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Old 04-23-2007   #1
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1. Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
2. Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
3. Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
4. JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
5. Gaines Adams DE Clemson
6. Levi Brown OT Penn State
7. Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
8. LaRon Landry S LSU
9. Amboi Okoye DT Louisville
10. Darrelle Revis CB Pitt
11. Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
12. Alan Branch DT Michigan
13. Leon Hall CB Michigan
14. Marshawn Lynch RB California
15. Jon Benson OLB Miami
16. Aaron Ross CB/KR Texas
17. Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
18. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
19. Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
20. Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida State
21. Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
22. Reggie Nelson FS Florida
23. Ted Ginn, Jr. WR/KR Ohio State
24. Greg Olsen TE Miami
25. Michael Griffin SS Texas
26. Paul Poluszny OLB Penn State
27. Ryan Kalil OC Southern California
28. Brandon Meriweather S Miami
29. Ben Grubbs OG Auburn
30. Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
31. Jarvis Moss DE Florida
32. Anthony Spencer DE/OLB Purdue
33. Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
34. Anthony Gonzales WR Ohio State
35. Eric Wright CB UNLV
36. David Harris ILB Michigan
37. Zach Miller TE Arizona State
38. Aaron Sears OG Tennessee
39. Sidney Rice WR South Carolina
40. Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
41. Justin Blaylock OG Texas
42. Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California
43. Tony Ugoh OT Arkansas
44. Trent Edwards QB Stanford
45. Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
46. Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
47. Claude “Turk” McBride DT Tennessee
48. Chris Houston CB Arkansas
49. Justin Durant ILB Hampton
50. Brian Leonard RB/FB Rutgers


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Why Levi Brown ranks above Joe Thomas?
It comes down to floor and ceiling. Joe Thomas’ floor is Robert Gallery, an ineffective RT who needs help most of the time his ceiling is becoming a good but no elite LT. Levi Brown’s floor on the other hand is as a dominate mauling RT, while is ceiling is a Pro Bowl caliber LT, ala Jamaal Brown. Thomas will always be hampered by his short’ish arms and while he may be able to overcome his lack of a great base it’ll take a while; while Brown’s faults all appear to be technique based which means a good coach can correct them.

Why Brady Quinn ranks above JaMarcus Russell?
Same as above, it’s a floor and ceiling issue. Russell’s ceiling is as high as anybody’s in this draft, and his floor might be just as low as his ceiling is high. Showing up to the combine looking “doughy” to the combine shows a poor attitude or a whole lot of immaturity. Quinn’s floor is probably as an effective, not great NFL QB; his ceiling maybe as a playoff winning QB (which is nowhere as good as Russell’s ceiling).

Chris Houston:
I think he’s an Ahamad Carroll clone, somebody whose physical game will lead to a bunch of penalties or a bunch of toast sessions as a pro. Yes he shut down quite a few good receivers, except for Sidney Rice; but the “illegal contact 5 yards from the line of scrimmage” penalty could be renamed the Chris Houston penalty.

Sidney Rice:
I will be cautious of any Steve Spurierr produced wide receiver till they start to succeed at the next level.


This is my first crack at a top 50, so I'll take comments of any kind.
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Interesting analysis of Joe Thomas. After can't miss Robert Gallery, your point about him cannot be taken lightly. But, I would still take Thomas over Brown at this point simply due to the consenus of professional scouts opinions.
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I see you've bought into the anti-Jarrett hype. I still think he's the best WR in the draft not named Calvin Johnson.

Jason Hill out of Washington State is as talented and accomplished as any of the mid-late 1st round WRs being touted.

Josh Wilson and Marcus McCauley could be immediate starters at CB or nickel back. Wilson is also an excellent KR.

I still think Kevin Kolb is the #3 QB in the draft. Look for the team that doesn't get Brady Quinn (Cleveland or Miami) to take Kolb in the 2nd.

Tim Crowder has a lot of value in this draft. He can play either DE spot, and is an every down lineman.
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I see you've bought into the anti-Jarrett hype. I still think he's the best WR in the draft not named Calvin Johnson. Never saw him get that much seperation in college, and there fore I'm concerned he won't get that much in the pros

Jason Hill out of Washington State is as talented and accomplished as any of the mid-late 1st round WRs being touted.I don't think he's as good as Craig Davis or Steve Smith.

