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Old 06-04-2007   #81
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I see him going on the PUP list if he is still hurt when the season starts.
Could be - his salary would be insignificant and he wouldn't be taking that roster spot.

And who knows - maybe six more months of recovery would be all he needs to cure his ills.
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I'd suspect that if he misses any time due to injury in the pre-season he will not make the team.

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From Lance Zierlein's blog . . .

What was the deal with Mathis? One radio station is reportedly saying this could be "career ending". Do they really mean that or is that an assessment of the end of Kubiak's patience?

Also, did Brandon Harrison make it in to this week's OTAs?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Harrison isn't set to graduate until the middle of June so he is going to miss OTAs. Mathis' injury isn't career ending... it's just a hamstring. However, it is career-threatening as it pertains to the Texans. I've been saying this since before the draft. Jerome Mathis is going to be a goner. NFL coaches don't put up with guys who don't play or practice.
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From Lance Zierlein's blog . . .

What was the deal with Mathis? One radio station is reportedly saying this could be "career ending". Do they really mean that or is that an assessment of the end of Kubiak's patience?

Also, did Brandon Harrison make it in to this week's OTAs?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Harrison isn't set to graduate until the middle of June so he is going to miss OTAs. Mathis' injury isn't career ending... it's just a hamstring. However, it is career-threatening as it pertains to the Texans. I've been saying this since before the draft. Jerome Mathis is going to be a goner. NFL coaches don't put up with guys who don't play or practice.
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Harrison is graduating from one of the most prestigious universities in the world and is not at the top of the depth chart. Moreover, I would expect that the staff has him doing some work in Palo Alto to stay in shape to be ready for TC. Personally I have no problem with someone finishing up graduating.

As far as Mathis goes I will refer to Donna Summer's song "Last Dance."
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Lance, his name is Wilbur. And, Wilbur is also a kickoff specialist (Kris Brown's kickoffs are the worst).
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I see him going on the PUP list if he is still hurt when the season starts.
I don't think he can go on the PUP list since he is healthy right now and passed his offseason physical. If I remember the rules correctly, you have to fail that initial physical in order to be placed on PUP (why Domanick Davis/Williams couldn't be placed on PUP last year and only Wong and Mathis were since they couldn't pass their initial physical). I could be wrong on that, but I think that's how things work, so Mathis would not be eligible for the PUP list.

As for Eric Wilbur, from what I've seen of him I'm not at all impressed, he seems to be one of the few guys they could have found that is actually worse than Stanley. When Wilbur gets a solid boot on the ball he can outkick Stanley, but I've seen a lot of inconsistency in the few times I've seen him and he mis-kicked a lot of balls, moreso than Stanley. Does anyone know if Stanley is married to Marciano's daughter or something, or is there some other underlying reason why they still haven't been able to find a suitable replacement, there have to be several free agent punters out there that are better than Stanley.
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From today's Chronic:

Kick returner's injury problems source of friction

I'm reading the article and have a WTF moment:

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While unable to practice, Mathis, 5-11 and 184 pounds, is rehabbing his knee and working to return to the field as soon as possible.

"Right now I am just rehabbing every day and doing everything that they tell me to do, like ice treatment and all kinds of different treatments," Mathis said. "I am working on my hamstring with some long stretching (and) individual manual workouts with the trainers."

Despite three years of hamstring problems, Mathis is confident he will be healthy when training camp begins July 27.

Rehabbing knee?????

There's no discussion of knee except that one little paragraph. Is that a mistake or is he also having knee problems?
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Rehabbing knee?????

There's no discussion of knee except that one little paragraph. Is that a mistake or is he also having knee problems?
I don't know what the deal is, either, and frankly . . who cares? It always seems to be something. But it's good to hear from Jerome himself that he knows that he's gone if he doesn't 'get right' by training camp.
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I will believe that when I see it.
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Rehabbing knee?????

There's no discussion of knee except that one little paragraph. Is that a mistake or is he also having knee problems?
That's got to be a mistake. Someone who maybe thinks the hamstring is part of the knee or something. I mean, the hammy does cross the knee joint so it's not a totally unreasonable mistake.
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That's got to be a mistake. Someone who maybe thinks the hamstring is part of the knee or something. I mean, the hammy does cross the knee joint so it's not a totally unreasonable mistake.
I'm not familiar with the writer of that story. The knee thing seemed not to go with the rest of the story nor with any other reports made to date.
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I'm not familiar with the writer of that story. The knee thing seemed not to go with the rest of the story nor with any other reports made to date.
I agree. I read that article at lunch and first thing I say, "Why does Kubes say this injured player has to practice? Does the doctor think JM is faking?" The article said Mathis met with coach for ten minutes and eached voiced their opinion. I would have thought it will not be an issue unless JM can't get on field during pre-season. I realize that others are on team that can return, but do any of them have a pro bowl behind them? Something just does not seem right if this article was factual.
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I agree. I read that article at lunch and first thing I say, "Why does Kubes say this injured player has to practice? Does the doctor think JM is faking?" The article said Mathis met with coach for ten minutes and eached voiced their opinion. I would have thought it will not be an issue unless JM can't get on field during pre-season. I realize that others are on team that can return, but do any of them have a pro bowl behind them? Something just does not seem right if this article was factual.
The tone of the article is a little different than what is on the Texans website. Also, the Texans haven't mention anything about his knee, so I'm thinking that might be a mistake.

