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Old 10-31-2004   #21
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I think georgewashington is the troll that sits 3 rows behind me in the south endzone complaining about the play calling the entire game. He has obviously never played anything other than Madden football his entire life. Too bad Bud Adams didn't take these guys with him.
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Babin will be fine. Man I remember all the Carr haters. You have to give people time to develop.



yeah what are all those carr haters saying now "oh he's a good young QB i always knew he'd do good.
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Old 10-31-2004   #23
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Babin is a young guy, but you should of watched the Raider game and the Titan game. J.Babin was intense on those games. You cant just judge him on one game. Go have a look and see.
Yes go back to those games, he had one tackle against Tennessee adn three in oakland. Not to stellar. I think you have all blown his impact out of proportion.
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Wong had 34 tackles and 5.5 sacks on the strong side OLB his first year here starting all 16 games. That is the same side Babin is on. It takes time, and the OLB will not get the majority of the tackles in this defense, but you need to understand that to grasp that.
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We all know, atleast we should by now, that Mr. Washington is a Peek homer; and will only be happy when Peek starts in front of Babin. This is gettign rather old, tired and starting to wear realy thin.
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I think you have all blown his impact out of proportion.
29 "Bash Babin" posts out of 39 total. I don't think you're the guy to hand out admonitions on proportionality.

We get it. You like Peek and wish he'd play over Babin. Can you wait until another game when the Texans don't allow a TD to bring this up again?
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I keep an eye on Babin and Robertson on most plays when the defense is on the field. I've seen alot of improvement on his part, and one play in particular stands out. He forced Leftwich out of the pocket into the middle only to be sacked by Sharper. That sack wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the pressure from Babin. I guess it's all in how you wish to perceive his progress, but overall, I believe him to be a good pick. He could loose the tats though...hehe
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Ever heard of containment???

Babins job is to contain. Wong has more levereage to blitz all out, Babin does not. Babin would get burned of he did a full spin move on every play. George has no clue as to what is goes into making a good LOLB. From what I saw today, and I watch Babin pretty closely, was that he is getting pretty good pressure and flushing out the QB consistantly. Teams are not running on him that is for sure, and that's half his job. The other half he is holding up very well for being a rookie in the 3-4.
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Yes go back to those games, he had one tackle against Tennessee
Yes, PLEASE go back to that game and watch every play again and look at the gamebook and maybe, just maybe, you'll understand why he had just one assist against TN. Well, probably not. I broke down Babin's play against TN on another thread here somewhere...
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To be a little fair to GW, I saw what I think he is refering to in the game. Babin on a couple of plays spun a 1/2 turn and stopped and SEEMED to be watching the play move away from him. Hard to say whether he was doing a contain thing or maybe taking a beather and not persuing. I suspect he was making sure that if the play came back towards him that he could make a play.
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Everyone else voiced so I'll throw in my two cents.

Babin is way ahead of where we all expected him to be. He's shown flashes of greatness and I am excited. While his spin move has worked for big plays. He uses it way to often and it is worthless until he sets it up with a strong rush up the field. Remember late in the game when he got lefty to step up into sharper. That's why he's great but he needs to start with that to set up the spin and I think in other games he has. This Sunday I don't think he worked the Tackle the way he's capable of.
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Yes you are all correct, except that you did not respond to my main point. I said i dont like how he would give up so much on his rushes. and i agree he probably will be good in a few years, but that doesnt mean i have to like the lack of hustle i saw. he did have some good plays today, but thats no reason to stop in the middle of a spin move with your back to the QB who still has the ball.
Enough talk on what he did not do. Remember this is a team sport. What i saw was a out standing game played by the whole defense.
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To be honest I think Babin has been pretty average but I didn't expect much really from him considering it's a new position, his size, etc.

He plays smart and I like that. If the defense plays smart that's really all I care about. Stay in position, make the plays you are suppose to make and good things will happen. And that's what is happening.
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I thought Babin had a good game today.
There is much more to the game then just individual stats. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TEXANS> One heck of a game
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Are we always going to have teams in Houston that keep us on edge until the final second of the game.lol
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Ever heard of containment???
Babins job is to contain.
Containment is part of Babin's job and he has done reasonably well in that
department. As a 3-4 OLB, another big part of his job is penetration as a pass
rusher, and I think maybe that's the focus of George's critisism ? I know its mine. Because of the huge investment the team has made in Babin, they are giving him every chance to succeed and acquire experience. But I'm sure they wouldn't continue playing him if they weren't satisfyed with both his progress and performance.
After all, we are now on the brink of being a playoff contender and the developement of any player(s) is not as important as the team winning and possibly contending for a playoff spot. Nothing is.
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has a hidden agenda here or something personal - maybe Babin's fiance is his HS sweetheart.
More likely he's just argumentative. That's what we do here - argue.
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I also saw Babin take a RB down from behind with one arm. I also saw Taylor not get a whole lot done before the injury because #93 was making some good tackles on him that weren't made last year.
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Texans sack leaders:

Wong 3.5
Babin 2.0
Sharper 2.0
4 tied with 1.0

Babin's fine he just needs time.
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To be a little fair to GW, I saw what I think he is refering to in the game. Babin on a couple of plays spun a 1/2 turn and stopped and SEEMED to be watching the play move away from him. Hard to say whether he was doing a contain thing or maybe taking a beather and not persuing.
I appreciate someone finally admitting to this other than me. Everyone assumes that Im out to get him because of what i said. I stated what i saw. and i agree with the other statement that the forum is meant to be a place to argue. and i believe that many of you have overlooked the fact that i did agree that he made some good plays, including the open field tackles. My point was simply that mulitple times he stopped moving with his back to the ball, and i feel that for such a "high motor" player that this is unacceptable, and honestly there is no way you could say he was just keeping contain because he couldnt see where the play was even going. And it was also nice to see someone else say that he does spin too much without even a set up move. And isnt being able to have differences of opinions and being able to express them what makes this country so great?
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And isnt being able to have differences of opinions and being able to express them what makes this country so great?
So you shouldn't mind when the others dissagree with you then right? Make your case, back it up, and hold your ground if you believe in it. To me it looks like you don't know what you are talking about, but heck, that's just my opinion.
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