Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > The National Football League
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


The National Football League League News & Current Events

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-29-2007   #1
AlbinoRat
Veteran
 
AlbinoRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tennessee
Age: 25
Posts: 188
Rep Power: 10 AlbinoRat is ridin' the pine
Send a message via AIM to AlbinoRat
Default Mario or Reggie

Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
__________________
"Why don't you go purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka"-Prince
AlbinoRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #2
MATRIX
Veteran
 
MATRIX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 176
Rep Power: 8 MATRIX is a team player
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Yes, it was.

Why: Because we didn't take Reggie. So, we will only ever know what Mario will do for this team.
MATRIX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #3
AlbinoRat
Veteran
 
AlbinoRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tennessee
Age: 25
Posts: 188
Rep Power: 10 AlbinoRat is ridin' the pine
Send a message via AIM to AlbinoRat
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

I mean more along the lines of, did it fill the big need. Without a doubt, Bush is the greatest player in College in the past decade, but was it the right thing to do, getting help on the defensive line and trying to help a weak defense? Things like that.
__________________
"Why don't you go purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka"-Prince
AlbinoRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #4
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
 
Ole Miss Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 8,680
Rep Power: 24791 Ole Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

I do think it was the right choice.

here are a few points you can write about when referencing mario.

-Mario is a phenominal athlete: 6' 7", 295 lbs, ran a 4.7, 10' broad jump, 40.5" vertical jump, 35 reps on the 225lb bench....simply amazing.

-one reason why people are so up in arms over the pick is because they simply don't know who he is, simple as that...oh and that he's a defensive player...offense players always get more hype. He played at NC ST. not UT or USC.

-Rated as the #1 defensive Player in the entire draft. while most teams had RB rated #1 overall, it has been rumored that 9 teams in the NFL had Mario Williams as #1 on their board. Parcells from Dallas has talked about this.

-Houston had David Carr QB #1 overall pick in the 2002 draft. gave him a 3 year extension and an $8 million signing bonus.

-New head coack Gary kubiak and asst. coach Mike sherman were brought in to change the team...they are implementing new schemes, esp the offensive line w/ a new ZBS that the old regime "touched" on. in this scheme you need a RB that can be patient, wait for the hole to open in the line, take 1 cut and take it to the next level. Reggie Bush is not that kind of runner but excels at making plays when he's in the open field. the staff imo felt they didn't need to spend the #1 overall on that type of back but have others that can fit the scheme for cheaper.

-The defense on the Texans was worse than the offense which people overlook. The overall D was ranked either 31 or 32 in defense in the entire league. Dunta Robinson was the only player worth anything. Texans had a bad Dline and never put consistent pressure on the opposing QB. something we're still working on but it takes time when rebuilding a team.

Mario was a good long term decision. He isn't the sack specialist people want in a DE, but he's better than alot and Superb against the run...yadda yadda.

there's some that may or may not help you out. i think the VY and RB arguments would be pretty easy to make. so i won't talk about that.
__________________
#99 JJ Watt - Dream Big Work Hard
Ole Miss Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #5
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
 
JCTexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Austin
Age: 25
Posts: 4,001
Rep Power: 36122 JCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedJCTexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbinoRat View Post
Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
I believe it was the right move. Mario is going to be a freak for us at DE, whereas Reggie would be in a crowded backfield with Danye, Green, Taylor and Lundy. I still think we need another DE, but I believe we're set at runningback.
JCTexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #6
jopatmc
Rookie
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4
Rep Power: 0 jopatmc is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbinoRat View Post
Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
Why would you not choose the Texans passing on Vince? It would be much easier to write.
jopatmc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #7
EZ_Goin
Rookie
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 5
Rep Power: 0 EZ_Goin is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

You need to at least mention the fact it is way too early to determine if it was the correct pick or not. No one will really have a good idea for a few years if not more.
EZ_Goin is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 03-29-2007   #8
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
 
Ole Miss Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 8,680
Rep Power: 24791 Ole Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Quote:
Originally Posted by EZ_Goin View Post
You need to at least mention the fact it is way too early to determine if it was the correct pick or not. No one will really have a good idea for a few years if not more.
That's a good point. You probably want to think of it as last year...we didn't know what was going to happen even during the 2006 season. just where our team was at april 28, 2006.

also think of this as a long term question. i believe the FO though mario was a good long term answer...that he could probably play longer and contribute more long term...at just as high a level if not more than any other player.
__________________
#99 JJ Watt - Dream Big Work Hard
Ole Miss Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #9
noxiousdog
All Pro
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 40
Posts: 632
Rep Power: 6013 noxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respectednoxiousdog is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbinoRat View Post
I mean more along the lines of, did it fill the big need. Without a doubt, Bush is the greatest player in College in the past decade, but was it the right thing to do, getting help on the defensive line and trying to help a weak defense? Things like that.
How can you be the greatest player if you're taken off the field in a cruicial situation?
noxiousdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #10
El Amigo Invisible
All Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 571
Rep Power: 9 El Amigo Invisible is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

I would still take Mario Williams

Last edited by El Amigo Invisible; 03-29-2007 at 05:48 PM.
El Amigo Invisible is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #11
DontTreadOnMe
Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Age: 31
Posts: 90
Rep Power: 8 DontTreadOnMe is a team player
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

in my opinion it was the correct pick.. because why pay a 'decoy' top notch money??... and mario is a super freak. If reggie loses a step, what will he amount to??.. not very much in my eyes.
DontTreadOnMe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #12
blockhead83
All Pro
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: College Station, Texas
Age: 31
Posts: 715
Rep Power: 11 blockhead83 is a fan favorite
Send a message via AIM to blockhead83
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

It was the right move because:
- Reggie's a jack of all trades. Good at everything, but not great at anything in the NFL. As a pro back you need to be able to pound it between the tackles and wear teams down, and I doubt with his frame and playing style that his body will be able to handle that abuse as the primary back for an entire season. Last season he showed that he could run between the tackles, but not very well, and the majority of his big plays came when he relieved Deuce and bounced it outside. When Deuce is gone, he won't have the luxury of doing that as often. Why use the most valuable pick in the whole draft on a player who is best used in a situational manner? You're not maximizing the value of the pick if the player doesn't have a constant impact.

