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Old 11-01-2004   #61
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Yes a DE such as like in a 4-3 so you still have two tackles, with him and peek on the two ends (just like he does normally in the 3-4). That replaces one of the bigger lineman who arent as fast and allows peek, babin and Wong to rush the QB in an obvious pass situation. Doesnt seem too stupid of an idea
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he may get up field too much, true, but if he had a couple of plays that sets up the spin move. What we need is peek to get more than one play so he can set up his moves, and we also need babin to try moving up field to set up his spin. And you cant say that peek would not be able to get some pressure on a QB. And you cant deny that they would be good to have out there all together putting some pressure
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You dogged Babin on another one of your forums for using the spin move, now you say Peek should use it?
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Old 11-01-2004   #64
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once again a misquote by you. i dogged babin using it on almost every pass rush. i never said he shouldnt use it. I said he needs to mix it up to set up the spin. If you noticed their tackle by later in teh game was sitting there waiting for the spin back inside and thats why it wasnt effective. and if you read what i just said before i said peek needs to use the spin because he goes straight up field too much. so it looks mostly like an equal criticism for the both of them, and i dont remember ever saying that they should both only use one move. once again i guess im ignorant for thinking people should try multiple moves, and call me crazy for thinking that there were things such as set up moves
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I also believe that in practice they probably work on teaching hand movements to get off blockers, i am sure he has these moves and he should use them. He was a DE and i am sure he was good at them in college. He needs to use it.
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Quote by you from another forum. So I misquoted? Exactly.
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Once again, it has been ineffective because its all he is using. maybe not a misQUOTE but a misinterpretation. I am jsut interested to see if you can honestly say that you disagree that he needs to mix up his moves?
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No I don't think that, and I am sure if the coaches did, they would have him working on other moves.
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you are saying that someone in the NFL can pass rush by doing one move? are you kidding me. once again, watch the tape he does a spin on 75% of his rushes. not even a stutter step outside or inside and break the other way.
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If you are such an expert on the subject why are you not coaching on our defensive staff? This is my last post on this topic. IF OUR COACHES THOUGHT IT WAS A PROBLEM OR BABIN WAS A PROBLEM THEY WOULD HAVE BENCHED HIM OR CORRECTED THE PROBLEM BY NOW.
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This isnt really a conversation we should bother with considering Babin not only a rookie but changing positions completely . Give the guy a season or maybe two before you say he's a complete bust or a wasted pick. He's gotten better as the season has progressed in both his containment assignments and in coverage not to mention in Sunday's game against the cats he did get good pressure on byron many times......
You cant really grade a player in his first season out of the draft most players take 2-3 years to get up to NFL speed . He's started from Day One.

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once again, did not say on this post that he is a complete bust, i said he will be good. and once again i made an observation about one thing. its ridiculous trying to have an argument/discussion about one thing if no one has responded to the actual point of overuse of a move.
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if it ain't broke, dont fix it.

our defense has been playing great. no need for any changes.
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didnt run too well at him? they only ran 10 times. I bash him because there is no excuse for giving up on a pash rush. and if you watched he really didnt collapse the pocket that well, and yes i do say this every week because it happens every week. call me a babin hater or whatever else but as long as i see him giving up on plays before they are over there is not going to be any respect from me, no excuse to stopping during a play with your back to the ball that many times.
And it was 10 times for like 21 yards. They didnt run much because they basically couldnt. You know what that means? Babin was good in run D. He will get a hang of rushing the QB just give him time. Whens the last time you were just able to run around a 6 and a half foot 300+ lb Offensive Tackle? You see giving up, I see him fighting his guts out.
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Why should I take George Washington seriousely. Heck at well over 200 years old, you can't see, and you have senility. Why am I even responding. Go ask Ben for some bi-focals. Maybe you'll be able to see the plays better.

Now, as to the pertinent question, here is the answer. Peek cannot play the run. He can't contain on the outside, and cannot shed the blocker to make a tackle on the RB turning the corner. If you can't play the run, you can't play in a Caper's 3-4. Babin has held containment very well imo, especially for a rookie learning a new position. If you expected Babin to play like a well seasoned Keving Greene in his very first season learning a new position, then your expections need to get rearranged in your cerebial vortex. Go ask Adams or Madison what that means.
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Im tired of all this Babin is improving talk. Did anyone watch him today, his pass rush is terrible. He got pressure twice, once Byron completed a 20 yard pass still, and the other time he wiffed and missed a sack. And if you watch the tackle even cheated by letting him get a step high because everytime he rolled back to the inside. And half of the spins he stopped halfway around and just stood there with his back to the ball. He made one good open field tackle, but most of the time he is just standing around. You cant really be improving much when you dont do anything. He is very over rated.

Hes a Rookie and Hes not Terrell Suggs (That LB is going to be one of the BEST LOLB to ever play the game) But he is going to get better he is just getting a hang at LB and he is just try to adjust to the NFL play..
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Stating someone doesnt know what they are talking about is a personal attack, by definition it is attacking them and their opinions.
Man please. He didn't call you an *****, nor did anyone insult your religion, sexual persuassion, ethnicity, politics. Lighten up. I sure as hell think you are way off in your critisism, but that doesn't mean Babin or anyother player should be criticized. Babin is a project, an experiment if you will, but hasn't shown me that he'll be a bust. Patience grasshopper. Patience.
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Hes a Rookie and Hes not Terrell Suggs (That LB is going to be one of the BEST LOLB to ever play the game) But he is going to get better he is just getting a hang at LB and he is just try to adjust to the NFL play..
You know Andre, I think that's the issue for some of us (me for sure). I remember reading so much about Suggs last year because we were real close
to taking him, atleast in the preliminary stages of the draft analysis. But as you probably recall, his workouts (particularly 40 times) were very disappointing and that was very instrumental in us passing on him. And then when he went to play for the Ravens, it turned out that he was the "real deal". And we have been so needing a steller pass rusher at OLB. And then we drafted Babin, and in a controversial style by
paying such a premium price to the Titans for him. Especially when many feel we could have patiently waited with our 2 round pick and found him on the board when our turn came around. I guess I figured he would be
the explosive, dominant edge rusher that Suggs turned out to be very early in his NFL career - and Jason is not that. I just gotta lower my expectations.
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5 things I think about #93.

1. Sure open field tackler.

2. Nice containment.

3. Keeps a cool head. *cough* PEEK *cough*

4. Has a good motor, and gives 100%.

5. Is a rookie, and is bound to make mistakes. Give him a chance like we did with everyother rookie. Carr, Gaff, Dunta, and many others.

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You know Andre, I think that's the issue for some of us (me for sure). I remember reading so much about Suggs last year because we were real close
to taking him, atleast in the preliminary stages of the draft analysis. But as you probably recall, his workouts (particularly 40 times) were very disappointing and that was very instrumental in us passing on him. And then when he went to play for the Ravens, it turned out that he was the "real deal". And we have been so needing a steller pass rusher at OLB. And then we drafted Babin, and in a controversial style by
paying such a premium price to the Titans for him. Especially when many feel we could have patiently waited with our 2 round pick and found him on the board when our turn came around. I guess I figured he would be
the explosive, dominant edge rusher that Suggs turned out to be very early in his NFL career - and Jason is not that. I just gotta lower my expectations.
Thanks for seeing it like that man, But look who we got, the best WR taken in years from what I can see. AJ will continue to show us why we took him third in the draft.. Terrell suggs is awesome and they both would have done us great but I know we did the right thing in taking AJ.
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