Josh Wilson and Marcus McCauley could be immediate starters at CB or nickel back. Wilson is also an excellent KR.While Wilson and McCauley are both good CBs, I'm shakey on McCauley, they are not as good as the other 4 CBS on the list.

I still think Kevin Kolb is the #3 QB in the draft. Look for the team that doesn't get Brady Quinn (Cleveland or Miami) to take Kolb in the 2nd. Disagree, Kolb has spent too much time in the same system, earning him a "system QB" label, which hurts his draft status.

Tim Crowder has a lot of value in this draft. He can play either DE spot, and is an every down lineman.Good, a reason to bump Brian Leonard off the list
My comments in bold, new list below:
1. Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
2. Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
3. Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
4. JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
5. Gaines Adams DE Clemson
6. Levi Brown OT Penn State
7. Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
8. LaRon Landry S LSU
9. Amboi Okoye DT Louisville
10. Darrelle Revis CB Pitt
11. Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
12. Alan Branch DT Michigan
13. Leon Hall CB Michigan
14. Marshawn Lynch RB California
15. Jon Benson OLB Miami
16. Aaron Ross CB/KR Texas
17. Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
18. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
19. Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
20. Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida State
21. Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
22. Reggie Nelson FS Florida
23. Ted Ginn, Jr. WR/KR Ohio State
24. Greg Olsen TE Miami
25. Michael Griffin SS Texas
26. Paul Poluszny OLB Penn State
27. Ryan Kalil OC Southern California
28. Brandon Meriweather S Miami
29. Ben Grubbs OG Auburn
30. Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
31. Jarvis Moss DE Florida
32. Anthony Spencer DE/OLB Purdue
33. Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
34. Anthony Gonzales WR Ohio State
35. Eric Wright CB UNLV
36. David Harris ILB Michigan
37. Zach Miller TE Arizona State
38. Aaron Sears OG Tennessee
39. Sidney Rice WR South Carolina
40. Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
41. Justin Blaylock OG Texas
42. Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California
43. Tony Ugoh OT Arkansas
44. Trent Edwards QB Stanford
45. Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
46. Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
47. Tim Crowder DE Texas
48. Claude “Turk” McBride DT Tennessee
49. Chris Houston CB Arkansas
50. Justin Durant ILB Hampton
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I see you've bought into the anti-Jarrett hype. I still think he's the best WR in the draft not named Calvin Johnson.

Jason Hill out of Washington State is as talented and accomplished as any of the mid-late 1st round WRs being touted.

Josh Wilson and Marcus McCauley could be immediate starters at CB or nickel back. Wilson is also an excellent KR.

I still think Kevin Kolb is the #3 QB in the draft. Look for the team that doesn't get Brady Quinn (Cleveland or Miami) to take Kolb in the 2nd.

Tim Crowder has a lot of value in this draft. He can play either DE spot, and is an every down lineman.

I'm with the crowd on Jarrett, but I like your other takes.

I watched some film on Jarrett, and while I usually think straight line speed is sometimes over-rated, they pointed out that he is somewhat slow out of his breaks and so forth. You could see that on film. I just don't know how well he will separate against good NFL corners. I wouldn't touch him in round one myself.
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Never saw him get that much seperation in college, and there fore I'm concerned he won't get that much in the pros
I've heard that criticism before. But really, how much separation does any WR get in the NFL? AJ doesn't even get a lot of separation, and he's a college sprint champion.

Eventually, WRs have to make catches in traffic with defenders hanging off them. No WR prospect does that better than Dwayne Jarrett. Not even Calvin Johnson.
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I've heard that criticism before. But really, how much separation does any WR get in the NFL? AJ doesn't even get a lot of separation, and he's a college sprint champion.

Eventually, WRs have to make catches in traffic with defenders hanging off them. No WR prospect does that better than Dwayne Jarrett. Not even Calvin Johnson.
But AJ got seperation in college. I think Jarrett relies on his body to much to help him make the play in traffic; yet Chris Houston punked him at the line all during the USC/Arkansas game, which implies to me that while he's big he does not play that big or tough. Could Jarrett be good? Yes, but I think he could also bust fairly easy.