- Mario can be the anchor for our entire D. He can stop the run, he can rush the passer, and he can make those around him better. Teams will have to account for him on every down.

- On the topic of maximizing the value of the pick again, what's the NFL average career length for a RB? Like 5 years? DE's play longer careers. We're getting better value from the choice if we get more years out of the player.

- Like said above, Reggie wasn't in the Nat'l Championship game in the most important play, at his coaches discretion. If Reggie's the most valuable player in the draft class, why isn't he good enough for the coach to atleast want him on the field during the most important play of that years college football season?
blockhead83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #13
real
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

No it wasn't the right pick.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #14
YellerLotYeller
nice marmot
 
YellerLotYeller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: EZ-Tag Lane
Age: 36
Posts: 3,214
Rep Power: 187 YellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respectedYellerLotYeller is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Yes and I dont feel like it...really its just because I cant change what happened and I dont hold grudges like a woman.

**Don't forget to reference me.
YellerLotYeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #15
jlam
Veteran
 
jlam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sugar Land, TX
Age: 30
Posts: 368
Rep Power: 139 jlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respectedjlam is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Quote:
Originally Posted by JCTexan View Post
I believe it was the right move. Mario is going to be a freak for us at DE, whereas Reggie would be in a crowded backfield with Danye, Green, Taylor and Lundy. I still think we need another DE, but I believe we're set at runningback.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you guys the pick was wrong, because obviously my opinion would be seen as biased. However, if you are going to argue that Mario was the correct pick (which he may very well prove to be), please don't use the "crowded backfield" excuse.
jlam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #16
Double Barrel
Modified Simian
 
Double Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
Section: Gridiron, Tx
Age: 47
Posts: 30,472
Rep Power: 283896 Double Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Short term: Reggie Bush would have been a perfect target for Carr's specialty of dump passes. Although, Mario did have a key forced fumble against the Colts that helped us keep the momentum to win the game.

Long term: who knows...but Mario has the potential to be a great threat on the defensive line, and that's as valuable as R.Bush in the backfield.

It is too early to make the call, but a case can be made either way at this point.
__________________
"Football is only a diversion." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS
Double Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #17
phantom17
#1 Fan in RGV!
 
phantom17's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: RGV, TX
Age: 46
Posts: 686
Rep Power: 1292 phantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respectedphantom17 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

I STILL like Mario! Now we just need someone GOOD to play on the other side, & a tough DT to play alongside Mario. Also it would be nice that's he's healthy this coming season. I wonder how he's doing with his plantar faciatis, & if it has healed by rest?
__________________
GO TEXANS! J.J. Watt = BEAST!
phantom17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #18
tsip
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,277
Rep Power: 13 tsip was voted MVPtsip was voted MVPtsip was voted MVP
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbinoRat View Post
Before you freak out, I have to do a current event paper from 2006, and I chose the Texans passing on reggie as my topic, because i can. I'm supposed to show both sides of the arguement and i figured who would know better than us.

Simply tell me if you think it was the right pick and if you feel like it, why.
Thanks for the help.
There are already hundred's of threads with thousand's of post about this very subject--too, most folks are tired of hearing about 'old' news, so you'd probably get better info from the older post....
tsip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #19
Wolf
100% Texan
 
Wolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kerrville
Age: 44
Posts: 37,061
Rep Power: 89729 Wolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Mario was the right pick (in my mind) I wished we could have traded down but that wasn't happening ..N.O. was rumored to take him if we didn't (and took VY and or RB)

At the time ...we knew VY wasn't coming esp with Carr's extention

RB could have still been picked but we banked on DD being back healthy and extended his contract too (if I am not mistaken)

could we have used his help ? I can't deny that but what else did we need?

defensively we needed help on the line badly

Walker got cut, payne was coming off an injury (if I am not mistaken), we did sign Weaver ..we had Robaire Smith but everyone else wasn't too impressive (I am still waiting on TJ to make an impact).. We needed help in that department..

now with that said. DD is solid but not spectacular, but if he came back healthy, he could have been a 1000 yard rusher.. and in this day and age that isn't saying much (1300 I believe is the benchmark) but with what we had, I am not sure Bush would have been that much of an upgrade running the ball, now with Carr's consistant passes to the flat.. who knows what Bush could have done with that.
Wolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2007   #20
travfrancis
Veteran
 
travfrancis's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Houston
Age: 27
Posts: 410
Rep Power: 12 travfrancis is on the Pro-Bowl ballottravfrancis is on the Pro-Bowl ballot
Send a message via AIM to travfrancis
Default Re: Mario or Reggie

Quote:
Without a doubt, Bush is the greatest player in College in the past decade
Haha
travfrancis is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > The National Football League
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger