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Old 06-16-2007   #181
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What was Carr's longest run here ? Carr had good speed, but he wasn't a good runner IMO.


I just edited it before you posted.You couldn't just wait one minute before you replied.Lol.
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I love how when you disagree with someone's post you call them names such as ignorant. Rather then really debating them. You can say it is a case of the pot calling the kettle black if you want, but I didn't call you ignorant at worst I implied that you were biased, which is quite obvious to anyone with a brain.

Actually I didn't call you anything...

I said your post was ignorant, which it was....

Don't know you well enough to know if you're an ignorant person...But I can read and determine whether or not what I'm reading is silly, a lie, or ignorant....You can go back and read if you'd like...
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I just edited it before you posted.You couldn't just wait one minute before you replied.Lol.
My bad...Guess I was too quick on the trigger...
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but a lot of the time carr would just run into the DE, hence he earned the name "the self-sacking qb".

His internal rythem was destroyed early on and is at this point unsalvagable, at least here in houston. We also have a pass blocking RB in Green for the first time ever in our franchise history, so that should help significantly (is Vonta Leech good at pass blocking? if he is then thats another back for protection purposes).

The line is average at best, but if we have a QB who tries to avoid the rush other then running into it then the passing game has a chance. maybe ive just been drinking the kool-aid though
Ask any knowledgable football fan to watch film of the Texans O-line and they will tell you that the Texans O-line is far below average.
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Ask any knowledgable football fan to watch film of the Texans O-line and they will tell you that the Texans O-line is far below average.

Is that more a product of the knowledgable football fan watching enough games of the texans to get that opinion, or from that "texans o-line is the worst" line being shoved in their face time and again?

The line is average at best, probably more the in 20s though, but i think we will actually see a decrease in sack totals despite the lack of speed at QB
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LMAO....

I'm done with you guys...

You're making stuff up now to fit your argument...LMAO...
I didn't make up anything. Watch the end of this link when Marshall Faulk does his analysis for evidence. Sorry, link doesn't automatically load the clip you will have to click on the State of the Franchise: Houston Texans.
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Is that more a product of the knowledgable football fan watching enough games of the texans to get that opinion, or from that "texans o-line is the worst" line being shoved in their face time and again?

The line is average at best, probably more the in 20s though, but i think we will actually see a decrease in sack totals despite the lack of speed at QB
I meant they will arrive at the conclusion that the Texans O-line is bad on their own if they watch the film.
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No but slower QB + O-line that could not protect a faster more mobile QB does.
Yes Carr is faster and more mobile than some QBs including Schaub and Peyton but that does not mean he knows what to do with it. Now I am not comparing Schaub to anyone but for examble .... Joe Montana was not very moblie but he was elusive, he knew when to step-up in the pocket and throw the ball and get it to a WR, RB or a TE. When Carr scrambled he would on more occassions than not run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage and that constitues a sack. When you fumble the ball and fall on it, it is counted as a sack. Inwco you have a window, especially on slant patterens where you have to get the ball out quickly and in perfect timing, since you say you watch about 6 games a year, how good was he at doing that or checking down to the next option?

Your arguments and trying to bad mouth the line with any real information is not holding water. Just like espin .. Nice draft but they did not draft an OL with the 10th pick, forget there was none available without a huge reach. Schelareth (sp) actually said the texans did not draft a lineman. This coming from a 10th round draft pick. You are not making strong arguements what so ever, like you said to DB, your repeating yourself, but you are not actually saying anything of real substance.
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I meant they will arrive at the conclusion that the Texans O-line is bad on their own if they watch the film.
Bad OL + Bad QB = Bad Offense .
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I didn't make up anything. Watch the end of this link when Marshall Faulk does his analysis for evidence.

Sorry, link doesn't automatically load the clip you will have to click on the State of the Franchise: Houston Texans.
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I didn't make up anything. Watch the end of this link when Marshall Faulk does his analysis for evidence.
Link didn't work for me, but I think I saw what you're talking about on NFL network.


That's not analysis. I could select plays from every team in the NFL and find one that shows two or more bust by the O-linemen, just like I can find plays where the whole O-line executed perfectly...That really doesn't say much other than you went out and selected the plays you wanted to use in order to prove your point... Marshall Faulk IMO, leaves a lot to be desired with his football analysis, but that is JMO...but he's new to it...I expect he'll get better over time...
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Link didn't work for me, but I think I saw what you're talking about on NFL network.


That's not analysis. I could select plays from every team in the NFL and find one that shows two or more bust by the O-linemen, just like I can find plays where the whole O-line executed perfectly...That really doesn't say much other than you went out and selected the plays you wanted to use in order to prove your point... Marshall Faulk IMO, leaves a lot to be desired with his football analysis, but that is JMO...but he's new to it...I expect he'll get better over time...
These are things that I found interesting .

