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Old 03-23-2007   #1
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Default NFL.com:Inside the Schaub trade

Sorry if this was posted but this made sense to me.. yesterday I thought WTF at 2 #2 pics but


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March 22, 2007) -- Back when the Falcons first thought about trading Matt Schaub, they determined his value to be the middle of the first round. Atlanta believed the young quarterback was worth a mid-first-round pick, which happens to be a little over 1,000 points on the trade value chart.

Any combination of those points was going to be enough to pull the trigger on a trade. Anything less than that would probably mean Schaub staying in Atlanta as an insurance policy for Michael Vick.

A team slotted at 15 or 16 in the first round had the right compensation. A team in the top 10 could trade down with someone and then make a deal with Atlanta. But in the end, another creative way of arriving at the proper compensation was worked out between the two clubs.

Here's a look at the deal:

Atlanta's No. 10 pick is worth 1,300 points.
Houston's No. 8 pick is worth: 1,400 points.
The teams swap picks and it nets the Falcons 100 points.

The Falcons receive the Texans' 2007 second-round pick (No. 39) worth 510 points. Now the Falcons have 610 points.

The Falcons pick up the Texans' 2008 second-round pick. No one knows where that pick will wind up, so for now the only way to look at is the middle of the round. No. 48 is worth 420 points.

The Falcons acquire a total of 1,030 points on the trade value chart, splitting the difference between the value of Nos. 15 and 16 in the first round. The Falcons got what they were looking for and the Texans still have a top-10 pick in this draft and a first-round pick in the 2008 draft.
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In a sign-and-trade deal, Atlanta sent quarterback Matt Schaub to the Houston Texans for a second-round draft choice this year, a second-round draft choice next year and a flip-flop of draft positions in the first round this year. Atlanta now goes to No. 8 overall from No. 10; Houston goes to No. 10 from No. 8. And Schaub gets a blockbuster contract from the Texans, who are still paying for their draft decisions last year.

As if that weren't enough, there are plenty of other ripples from the trade that temporarily upstaged talk of the NCAA basketball tournament:

*Houston actually saves millions by ridding itself of Carr, switching two spots in the first round of the draft and surrendering its second-round pick this year.

Once Houston divorces Carr, the quarterback will count $2 million against the Texans' salary cap this season. But his $6.75 million base salary also will come off the Texans' books, meaning they will save $4.75 million against this year's salary cap.

Also, by dropping back two spots in the first round, the Texans will save another $2 million, and by trading its second-round pick, Houston will save another $4 million. All together, it's a financial boon -- much of it that will be used on Schaub's new contract.
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Default Re: NFL.com:Inside the Schaub trade

yup. contrary to public opinion it was not highway robbery.

we are drafting Schaub in the 2nd Round and we gave Atlanta a 2nd Round for grooming him for 2 years and making him more of an instant asset for the Texans...unlike Quinn or Russell and more of a long term asset than Plummer, Garcia, etc.

it was a good move and even if it doesnt work out, we only have $7 million in guarantees to Schaub

kudos to Rick Smith for making the tough decision for once in the Texan's history
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Good stuff Wolf. I've seen some of these numbers floating around the board, but no source for them.

Required reading for everybody that still thinks that we gave up too much for Schaub.
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Good stuff Wolf. I've seen some of these numbers floating around the board, but no source for them.

Required reading for everybody that still thinks that we gave up too much for Schaub.
I was in that boat..I thought we could get something but thinking about it ..say we traded him for a 3rd round pick (for example) how many 3rd round picks come with that much of a salary?
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The only problem I have with the article is they value next year's 2nd round as if it was this year's 2nd round pick. Conventional NFL wisdom is to value next year's pick at one round lower this year, i.e. a mid 3rd, or a couple hundred points less than what they had, and more like a 22+ pick in the 1st round total.
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The only problem I have with the article is they value next year's 2nd round as if it was this year's 2nd round pick. Conventional NFL wisdom is to value next year's pick at one round lower this year, i.e. a mid 3rd, or a couple hundred points less than what they had, and more like a 22+ pick in the 1st round total.
that is true infantry, but everyone knows we are actually going to pick 64th (or 32nd in the 1st )
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Wolf you get a rep! Here is another way of looking at it. Under the circumstances Houston was going to have to draft a QB by either moving up, which would have cost them additional draft picks (at least two twos for Quinn) or draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd RDs. Instead they traded for Schaub, so consider him a QB drafted in the early RDs, RD 2 to be exact and Schaub is your 2nd RD pick. Therefore the Texans swapped first RDs and only traded next years 2nd RD pick. That is about 550 value points, not 1020. The Texans have already used this years 2nd RD pick to select Schaub.
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Sorry if this was posted but this made sense to me.. yesterday I thought WTF at 2 #2 pics but




