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Old 03-25-2007   #1
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I'm not entirely sold on this guy. He doesn't seem to be a franchise left tackle like Joe Thomas. And looking at next year's class where Sam Baker, Jake Long, Barry Richardson, and possibly Jared Gaither should declare - you're looking at 4 franchise left tackles.

I'm not a scout and I'm not going to pretend to be a scout but from what I've read, Levi is projected best as a right tackle in the NFL, hence the interest from Arizona and Atlanta.

With the re-signing of Salaam and the addition of Black, I think we can piecemeal for another year. Spencer probably isn't the solution at left tackle, but maybe he'll return healthy next season and prove he is.

Do we really want to take a chance on Brown when we have other voids to fill? Look at our options; Reggie Nelson at FS, Amobi Okoye at DT, Adam Carriker at DE, Darrelle Revis/Chris Houston at CB, Ryan Kalil at C, Robert Meachem/Dwayne Bowe at WR. Some are obvious reaches at the 10th pick, but so is Levi Brown. And seeing as we don't have a 2nd round pick, we have to make the best of our first rounder - barring a trade, of course.
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I'm not entirely sold on this guy. He doesn't seem to be a franchise left tackle like Joe Thomas. And looking at next year's class where Sam Baker, Jake Long, Barry Richardson, and possibly Jared Gaither should declare - you're looking at 4 franchise left tackles.

I'm not a scout and I'm not going to pretend to be a scout but from what I've read, Levi is projected best as a right tackle in the NFL, hence the interest from Arizona and Atlanta.

With the re-signing of Salaam and the addition of Black, I think we can piecemeal for another year. Spencer probably isn't the solution at left tackle, but maybe he'll return healthy next season and prove he is.

Do we really want to take a chance on Brown when we have other voids to fill? Look at our options; Reggie Nelson at FS, Amobi Okoye at DT, Adam Carriker at DE, Darrelle Revis/Chris Houston at CB, Ryan Kalil at C, Robert Meachem/Dwayne Bowe at WR. Some are obvious reaches at the 10th pick, but so is Levi Brown. And seeing as we don't have a 2nd round pick, we have to make the best of our first rounder - barring a trade, of course.
I'm not against us taking him if he's available because he certainly would help us out. But I'd be more inclined to take some of the other players you mentioned.
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I don't think we'll take Levi...

Kubiak said we needed playmakers, and I think he'll stick to that...
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I don't think it's a very good idea to make decisions this year based on what might happen in next years draft. And while some people are projecting Levi Brown as a right tackle(I haven't seen any of that), there are some who believe Levi is a better prospect than Thomas, and definitely a better value if drafted out of the top 5.

I don't care about Levi Brown... weather we draft him or not. I think he'll be a fine football player. But I believe our offensive line is solid enough for us to start drafting OL late, and groom them for future use. I can see us drafting interior linemen, not expecting them to play at all in '07, but have them ready to play in '08, at a very high level.

We gave up 44 sacks in '07. That's pretty good, considering we never started the same 5 guys for more than 2 weeks in a row. If we can establish some kind of continuity with our starting 5, we'll have a very good season.
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i don't see any scouting report projecting brown as a RT. he's got LT written all over him.
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Default Re: Levi Brown

I here what you are saying but can Matt Schaub take a pounding is the question you realy need to ask. He is basicly a untested QB(i.e. rookie but most won't say this because he has 3 years in the league) that has started two reg. season games for Alt. He is our new 48 million dollar man and I for one want to give the guy every chance to win, never IMO did we put a O-line together for Carr not saying it was all there fault, it was'nt, he had his problems as well. All I'm saying is take Levi this year if he's there at ten, and we dont get any trade down offers, if he works out at LT we have one glaring problem on our team fixed FINALLY. If Spencer makes a complete recovery from his injury plug him in a RT and our book-end Tackles are set for the next 10 to 12 years. If Spencer's not ready we have Winston for RT again this year.(some have even suggested trying Winston at LT)
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i don't see any scouting report projecting brown as a RT. he's got LT written all over him.
Sorry I can't tell you where I read it but I have seen this also, has to due with his pass blocking and having to deal with speed rush at LT.
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i don't see any scouting report projecting brown as a RT. he's got LT written all over him.
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It's not a matter of whether Brown is servicable as a left tackle, but whether it's a position where he can excel is at question, and I personally wouldn't want to take the chance with a first round draft pick.
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I here what you are saying but can Matt Schaub take a pounding is the question you realy need to ask. He is basicly a untested QB(i.e. rookie but most won't say this because he has 3 years in the league) that has started two reg. season games for Alt. He is our new 48 million dollar man and I for one want to give the guy every chance to win, never IMO did we put a O-line together for Carr not saying it was all there fault, it was'nt, he had his problems as well. All I'm saying is take Levi this year if he's there at ten, and we dont get any trade down offers, if he works out at LT we have one glaring problem on our team fixed FINALLY. If Spencer makes a complete recovery from his injury plug him in a RT and our book-end Tackles are set for the next 10 to 12 years. If Spencer's not ready we have Winston for RT again this year.(some have even suggested trying Winston at LT)
Yes, Shaub is a rookie, if he were in this draft, I'd guarantee he'd be drafted late in the first round. & that's basically what we gave for him.

As far as not getting David an OL to work behind, we put starters in front of him. Victor Riley, Todd Wade, Wiegart, all starters before coming to Houston. They may not have been probowlers, but they defiinitely weren't the worst OLmen in the league that they looked like when they were playing for Houston.

