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Old 05-24-2007   #1
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You can probably make the case that the Texans had a good draft but personally I would have done a lot of things differently which is why I am giving them such a poor grade. Okoye will be a major upgrade for them and the two defensive backs could make an impact but once again they failed to add a top left tackle and I just don't think Jacoby Jones will be able to make the kind of impact they need for him to make. After years of getting David Carr killed behind a terrible offensive line the Texans seem to be setting up an even less mobile Matt Schaub for the same fate and to compound matters he won't have many offensive weapons to work with. We will see how it all shakes out but I have a feeling that Houston will once again be choosing very early when the 2008 NFL Draft rolls around.

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Can't really agree with this since it seems based mostly off our not selecting an OT early in the draft. After the top two OTs were picked there didn't really seem to be any left that would have provided a significant upgrade to what we already have, so I am glad that we didn't reach for a OT that only had potential to be a backup. Also didn't give any credit for essentially getting Schuab in the 2nd. I personally thought we could have gone a different route with some of our picks, but am not disappointed with what we came out with. Thought this draft would warrant a C+ minimum.

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As stated by others on earlier threads, last season's draft did not cause most to celebrate late into the night; but that one turned out pretty well imo.
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Can't really agree with this since it seems based mostly off our not selecting an OT early in the draft. After the top two OTs were picked there didn't really seem to be any left that would have provided a significant upgrade to what we already have, so I am glad that we didn't reach for a OT that only had potential to be a backup.
Joe Staley was the obvious option the Texans had, but decided against.
I would make the argument that the Cards, in real need of a LT (RT for them with lefty Leinert), made a reach for L.Brown at #5 overall. Would taking Staley at #10 been more of a reach ? I dunno, but its debabeable.
And its very likely that the Texans could have traded back in the 1st, got another first day pick and still could have taken Staley, thereby permitting them to have their cake and eat it to IMO.
Why did they take Okoye instead ? We will probably never know the full inside story, just like we'll probably never know the full inside story for last years #1 pick.
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Yawn. Just more regurgitation of the same old stuff. If he had an independent thought of his own, it would probably be his first.
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So, the reason for this guy's grade is the Texans didn't draft a left tackle and reached on Jacoby Jones in the 3rd round.

Franchise LTs are not in abundant supply, and a majority of the league has issues with that position and stability. It seems to me a draft grade should be about what you did, not what you didn't do!

Every team is going to have holes on their roster, that's why your "Star Players" that make the most money that counts against your cap make up the difference and make those average players better.

IMO, if the Texans still continue to have the same problems on offense, it's probably more systematic of the entire offensive roster and coaching than just blaming the LT position. There are just too many moving parts in the offense to lay blame on just one person, with the exception of the QB and the person calling the plays/developing the game plan.

Having a great QB and offensive coordinator = success.

Having a great LT doesn't mean jack squat!
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Joe Staley was the obvious option the Texans had, but decided against.
I would make the argument that the Cards, in real need of a LT (RT for them with lefty Leinert), made a reach for L.Brown at #5 overall. Would taking Staley at #10 been more of a reach ? I dunno, but its debabeable.
And its very likely that the Texans could have traded back in the 1st, got another first day pick and still could have taken Staley, thereby permitting them to have their cake and eat it to IMO.
Why did they take Okoye instead ? We will probably never know the full inside story, just like we'll probably never know the full inside story for last years #1 pick.
I understand that Okoye @ 10 was more valuable than Staley at a later pick in first round. Also, management may be happy with what we have at LT and the possiblity of Spencer coming back. Even if he makes it back by mid season it would be great. Salaam and Black should be able to hold it until then at least.
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Why did they take Okoye instead ? We will probably never know the full inside story, just like we'll probably never know the full inside story for last years #1 pick.
perhaps they think Staley isn't much better than Black, Salaam and Spencer as a rookie...and why have 4 LT's on the roster if Spencer will be back sometime this year? Salaam played pretty well last year in place of Spencer...most of our problems came from RT and center...and the RT position became more and more stable as the year progressed as Kubiak stated that Winston was the most improved lineman on the team from camp. Perhaps they didn't "reach for need" in the first round. I consider that a plus.
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So, the reason for this guy's grade is the Texans didn't draft a left tackle and reached on Jacoby Jones in the 3rd round.
Doesn't he have Jacoby Jones in his top 100 players about 10 positions back from where we picked him? How is that a big reach? And didn't we get Bennet almost a full round past where he had him graded? At least he granted that was a possible steal.

At the end he says that people could argue that it was a good draft. He just expects us to keep sucking so we could have picked pretty much anyone (except doing EXACTLY what he would have done in our shoes) and he would have given us a bad grade.
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I was watching Floyd Reese before the draft. He said one of the mistakes he/his team had made in the past was reaching down and pulling a guy up in the draft to fill a need. He said that is a mistake. Glad the Texans see it that way too.
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NFL Countdown is ok I guess for a free service & the novice person interested in draft fodder but they hold very little weight with me anymore. in fact they are the ones who would be lucky to get a C-

in regards to peoples evaluation of the left tackles thats completely open to debate. I happen to be a huge Levi Brown supporter for those who think otherwise, you my friend, are in for a rude awakening as I expect big improvement in Arizona this year.