http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10080785

look at the very bottom of that page

his impression after talking to Schaub

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Matt Schaub, new Houston Texans quarterback: Schaub was so impressive after signing with the Texans that all Houston fans should get excited. He is so levelheaded and calm, talking with him reminded me so much of talking with Tom Brady. Humble, polite, yet very confident was what I came away with hours after he landed in Houston. He referred to his new teammates as his new brothers and it came out so naturally you just knew he meant it. I asked him what his college coach Al Groh meant by his statement "that the game came easy to Matt." Schaub's response was, "I know how to manage a game, give leadership in the huddle and on the field."
i think we got a good 1
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Also if this is true (taken off of the Colts MB)
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Which is a LOT less than if they signed him to an offer sheet... (that would have cost them a 1st and a 3rd) IF he is 1/2 as good as everyone thinks he is this is a drastic improvement for the Texans..
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The only problem I have with the article is they value next year's 2nd round as if it was this year's 2nd round pick. Conventional NFL wisdom is to value next year's pick at one round lower this year, i.e. a mid 3rd, or a couple hundred points less than what they had, and more like a 22+ pick in the 1st round total.
No doubt ! Most of us who know something about these things knew that
already, so wonder why the website didn't include it in their analysis ?
But that's theory, and so much of it is subjective and without real basis.
On the other hand, looks like the Falcons got what they expected based
upon, well, a theory.
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Default Re: NFL.com:Inside the Schaub trade

While we will not know till we see a season of play about the calibur of Schaub as a starter I really appreciate the research the FO did before pulling the trigger on this trade.

Some try to call this a panic trade of desperation, but that is hard to justify considering the folks the Texans interviewed (many associated with Schaub as a Falcon, or from college) to guage him. It is very clear that Kubiak liked what he saw more then Quinn, and even more then Plummer (who Kubiak knew very well). If Kubiak felt Schaub was better then any vet QB and better then even the first two QB in this draft, then the cost is reasonable to get someone that good. In addition Kubiak is betting his job and future as a HC on this choice, so one would think some careful thought of the options and risks were weighed.


I hope Schaub is like Brady or Leinart (or even 80% of their ability). Goodness knows we need someone that can make calm but quick decisions, has a sense of pocket presence, fire an acurate ball, and acts like an offensive leader. That is everything Carr is not (also has better footwork and arm mechanics). I am looking forward to seeing what an anti-Carr does with this offense. It certainly will not to be by dumbing down the playbook and handing off the ball three straight downs too many series.
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time value money sort of thing. Instead of giving up a 3rd this year...we give them the 2nd next year.

I think this trade worked out real well. The falcons get what they want and we don't have to give up a 1st round pick.
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Default Re: NFL.com:Inside the Schaub trade

But we could've drafted Vinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnce...

(Sorry, I couldn't resist!)