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I hope you don't mind me piggy-backing on your thread, but I'll post my top-50 list here rather than starting a new thread for it (heights are accurate to within a half inch of what they measured at the Combine for simplicity, weights are what they weighed at Combine, 40 times are what they ran at Combine unless otherwise noted as their 40 time from their Pro Day, and bench press reps for applicable positions are from the Combine or Pro Day).:

1. Calvin Johnson (WR, Georgia Tech - 6'5", 239 lbs, 4.35)
2. Adrian Peterson (RB, Oklahoma - 6'1.5", 217 lbs, 4.40)
3. Joe Thomas (OT, Wisconsin - 6'6.5", 311 lbs, 4.92, 28 bench press reps)
4. Brady Quinn (QB, Notre Dame - 6'3.5", 232 lbs, 4.77 (at Pro Day))
5. JaMarcus Russell (QB, LSU - 6'5.5", 265 lbs, 4.83 (at Pro Day))
6. Jamaal Anderson (DE, Arkansas - 6'5.5", 288 lbs, 4.77 (at Pro Day), 22 bench press reps)
7. Gaines Adams (DE, Clemson - 6"4.5", 258 lbs, 4.64, 21 bench press reps)
8. Amobi Okoye (DT, Louisville - 6'2", 302 lbs, 5.06 (4.88 at Pro Day), 29 bench press reps)
9. Patrick Willis (LB, Mississippi - 6'1", 242 lbs, 4.51 (4.37 at Pro Day), 22 bench press reps)
10. Laron Landry (S, LSU - 6'0.5", 213 lbs, 4.35)
11. Levi Brown (OT, Penn St. - 6'5.5", 323 lbs, 5.39, 31 bench press reps)
12. Leon Hall (CB, Michigan - 5'11", 193 lbs, 4.39)
13. Darrelle Revis (CB, Pittsburgh - 5'11.5", 204 lbs, 4.40 (at Pro Day))
14. Reggie Nelson (S, Florida - 5'11.5", 198 lbs, 4.48 (4.35 at Pro Day))
15. Adam Carriker (DE, Nebraska - 6'6", 296 lbs, 4.90 (4.72 at Pro Day), 33 bench press reps)
16. Chris Houston (CB, Arkansas - 5'10", 185 lbs, 4.32)
17. Alan Branch (DT, Michigan - 6'5.5", 324 lbs, 5.07, 33 bench press reps)
18. Jarvis Moss (DE/LB, Florida - 6'6.5", 250 lbs, 4.70, 16 bench press reps)
19. Greg Olsen (TE, Miami - 6'6", 254 lbs, 4.51, 23 bench press reps)
20. Robert Meachem (WR, Tennessee - 6'2", 214 lbs, 4.39)
21. Ted Ginn (WR, Ohio St. - 5'11", 178 lbs, 4.38 (at Pro Day))
22. Lawrence Timmons (LB, Florida St. - 6'1", 234 lbs, 4.66, 25 bench press reps)
23. Marshawn Lynch (RB, California - 5'11", 215 lbs, 4.46)
24. Dwayne Jarrett (WR, USC - 6'4", 219 lbs, 4.64 (at Pro Day))
25. Brandon Meriweather (S/CB, Miami - 5'10.5", 195 lbs, 4.47)
26. Ben Grubbs (OG, Auburn - 6'2.5", 311 lbs, 5.18 (5.10 at Pro Day), 35 bench press reps)
27. Jon Beason (LB, Miami - 6'0", 237 lbs, 4.72, 19 bench press reps)
28. Paul Posluszny (LB, Penn St. - 6'1.5", 238 lbs, 4.70 (4.60 at Pro Day), 22 bench press reps)
29. Anthony Spencer (DE/LB, Purdue - 6'3", 261 lbs, 4.70, 30 bench press reps)
30. Ryan Kalil (OC, USC - 6'2.5", 299 lbs, 4.96, 34 bench press reps)
31. Dwayne Bowe (WR, LSU - 6'2", 221 lbs, 4.51 (4.44 at Pro Day))
32. Joe Staley (OT, Central Michigan - 6'6", 306 lbs, 4.82 (at Pro Day), 27 bench press reps)
33. Charles Johnson (DE, Georgia - 6'2", 270 lbs, 4.84 (4.78 at Pro Day), 33 bench press reps)
34. Sidney Rice (WR, South Carolina - 6'3.5", 200 lbs, 4.51)
35. Aaron Ross (CB, Texas - 6'0.5", 193 lbs, 4.44)
36. Michael Griffin (S, Texas - 5'11.5", 202 lbs, 4.45 (4.40 at Pro Day))
37. Justin Blalock (OG/T, Texas - 6'3", 320 lbs, 5.10, 40 bench press reps)
38. Anthony Gonzalez (WR, Ohio St. - 6'0", 193 lbs, 4.44)
39. Arron Sears (OT/G, Tennessee - 6'3", 319 lbs, 5.15 (at Pro Day), 21 bench press reps)
40. Justin Harrell (DT, Tennessee - 6'4.5", 300 lbs, 5.04, 31 bench press reps)
41. Victor Abiamiri (DE, Notre Dame - 6'4", 267 lbs, 4.80, 25 bench press reps)
42. Josh Beekman (OG/C, Auburn - 6'1.5", 313 lbs, 5.36, 24 bench press reps)
43. Tank Tyler (DT, North Carolina St. - 6'2", 306 lbs, 5.24 (at Pro Day), 42 bench press reps)
44. David Harris (LB, Michigan - 6'2", 243 lbs, 4.59, 23 bench press reps)
45. Drew Stanton (QB, Michigan St. - 6'3", 226 lbs, 4.75)
46. Tony Ugoh (OT, Arkansas - 6'5", 301 lbs, 5.06, 32 bench press reps)
47. Trent Edwards (QB, Stanford - 6'4", 231 lbs, 4.76)
48. Marcus McCauley (CB, Fresno St. - 6'0.5", 203 lbs, 4.39)
49. Eric Wright (CB, UNLV - 5'10.5", 192 lbs, 4.36)
50. LaMarr Woodley (DE/LB, Michigan - 6'1.5", 266 lbs, 4.79 (at Pro Day), 29 bench press reps)
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To make us all feel inferior, Gosselin's top 50 :
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...0.24f9573.html

