at G.
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In the couple practices I saw Salaam was always the LT with the 1st team offense, Black seemed to always be in with the 2nd team. Maybe they have split some time or something, but FWIW every rep I saw had Salaam above Black.
Have you seen Bob out there? Not sure he is reporting anything he has actually seen or just off-season chatter. Salaam is on the depth chart as the starter. Bob also has McKinney working at G with Hodg stilling 2nd at C which is also not reflected on the depth chart, does not comport with Kubiak's statements nor some of the clips the Texans have had where McKinney has been shown at C. Where have you seen McKinney working?
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Have you seen Bob out there? Not sure he is reporting anything he has actually seen or just off-season chatter. Salaam is on the depth chart as the starter. Bob also has McKinney working at G with Hodg stilling 2nd at C which is also not reflected on the depth chart, does not comport with Kubiak's statements nor some of the clips the Texans have had where McKinney has been shown at C. Where have you seen McKinney working?
The practice on NFLN last night McKinney was playing left guard with the ones. What's up with that? Where was Pitts? Yesterday the ones looked like this:
LT- Salaam
LG- McKinney
C- Flanagan
RG- Weary
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A few comments on the article that haven't already been mentioned:

1. The Texans did not run a Denver zone blocking scheme last year, and from what I heard from my media friends, Sherman would get upset if someone said they were doing that. They ran a bit of a mixed scheme last year, and McKinney on 610 said they will be doing more of that this year. Very complicated he said.

2. This year, Kubiak said they are going to be opening up the playbook more, and that the playbook is changing because it is going to be a combined Sherman and Kubiak scheme. There were comments that Ahman Green was ahead of all the other running backs because he already knew the Sherman terminology.

The question will be--can the Texans offense learn the playbook well enough that they are playing and not thinking too much. Where the plays are second nature. All teams have that issue to some degree, but the Texans more so because of new QB and not that many players that are VERY familiar with the system.

To me, how the Sherman-Kubiak offense is, the coaching side of things, is the interesting offensive story Kubiak year 2.
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I watched the NFL Network mini-camp special on the Texans last night, and I rewound a few of the plays to check out who was in there, and also to watch both the defense and the offense. It's hard to concentrate or focus on both sides of the ball at once. Mckinney was definetely working at first team LG, and Salaam was for sure at LT. I have no idea where Pitts was. It might have simply been an excused absence, so I don't want to read too much into it, but I don't recall seeing Pitts anywhere.

A couple of real quick observations, and take it fwiw, because I saw a handful of plays without pads via the TV, so lol, it's not worth a lot - but here is what I noticed - It's apparent that Schaub gets rid of that ball in a hurry, and knows where he is going with it. On one play, two guys were really pressuring him, and he quickly found his checkdown and delivered it on target. Once he plants his back foot, that ball is gone. I see very little in the way of indecision on his part.

Green looks like the real deal, and had a couple of nice plays where he made one cut and was gone. Dayne and Gado also had some nice plays. I couldn't really see the WR's real well, but they did run a reverse for Jacoby Jones, so look for that somewhere down the road.

On D, it looked to me like Omobi has a really quick first step. It's hard to tell for sure with no pads, but I think he has a very bright future. I still saw Mario get tied up and not dominate and just be pushed out of the play, but again, no pads, so let's see what happens. But, Okoye definetely looks to have a quicker first step.

Lastly, they had an interview with Schaub. A really nice moment was when they asked him what the strength of the offense is. My jaw dropped open when he said the offensive line. He was really pumping them up, and saying what a a great unit it is, and that he is looking forward to working with them. I LOVED the way he came off at that moment. I hate to use the L word, but that was real leadership. Instead of tearing down the unit, he was really lifting them up. This line is going to want to block for this man! That 30 seconds was worth the whole hour to me, and was worth the price of admission.
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Thanks for the recap, Porky. But inquiring minds want to know: did it look like they were having fun out there?

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They ran a bit of a mixed scheme last year, and McKinney on 610 said they will be doing more of that this year. Very complicated he said.
hmmmmm...I'm not going to rain on anyone's parade, but I've shared your concerns about the inability to hide plays last year, which was a result of our blocking schemes. Hopefully they are not overthinking and trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole by combining offensive philosophies. Obviously, these are just my thoughts and are worth a grain of salt.
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It's apparent that Schaub gets rid of that ball in a hurry, and knows where he is going with it. On one play, two guys were really pressuring him, and he quickly found his checkdown and delivered it on target. Once he plants his back foot, that ball is gone. I see very little in the way of indecision on his part.
If that carries through to the season that would be big help - I think he'll have many opportunities to make quick decisions. Getting some positive yardage out of theose situations would be huge for the offense.
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I think he'll have many opportunities to make quick decisions. Getting some positive yardage out of theose situations would be huge for the offense.
lol.. thats the nicest back-handed compliment/ positive spin of an o-line ive ever seen
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They ran a combination of inside-outside zone (Denver base) and power-counter (old GB base) last year. This year they will run more of the power counter stuff but will still do the zone stretch and the boots and play actions that feed off it. You can recognize the power-counter stuff by watching for a pulling guard and misdirection out of the I. The zone stuff is pretty straightforward (cutback) style. You will see Schaub drive deep into the backfield with the handoffs on power and counter, and you will also see him carry out bootleg motion after the handoff - and actually keep it on play actions and nakeds once in a while to keep things honest.