Milford Brown was signed last year as the Arizona Cardinals starting LG... he finished '06 as the Arizona Cardinals left guard... he started 12 games as the Arizona Cardinals LG. & with Milford Brown as the Arizona Cardinals LG, they only gave up 35 sacks(6 less than the Texans), threw for 3662 yards(900 more than the Texans), and for 17 TDs(6 more than the Texans) & all this, with no running game to speak of, and one of the worst defenses in the league.
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Yes, Shaub is a rookie
Guys entering their 4th year in the league are not rookies no matter how much they have started. Just spending three years in the league puts a player way ahead of someone coming out of college.
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He is basicly a untested QB(i.e. rookie but most won't say this because he has 3 years in the league) that has started two reg. season games for Alt.
Yes "He is basicly a untested QB(i.e. rookie but most won't say this because he has 3 years in the league) that has started two reg. season games for Alt."

sorry, I should have been more specific. Thanks for the looking out cak.
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...and for 17 TDs(6 more than the Texans) ...
Um. Didn't the Texans have 14 passing TD's? Carr with 11 and Sage with 3?
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i don't see any scouting report projecting brown as a RT. he's got LT written all over him.
To what extent did his slow 40 time at the combine hurt him? How quick is Brown when it comes to getting out of his stance? Is he quick enough to handle speed rushers off the edge?

Brown was much slower than Thomas at the Combine. I've never seen him play, but I wonder about his ability to handle the Freeneys, Abrahams and Wares of the NFL if he isn't quick. A 40 time in the 5.3 range seems rather glacial to me.
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To what extent did his slow 40 time at the combine hurt him? How quick is Brown when it comes to getting out of his stance? Is he quick enough to handle speed rushers off the edge?

Brown was much slower than Thomas at the Combine. I've never seen him play, but I wonder about his ability to handle the Freeneys, Abrahams and Wares of the NFL if he isn't quick. A 40 time in the 5.3 range seems rather glacial to me.
If I remember right, Brown's 40 time was better than Spencer's, and we put spencer at LT.
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If I remember right, Brown's 40 time was better than Spencer's, and we put spencer at LT.
Spencer ran 40's in 5.32 & 5.39 secs
Brown ran 40's in 5.39 & 5.45 secs

Brown and Spencer will lose a 40 yard foot race with Dwight Freeney everytime. Doesn't mean that they can't keep Freeney away from the QB. FWIW, Eric Winston ran his in 4.98 & 4.96 secs.
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To what extent did his slow 40 time at the combine hurt him? How quick is Brown when it comes to getting out of his stance? Is he quick enough to handle speed rushers off the edge?

Brown was much slower than Thomas at the Combine. I've never seen him play, but I wonder about his ability to handle the Freeneys, Abrahams and Wares of the NFL if he isn't quick. A 40 time in the 5.3 range seems rather glacial to me.
Grading oline by 40 times isn't that good of an idea. Brown is also an inch taller then Spencer and weighs about 25-30lbs less playing weight.

There's always next year for LT got us in this position. I'd be disapointed if we didn't take him or some LT help in the draft. I'm also hoping for a good center prospect.
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I don't think it's a very good idea to make decisions this year based on what might happen in next years draft. And while some people are projecting Levi Brown as a right tackle(I haven't seen any of that), there are some who believe Levi is a better prospect than Thomas, and definitely a better value if drafted out of the top 5.

I don't care about Levi Brown... weather we draft him or not. I think he'll be a fine football player. But I believe our offensive line is solid enough for us to start drafting OL late, and groom them for future use. I can see us drafting interior linemen, not expecting them to play at all in '07, but have them ready to play in '08, at a very high level.

We gave up 44 sacks in '07. That's pretty good, considering we never started the same 5 guys for more than 2 weeks in a row. If we can establish some kind of continuity with our starting 5, we'll have a very good season.
I have to give it to you Kubiak thats your most open & honest statement to date addressing the Texans OL

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Spencer ran 40's in 5.32 & 5.39 secs
Brown ran 40's in 5.39 & 5.45 secs

Brown and Spencer will lose a 40 yard foot race with Dwight Freeney everytime. Doesn't mean that they can't keep Freeney away from the QB. FWIW, Eric Winston ran his in 4.98 & 4.96 secs.
I'm not knocking on Brown. I was just saying that We all think Kubiak did a good job finding Spencer, and that Spencer was a good LT for what little time he played, I was wrong about Spencer being slower than Brown, but their times are still close enough to say 40 times doesn't matter as much as CowboysTexansfan might think.

If Kubiak likes him, he'll take him.

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There's always next year for LT got us in this position. I'd be disapointed if we didn't take him or some LT help in the draft. I'm also hoping for a good center prospect.

I honestly don't believe Kubiak is going that way. In fact, I think he drafted two great LT prospects last year with just that in mind.

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spot on ey
As I just said, I think Kubiak took precautions last year, and drafted two very good(great) LT prospects. One got hurt, the other did his training on the right side.

At least that's what I'm hoping Kubiak is thinking, because I just watched Indy vs KC in the first week of the play-offs again, & while Jordan Black is pretty athletic, and an asset in the run game, Dwight Freeney schooled him all day long in the passing game.
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i just can't see winston as an LT in the NFL. keep him at right.
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Anybody hearing any reports about how the Texans feel about Levi ?
We know they liked Quinn, but went a different way at QB because they didn't think there was much chance he'd make it to #8.
And they feel the same way about Peterson - really like him but don't believe
he'll last very long at all on the Draft Board.
But I've not heard any reports about how the Texans feel about Levi Brown,
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