another thing, trading down when you have the opportunity to add elite talent is plain stupid & will get you run like Casserly. AMOBI OKOYE is an awesome draft pick @ #10, add to that Schaub a franchise QB ready to start in the NFL is a more devastating one/two punch than Thomas/Quinn & all the hub-bub Cleveland got for those picks (I'm not going to even look up what those countdown guys grade is for them) all I know is that I would'nt trade what the Texans did for their draft anyday. so we still owe our 2nd next year to Atlanta they owe their #1 pick to Dallas, very nice
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However, in my opinion I'm not so sure they wouldn't have been better off trading down a bit to recoup some of the picks they lost in the Matt Schaub deal (a potential trade with Denver had been rumored) and taking Joe Staley to address their long-standing problem at left tackle.
If this guy is basing his grade on this tenet, as it appears, then I can understand where he's coming from. That's a very defensible position. Taking Staley at #10 would have been a reach, for sure, but trading back to get him and another pick would certainly have been a valid move. Of course, you have to have a trade partner, but with Okoye there at #10, I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't have traded with us, especially with the amount of trading that occurred. Whether or not Staley is a prospect worth doing that for is another argument, and a lot more questionable. But I can understand the grade and the article, if that's where he's coming from. Many people here on this board were clamoring for a trade-down anyway.
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perhaps they think Staley isn't much better than Black, Salaam and Spencer as a rookie...and why have 4 LT's on the roster if Spencer will be back sometime this year? Salaam played pretty well last year in place of Spencer...most of our problems came from RT and center...and the RT position became more and more stable as the year progressed as Kubiak stated that Winston was the most improved lineman on the team from camp. Perhaps they didn't "reach for need" in the first round. I consider that a plus.
These were my thougths as well. Agree 100%
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Doesn't he have Jacoby Jones in his top 100 players about 10 positions back from where we picked him? How is that a big reach? And didn't we get Bennet almost a full round past where he had him graded? At least he granted that was a possible steal.

At the end he says that people could argue that it was a good draft. He just expects us to keep sucking so we could have picked pretty much anyone (except doing EXACTLY what he would have done in our shoes) and he would have given us a bad grade.
There was a run of WR's in the draft and the highest graded WR at the time the Texans were up (according to the mocksperts) was Jason Hill from Washington state. 3 WR's were drafted before he was....so I guess my take on this is....the draftnick guys have an opinion...but apparently the teams graded the players different than the mockspurts.

9 73 Jacoby Jones Texans WR Lane
10 74 Yamon Figurs Ravens WR Kansas State
11 75 Laurent Robinson Falcons WR Illinois State
12 76 Jason Hill 49ers WR Washington State
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perhaps they think Staley isn't much better than Black, Salaam and Spencer as a rookie..
I dunno, but I also think that is definitely one of the most likely explanations for the Texans Draft Day behavior, but there are several others to be sure.
Dang, what would you give to see the Texans Draft Board, even after the fact ? I would really like to know how the Texans ranked the individuals in this Draft ?
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If this guy is basing his grade on this tenet, as it appears, then I can understand where he's coming from. That's a very defensible position. Taking Staley at #10 would have been a reach, for sure, but trading back to get him and another pick would certainly have been a valid move. Of course, you have to have a trade partner, but with Okoye there at #10, I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't have traded with us, especially with the amount of trading that occurred. Whether or not Staley is a prospect worth doing that for is another argument, and a lot more questionable. But I can understand the grade and the article, if that's where he's coming from. Many people here on this board were clamoring for a trade-down anyway.
anytime you trade back it better be for a group of guys you like and if you trade back for one specific guy, chances are someone will leapfrog you. Trading back in the draft with an eye on one guy isn't smart. Kinda like what the 49ers did to the Ravens (rumor was they wanted Staley).
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anytime you trade back it better be for a group of guys you like and if you trade back for one specific guy, chances are someone will leapfrog you. Trading back in the draft with an eye on one guy isn't smart. Kinda like what the 49ers did to the Ravens (rumor was they wanted Staley).
Agreed. And I like Okoye a LOT. I posted my top 5 prior to the draft, and I said I liked Okoye over Levi Brown, when I have said repeatedly that the O-line needs work. I don't know that Staley would have been the solution at LT anyway, and I don't know that they had enough other players they hoped to target in that range to justify a trade-down. I was just saying I can kind of see why he graded the way he did. None of these grades matter one whit anyway, once the hittin' starts.
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NFL Countdown is ok I guess for a free service & the novice person interested in draft fodder but they hold very little weight with me anymore. in fact they are the ones who would be lucky to get a C-
Same here, I check it out occasionally, but take it with a grain of salt. Has anyone else noticed that he puts the same problems for alot of players at similar positions? For example, just about every WR he wrote a profile on "needs to run better routes", or all the OL prospects "need to get stronger".
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However, in my opinion I'm not so sure they wouldn't have been better off trading down a bit to recoup some of the picks they lost in the Matt Schaub deal (a potential trade with Denver had been rumored) and taking Joe Staley to address their long-standing problem at left tackle.
How many opinions does this guy have? He has Okoye rated the 10th best player in the draft. That's where the Texans selected him. No offensive tackles available were close to that ranking. So he suggests the Texans make a trade down that did not exist to take a player who may not have been available.

Proof that you can criticize anything, if you are so inclined. Any other team brought home the Texans draft, and he'd be shouting hosannas. Until further notice (or a winning season), the Texans are the league's whipping boys. Get used to it.
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perhaps they think Staley isn't much better than Black, Salaam and Spencer as a rookie...and why have 4 LT's on the roster if Spencer will be back sometime this year? Salaam played pretty well last year in place of Spencer...most of our problems came from RT and center...and the RT position became more and more stable as the year progressed as Kubiak stated that Winston was the most improved lineman on the team from camp. Perhaps they didn't "reach for need" in the first round. I consider that a plus.
My thoughts also. People keep saying correctly that Salaam is not the long time answer, yet he does not have to be. He did very well last year and now should get some quality relief that might help him play even better. IMO LT is his until he is beaten out by another. I am focusing more on center for now.
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