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Old 05-29-2007   #21
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don't seem to have the same versatility.
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You're kidding right ?
He's talking about kicking and punting returns and Bush had zero kick returns last year.
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He's talking about kicking and punting returns and Bush had zero kick returns last year.
If you're judging their ability to do it from the amount of KR's then Ginn shouldn't be on the "outstanding" list because he's had the same amount of KR's in the NFL as Reggie...

IMHO, I don't see how you come to the conclusion that Reggie doesn't have the "versatility" to return kick-offs...I think it's fairly obvious that he does...

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If you're judging their ability to do it from the amount of KR's then Ginn shouldn't be on the "outstanding" list because he's had the same amount of KR's in the NFL as Reggie has...
Oh, get serious-the point isn't the number zero it is that Bush's coaches looked at his style and decided not to use him on kick returns. By the reports so far, Ginn's coaches are planning on using him for both.
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Oh, get serious-the point isn't the number zero it is that Bush's coaches looked at his style and decided not to use him on kick returns.
Really ?

Do you have a link, because honestly I'd be interested in reading that...

I thought maybe it had something to do with the fact that he was already the back-up RB, a punt returner and slot reciever....I thought they just didn't want to wear him out....

Either way, I still think it's non sense to say he doesn't have the versatility to return kick-offs...that seems rather silly IMO....I mean, who actually looks at RB and says to themselves "I'd hate to have that guy returning kicks for me, he'd be terrible" ???
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He tried punts before, and wasn't that good at it. PR guys tend to be quicker, shiftier, and usually have a smaller stature. KR tend to have more height/size and straight line footspeed. Some guys can do both, but many teams have a different PR and KR. In this case, putting Mathis at PR seems to be putting a square peg into a round hole, especially since they tried it, and it failed once.
I don't recall them trying that, but then again I don't read everything out there so I'lll take your word. The only thing is you say they tried and it failed, but isn't that the case with him at WR too?
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And now Mathis will miss this week of OTA's to be with his family since his father died on Saturday.
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I mean, who actually looks at RB and says to themselves "I'd hate to have that guy returning kicks for me, he'd be terrible" ???
Well, he DOES wear Tony Hollings' old number, so if you're not watching a game closely, one could make that mistake...until you realized that the #25 in question didn't fumble as soon as someone brushed up against him.

I feel like we're back to the old JJ Moses argument. Here's a guy with special teams talent but almost no pro talent at WR. There are differences, too: JJ had short-range skills but couldn't break the long return. Mathis has insane speed but Domanick Davis-like reliability.

By the time camp's over, we'll have a good idea of whether the next JJ (Jones) can be the speed guy, which may make Mathis expendable. But competition at other roster spots could (and I believe will) bring this down to a numbers game. You don't lightly cut a Pro Bowler with game-changing ability, but if someone's excelling at another position and Mathis is headed PUPward again, I think he's gone. Let's face it: if he's not on the active roster, it's not a hard choice to make.

I love to watch the guy, and I hope he's back this season.
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Maybe Kubiak needs to have Mathis start fielding punts then. I would think it would be an easier than having him learn the whole WR position.
I thought he had a problem holding on to the ball as a punt returner, IIRC.

It's a different mentality catching kick returns without the pressure of coverage.
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Really ?

Do you have a link, because honestly I'd be interested in reading that...

I thought maybe it had something to do with the fact that he was already the back-up RB, a punt returner and slot reciever....I thought they just didn't want to wear him out....

Either way, I still think it's non sense to say he doesn't have the versatility to return kick-offs...that seems rather silly IMO....I mean, who actually looks at RB and says to themselves "I'd hate to have that guy returning kicks for me, he'd be terrible" ???

Bush was a decent return man in college but was certainly overhyped in that department. Good PR, not so much at KR. his kick return #'s are rather pedestrian actually....

and i still remember that opening kickoff in the 2005 championship game when he got plastered on the 10 yard line.


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Really ?

Do you have a link, because honestly I'd be interested in reading that...

I thought maybe it had something to do with the fact that he was already the back-up RB, a punt returner and slot reciever....I thought they just didn't want to wear him out....