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1. Calvin Johnson WR Ga. Tech
2. Adrian Peterson HB Oklahoma
3. JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
4. Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
5. Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
6. Gaines Adams DE Clemson
7. LaRon Landry S LSU
8. Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
9. Levi Brown OT Penn St.
10. Leon Hall CB Michigan
11. Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
12. Patrick Willis MLB Mississippi
13. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
14. Marshawn Lynch HB California
15. Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida St.
16. Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
17. Reggie Nelson S Florida
18. Ben Grubbs G Auburn
19. Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio St.
20. Joe Staley OT C. Michigan
21. Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
22. Aaron Ross CB Texas
23. Jarvis Moss DE Florida
24. Jon Beason OLB Miami-Fla.
25. Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
26. Michael Griffin S Texas
27. Paul Posluszny MLB Penn St.
28. Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
29. David Harris MLB Michigan
30. Brandon Meriweather S Miami-Fla.
31. Greg Olsen TE Miami-Fla.
32. Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio St.
33. Alan Branch DT Michigan
34. Anthony Spencer DE Purdue
35. Chris Houston CB Arkansas
36. Ryan Kalil C Southern Cal
37. Trent Edwards QB Stanford
38. Arron Sears G Tennessee
39. Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern Cal
40. Drew Stanton QB Michigan St.
41. Sidney Rice WR S. Carolina
42. Justin Blalock G Texas
43. Craig Davis WR LSU
44. Kevin Kolb QB Houston
45. Steve Smith WR Southern Cal
46. Claude "Turk" McBride DT Tennessee
47. Antonio Pittman HB Ohio St.
48. Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
49. Tony Ugoh OT Arkansas
50. Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St.
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What I'm finding out is that there are an awful lot of very differing opinions on the quality of the top three tackles. Some people have Staley right up there with Thomas, some have Levi better than the other two, some have Levi and Staley up around the twenties, some have all three in the top ten.

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