Texans draft Dave Ragone in 03 .

The Texans acted like it did'nt matter in year 2005 who was on the OL ... Victor Riley anyone .

The backups have a higher winnig % .

This reminded me of little league when Timmy gets to pitch no matter how bad he was . That's also how the team responded ... until Dunta said his piece that is .
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Bad OL + Bad QB = Bad Offense .
True enough, but I would argue that a Bad OL + Good QB = Bad Offense, because the Offensive Line play is primary while a QB's play is secondary when determining the effectiveness of an Offense.

BTW, I am not stating that the Texans had a Good QB only that a Bad OL hides one's ability to determine whether or not the QB is Good or Bad.

As for the Texans getting rid of David Carr being used as an example that he was the problem, hasn't anyone heard of personnel moves being made for business reasons. In otherwords, it is quite possible that Carr was replaced to appease the fans to avoid losing revenue. It wouldn't be the first time that a professional sports franchise made such a move.
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True enough, but I would argue that a Bad OL + Good QB = Bad Offense, because the Offensive Line play is primary while a QB's play is secondary when determining the effectiveness of an Offense.

BTW, I am not stating that the Texans had a Good QB only that a Bad OL hides one's ability to determine whether or not the QB is Good or Bad.

As for the Texans getting rid of David Carr being used as an example that he was the problem, hasn't anyone heard of personnel moves being made for business reasons. In otherwords, it is quite possible that Carr was replaced to appease the fans to avoid losing revenue. It wouldn't be the first time that a professional sports franchise made such a move.
If I had a choice between a really good OL and a really good QB . I'd think of the Hogs and 3 super bowls with 3 different QBs .
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Link didn't work for me, but I think I saw what you're talking about on NFL network.


That's not analysis. I could select plays from every team in the NFL and find one that shows two or more bust by the O-linemen, just like I can find plays where the whole O-line executed perfectly...That really doesn't say much other than you went out and selected the plays you wanted to use in order to prove your point... Marshall Faulk IMO, leaves a lot to be desired with his football analysis, but that is JMO...but he's new to it...I expect he'll get better over time...
Yes that was analysis. It may not have been complete or anything that you agree with but it most certainly was analysis. Now as for me selecting plays, I don't have the ability to show you every breakdown by the Texans O-line. I wish I did, but I don't. I do however watch every one of their games and have seen with my own eyes similar plays as those shown in the video happening over and over and over. I am not saying that David Carr is perfect, far from it. I'm not even saying he is good. I am merely saying that the O-Line is bad and because of this I am unable to make a fair judgement of David Carr and for posting such as this my posts have been derided by you as ignorant.
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If I had a choice between a really good OL and a really good QB . I'd think of the Hogs and 3 super bowls with 3 different QBs .
I would have to say that the Hogs were possibly the greatest O-Line ever, so really good is a little bit of an understatement.
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Just to ease the tension .

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Another link. This one to Jim Mora's opinion of David Carr. You will have to click on, A look at quarterbacks at minicamps on NFLTA, to watch the clip.
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Another link. This one to Jim Mora's opinion of David Carr. You will have to click on, A look at quarterbacks at minicamps on NFLTA, to watch the clip.
Lol... What's next, are you going to pull the Steve Mariuchi comments on Carr too?

I saw the Mora piece when they ran it a month or so ago. Mora citing David's completion percentage of all things as rationale for why he will be the starter "sooner rather than later" in Carolina puts him right there with Mooch in terms of clueless 'analysis.' If you can find that clip, that one's even funnier -- same basic citation with Mooch going off on how the Texans could be so stupid let a QB go who led the league in completion percentage ... or something very close to that effect. I wonder if Mora has ever watched a Texans game. It was obvious that Mooch hadn't.

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Lol... What's next, are you going to pull the Steve Mariuchi comments on Carr too?

I saw the Mora piece when they ran it a month or so ago. Mora citing David's completion percentage of all things as rationale for why he will be the starter "sooner rather than later" in Carolina puts him right there with Mooch in terms of clueless 'analysis.' If you can find that clip, that one's even funnier -- same basic citation with Mooch going off on how the Texans could be so stupid let a QB go who led the league in completion percentage ... or something very close to that effect. I wonder if Mora has ever watched a Texans game. It was obvious that Mooch hadn't.
I don't know if Mora did watch any Texans games but he did say that the Texans were a bad team and he should know about bad teams considering how many bad teams he has coached.

BTW, I haven't seen the Mariuchi clip.
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