And I seriously doubt that Jordan Black has been pencilled in as anything other than 1 of 9.

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nothing too new or anything.. just another offseason read- never realised that black was pencilled in as our lt over salaam though if spencer isnt back
Last year Wand was penciled in as the starting LT almost until the start of the season, so I think the idea is that the starting LT position is up for battle. Black or Salaam could take it at any time. Not sure which one I'd prefer though. Kinda pick your poison.
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Have you seen Bob out there? Not sure he is reporting anything he has actually seen or just off-season chatter. Salaam is on the depth chart as the starter. Bob also has McKinney working at G with Hodg stilling 2nd at C which is also not reflected on the depth chart, does not comport with Kubiak's statements nor some of the clips the Texans have had where McKinney has been shown at C. Where have you seen McKinney working?
I don't know that I'd recognize him if I did see him. As for McKinney and Hodgdon, McKinney worked exclusively at backup C in the practices I saw and Hodgdon was a backup OG.
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I'm really surprised Hodgdon hasn't been cut already. I hate to be down on any Texan, but I haven't seen anything positive from that guy the last two seasons. With Flanagan, McKinney, Lucas, White, and a potential to play Studdard at C, the Hod doesn't have a prayer. And I don't see how he cracks Pitts, Weary, McKinney, Studdard at G--especially if you can play Black, or Tavo Tupola in at G as well as T.
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They ran a combination of inside-outside zone (Denver base) and power-counter (old GB base) last year. This year they will run more of the power counter stuff but will still do the zone stretch and the boots and play actions that feed off it. You can recognize the power-counter stuff by watching for a pulling guard and misdirection out of the I. The zone stuff is pretty straightforward (cutback) style. You will see Schaub drive deep into the backfield with the handoffs on power and counter, and you will also see him carry out bootleg motion after the handoff - and actually keep it on play actions and nakeds once in a while to keep things honest.

And I seriously doubt that Jordan Black has been pencilled in as anything other than 1 of 9.

AJ, I'm curious for your point of view on this. What do you think of the prospects of this hybrid working well? Where it won't be so obvious at the line when the Texans are running.

To me, last year, the offense looked like a continuous experiment, almost like a long preseason--and a complete segregation between the run and pass game.
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AJ, I'm curious for your point of view on this. What do you think of the prospects of this hybrid working well? Where it won't be so obvious at the line when the Texans are running.

To me, last year, the offense looked like a continuous experiment, almost like a long preseason--and a complete segregation between the run and pass game.
TC, I agree ....... there was no synergy in the offense last year between the run and pass or just from one play to the next. Many will blame it all on you know who but, I'm not so sure about all that....... How about you?
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TC, I agree ....... there was no synergy in the offense last year between the run and pass or just from one play to the next. Many will blame it all on you know who but, I'm not so sure about all that....... How about you?
I don't know. Of course, it is hard to get your offense working well when apparently your quarterback is struggling with his reads and his decision making. That being said, the one who shall not be named is not the one responsible for the atrocious running game that plagued a good part of the season. For the beginning of the season, that guy performed despite an absolutely embarrassing running game.

I truly hope everything can be pinned on ocho viejo, and that the scheme that they are unveiling this year is going to work. That it really is something tailored to suit the offense's strengths, and doesn't telegraph run or pass.

It is not something that we will know for sure until we see it in action. There were just so few times where we saw a Texans offense without TOWSNBN. I have feelings that what we are going to see is going to be surprisingly good or surprisingly awful. In other words, I have no idea but I can't wait to see it. A healthy Green would certainly help.
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TC, I agree ....... there was no synergy in the offense last year between the run and pass or just from one play to the next. Many will blame it all on you know who but, I'm not so sure about all that....... How about you?
I know what you mean, as usual many have blamed it on the O-Line when it was really you know who. Now he is gone.
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I think you blame the offense on alot last year. He who shall not be named. The OL. The injury bug. The new coaching staff. The running game. The bottom line is it was s disaster from the start. I don't think if you got rid of one factor that the others would pick up the slack. If someone else was under center the ol woul have still been horrible. If the ol was better the coaching would have been still trying to get their act together. Our offense was what it was last year. It was the result of poor drafting, the inability to build a competent line, a new coaching staff, a gun shy QB and a poor running game.

This year we come in with a poor recieving corps (other than the obvious) and questions on OL at QB and RB.

Can Green stay healthy. Does Matt adjust and learn the book quickly. Do Sherman and Kubes iron out the kinks in the game plan. Does Spencer come back or Black play adequately at T in his absence. It can't possibly be as bad as it was last year. But that's what I told myself last year too.

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