I have an email into someone with the Chronic to find out.
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What I want to know ... is what did he do in the off-season to address this hamstring issue. And how he thinks some problem that didn't heal in the 5-6 months he had after the season, will magically heal in the next 3-4 weeks?
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could we get anything for him in a trade? 5th round pick? anything? if so, i say pull the trigger on that one...it's not worth the hassle to keep him around
Sure, be in a hurry to get rid of him because the Texans have playmakers galore on the squad. You see, there's AJ and....
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What I want to know ... is what did he do in the off-season to address this hamstring issue. And how he thinks some problem that didn't heal in the 5-6 months he had after the season, will magically heal in the next 3-4 weeks?

Right on!!! Mathis made a hell of a lot of money being a bench warmer this past year. I wouldn't put it past him to try the same thing again. He's had more than enough time to get a hamstring injury healed, IF he is taking care of himself and taking the process seriously. Enough is enough!!! He's a whiner, cut him and move on!! JMO!
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Right on!!! Mathis made a hell of a lot of money being a bench warmer this past year. I wouldn't put it past him to try the same thing again. He's had more than enough time to get a hamstring injury healed, IF he is taking care of himself and taking the process seriously. Enough is enough!!! He's a whiner, cut him and move on!! JMO!
Oridinarily I'd agree, however, Mathis quite clearly has the potential to be a game changer, so you have to think long and hard about trading someone who - when fit - is a huge threat from returns alone.

The Texans desperately need to shed this media tag of the NFL's worst decision makers. If Mathis is cut and reproduces pro-bowl form then look forward to yet another Bush / Young style media barrage of anti-Texans propaganda.

I certainly hope Kubiak and co don't jump the gun on Mathis because of bad luck with injuries or a suspect temperment, unless he's damaging the club then he's worth a roster spot, after all we're hardly bursting at the seams with playmakers.
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Oridinarily I'd agree, however, Mathis quite clearly has the potential to be a game changer, so you have to think long and hard about trading someone who - when fit - is a huge threat from returns alone.

The Texans desperately need to shed this media tag of the NFL's worst decision makers. If Mathis is cut and reproduces pro-bowl form then look forward to yet another Bush / Young style media barrage of anti-Texans propaganda.

I certainly hope Kubiak and co don't jump the gun on Mathis because of bad luck with injuries or a suspect temperment, unless he's damaging the club then he's worth a roster spot, after all we're hardly bursting at the seams with playmakers.
I could care less what the media says, but do care how players and agents feel about us. Mathis' biggest asset is speed and he has an injury that effected his value over an extended period of time while occupying a roster spot on a team that needs to maximize productivity from every position. This is a business and Mathis' for whatever reason is not contributing to the needs of the business.
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The problem is that many players and agents could have their opinions of the Texans influenced by the media. They watch the same shows we do on ESPN and NFLN.
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Right on!!! Mathis made a hell of a lot of money being a bench warmer this past year. I wouldn't put it past him to try the same thing again. He's had more than enough time to get a hamstring injury healed, IF he is taking care of himself and taking the process seriously. Enough is enough!!! He's a whiner, cut him and move on!! JMO!
I'm sure he would rather be playing than not playing.

Last year he sat out most of the season recovering from a foot fracture that the Texans delayed in diagnosing. It is the type of foot fracture common in track athletes and is difficult to diagnose. Then he pushed to come back too fast and injured his hamstring. Even with his limited time on the field, he was key to the win against Oakland.

Hamstring injuries are not just gut it out injuries. If your hammy doesn't work right, you can't run. It's not a question of willing it to get better--the hamstring either ends up working or not working.

"He's had more than enough time to get a hamstring injury healed, IF he is taking care of himself and taking the process seriously."

We don't know what he has been doing to fix his hamstrings or what the Texans have him doing. Who is likely to have more expertise in fixing hamstrings: Mathis or the Texans? The Texans should. Reports are that he is doing everything he is supposed to from what the training staff has requested, so maybe they are missing out on something.

Hamstring problems can be chronic or they can go away and the maddening thing is that if you look on the medical literature, there is no one way to treat or prevent them.

The Yankees just canned their trainer because they didn't like the work he was doing relating to hamstrings, and that the Yankees had a bunch of hamstring injuries.
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How did Mathis earn a "lot of" money? http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap.html $547,000 is not much money in NFL. Besides as TC said he was injured (foot) last season so he was not just sitting there. I am as frustrated as anyone, but what has Mathis actually done wrong in regards to hamstring? I just think a probowler should be allowed to go into last week or so of TC before being cut. If it can be established that the young man has not followed instructions by trainers/doctor then that is different. Remember this is the same medical team that ok'd Boselli & that worked out extremely well for the team.
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