Great stuff, Wolf!!
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If we took a vet QB we were drafting a QB. Quinn was the one we were after according to ESPN and the NFL Network folks. It became clear that he wasn't very likely to fall to 8 and the price to move to the 2-3 range would be more than we were/are willing to pay. Given that and our poor QB play, the only viable move that wouldn't be just a bandaid, was Schaub. IMO, Schaub wasn't our first choice of how we wanted the QB issue to be solved, but it was the only practical and likely to succeed way. Still don't like giving up the 08 #2, but sometimes, that's just the cost of doing business when the options are limited.
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If we took a vet QB we were drafting a QB. Quinn was the one we were after according to ESPN and the NFL Network folks. It became clear that he wasn't very likely to fall to 8 and the price to move to the 2-3 range would be more than we were/are willing to pay. Given that and our poor QB play, the only viable move that wouldn't be just a bandaid, was Schaub. IMO, Schaub wasn't our first choice of how we wanted the QB issue to be solved, but it was the only practical and likely to succeed way. Still don't like giving up the 08 #2, but sometimes, that's just the cost of doing business when the options are limited.
IMO, the FO might have been stonewalled or met an obstacle with the ATL FO...went looking at Quinn, and then the two FOs got together over the next two weeks and were able to hammer out something that helps ATL jump ahead of Miami to ensure they can get Landry(as theorized by many in the media).

I don't think Schaub was the result of previous failed efforts by our FO to get Plummer, Quinn, etc. I think Schaub was thought to be too costly to acquire, and then something happened that drew the two FOs back together to get it done.

I say this because the combines and Pro Days were being held...and ATL probably decided they saw what they wanted and now was the time to move Schaub to ensure the iron was still hot with us.

Just my pet theory. Nothing born of fact. Just a theory.

I think we've wanted him for awhile now, and it just now worked out. I think QUINN would have been the band aid, and the Texnas finally capitulated to the Falcons demands once they came to their senses on the cost difference (draft pick cost) between Schaub and Quinn.
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I can't help but chuckle at all the crowing and preening Atlanta is spinning hard lately.

They know darn tooten well Schaub was the best quarterback on their team, but they can never admit they made a 100 million dollar mistake compared to our Carr mistake. You can't bench a 100 million dollar quarterback and expect the fans to keep coming.
Schuab forced their hand by refusing a contract extension. Falcons could not trade Vick so while they crow and spin now how they robbed the Texans blind, I strongly suspect this team gets the last laugh when we discover we got the second coming of Tom Brady. You know something is up when Michael Strayhan says they were concerned about Schaub coming into a game, and tried to avoid that occurrance when they prepped for the Falcons in games.
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Let's hope you're right.

I think he'll be great. But, anything can happen.

Atlanta is making the biggest gamble of the two teams. They've staked their future on Vick, and it has been working out for them only slightly better than it had worked out for us with Carr.

Vick is fun to watch. He's amazing, actually. But an NFL QB has to be able to cerebrally outwit defenses...and Vick lacks that quality, IMO. And "Yes" after seeing Schaub come into games and move the chains with relative ease, it makes a person wonder why they choose marketing $$$ over the chance for more wins.

Three of the 6 interceptions Schaub threw, as pointed out by a Falcons fan who came here to congratulate us, were flukes--3 of them were in come-from-behind attempts late in a game when the Falcons were down by a few TDs and Schaub was having to force things for a shot at winning...it wasn't a normal game experience.

I believe Carr has thrown 60 TDs and 65 INTs. I'll take the odds that Schaub doesn't match that ratio.
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1st RD - #8. ATLANTA - 100 Points

1st RD - #10. Houston Texans
2nd RD - #39. Houston Texans - MATT SCHAUB
3rd RD - #73 Houston Texans
4th RD - #105 Houston Texans
5th RD - #134 Houston Texans
6th RD - #170 Houston Texans
7th RD - #199 Houston Texans

2008 Texans traded 2nd RD pick to Atlanta. NFL trade value 420 Points.

TOTAL TRADE VALUE POINTS FOR MATT SCHAUB 520 POINTS. THE TEXANS WERE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO DRAFT A QB IN THE 2ND OR 3RD RD. THAT 2ND RD PICK IS MATT SCHAUB. THIS IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE 1040 POINTS SOME HAVE COMPARED IT TO. IN ACTUALITY HOUSTON ONLY GAVE UP (1) 2ND AND SWAPPED 1ST.
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This is the way I see it......We drafted Schaub in the 2nd round this year, but had to give up next year's 2nd to move up and grab him. Better than the Babin deal IMHO.
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