Either way, I still think it's non sense to say he doesn't have the versatility to return kick-offs...that seems rather silly IMO....I mean, who actually looks at RB and says to themselves "I'd hate to have that guy returning kicks for me, he'd be terrible" ???
wow, did you fall flat out in love at first sight with RB or did it develop over time lol
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Bush was a decent return man in college but was certainly overhyped in that department. Good PR, not so much at KR. his kick return #'s are rather pedestrian actually....

and i still remember that opening kickoff in the 2005 championship game when he got plastered on the 10 yard line.


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You're confused....

I never said RB was a great Kick returner...I never even said he was above average...In fact I never said anything relating to how good he was at it...

The question was whether he had the versatility to do it...I'm not going to continue on with this in this thread, but IMHO it's rather asanine to say RB doesn't have the "versatility" to return kick offs...be for real...
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Bush was a decent return man in college but was certainly overhyped in that department. Good PR, not so much at KR. his kick return #'s are rather pedestrian actually....
It's my fault for mentioning Bush's name, but since I have, I can't help but mention how I marvel at his continued hype on ESPN. I thought it would cool off with a new rookie class entering the league and the novelty of his rookie year and entrance into the league being very old news by now.
You mentioned his college career. Well his cross town rival at UCLA, Maurice Drew-Jones, had a better rookie year than Bush as all know and is a more complete player, and he rarely gets mentioned by the media. His own teammate, Marques Colson, also had a better rookie year but his name usually doesn't pop-up in a conversation about the Saints and their upcoming season. Certainly no where within light-years of Bush's hype.
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You're confused....

I never said RB was a great Kick returner...I never even said he was above average...In fact I never said anything relating to how good he was at it...

The question was whether he had the versatility to do it...I'm not going to continue on with this in this thread, but IMHO it's rather asanine to say RB doesn't have the "versatility" to return kick offs...be for real...

I sorta read it as he was goot at returning. Seems to me there isnt much difference but I guess there is one. You are right, he does have the combination of shiftiness and speed to get out of jams and break the long one but somehoe his vision just doesnt translate in the kick return game.


Im sure you could find someone less "versatile" then RB to return your kicks, thats for sure
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I thought this RB stuff ended around here the moment the Texans passed on him ?!?


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I thought he had a problem holding on to the ball as a punt returner, IIRC.

It's a different mentality catching kick returns without the pressure of coverage.
As far as I recall, the PR experience he got was during the start of his NFL career, hence the nervousness (sp).

The way I look at it, IF we can get Mathis to do both PR's and KR's, why have him do anything else? I'm guessing that a team punts and kicks around 8-10 times during a game, and if the same players recieves them all, I'm guessing we're fairly close to the average amount of receptions a reciever gets during a game.
So, call Mathis a return reciever and he'll be likely to produce at least as many yards as most other recievers on the team, and if that is not worth a roster spot, I don't know what is.

That is, if he's healthy and if he now has the return experience to be able to do PR's too.
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As far as I recall, the PR experience he got was during the start of his NFL career, hence the nervousness (sp).

The way I look at it, IF we can get Mathis to do both PR's and KR's, why have him do anything else? I'm guessing that a team punts and kicks around 8-10 times during a game, and if the same players recieves them all, I'm guessing we're fairly close to the average amount of receptions a reciever gets during a game.
So, call Mathis a return reciever and he'll be likely to produce at least as many yards as most other recievers on the team, and if that is not worth a roster spot, I don't know what is.

That is, if he's healthy and if he now has the return experience to be able to do PR's too.
I dont think its a matter of experience for Mathis, his skills are speed and vision, wich doesnt help hardly at all on punt returns, you need to be able to take a hit, break tackles, elude pursuit(agility). you have to be a much more physical type for punts. IMHO

DB/WR usually do best at KR, RB's and physical WR's usually do better at PR.
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I dont think its a matter of experience for Mathis, his skills are speed and vision, wich doesnt help hardly at all on punt returns, you need to be able to take a hit, break tackles, elude pursuit(agility). you have to be a much more physical type for punts. IMHO

DB/WR usually do best at KR, RB's and physical WR's usually do better at PR.
You might be right, but even with the KRs alone, one could argue that that's enough yards to justify a spot?
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i hope mathis gets heathly and gets some time on the offense cause with speed like his.. he could do some amazing things... and have yall seen him at the OTA's with the dark visor.... looks tight
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i hope mathis gets heathly and gets some time on the offense cause with speed like his.. he could do some amazing things... and have yall seen him at the OTA's with the dark visor.... looks tight
Visor may be great but he needs to be on the field and that ain't happening til TC.
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