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Old 03-20-2007   #1
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what if Peterson is available come draft day @ #8?

I would have no problem taking him, but think of the offers?

Buffalo (12th) seems logical, we pick up an extra 3rd and move down only 4 spots. players who could be available are Okoye, Branch, Nelson, Carriker & Houston to name a few. plenty of prospects who could improve the Texans right?

Maybe a team like the Jaguars really want Reggie Nelson & know Carolina loves Nelson @ #14, FS being a huge need for all three teams & offer us their 1st rd. pick (17th) & 2nd rd. pick (48th) to get him?

so now the Texans are on the clock (17th) they have passed on Adrian Peterson (#8) & Reggie Nelson (#12) but have aquired two extra picks (#48 & #74).

for sheer fun I'll go ahead Mock this out & see what you think

#17 Darrelle Revis, CB Pitt 5114 204 4.38
#39 Charles Johnson, DE Georgia 6020 270 4.84
#48 Anthony Gonzalez, WR Ohio State 6000 193 4.44
#73 Eric Weddle, S Utah 5112 203 4.48
#74 Kevin Kolb, QB Houston 6031 218 4.85
#104 James Marten, OT Boston College 6074 309 5.08
#135 Doug Datish, C Ohio State 6041 302 5.13
#169 Kevin Boss, TE Western Oregon 6064 252 4.78
#200 Keith Jackson, DT Arkansas 6002 305 5.05

extra picks highlighted in bold
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what if Peterson is available come draft day @ #8?

I would have no problem taking him, but think of the offers?

Buffalo (12th) seems logical, we pick up an extra 3rd and move down only 4 spots. players who could be available are Okoye, Branch, Nelson, Carriker & Houston to name a few. plenty of prospects who could improve the Texans right?

Maybe a team like the Jaguars really want Reggie Nelson & know Carolina loves Nelson @ #14, FS being a huge need for all three teams & offer us their 1st rd. pick (17th) & 2nd rd. pick (48th) to get him?

so now the Texans are on the clock (17th) they have passed on Adrian Peterson (#8) & Reggie Nelson (#12) but have aquired two extra picks (#48 & #74).

for sheer fun I'll go ahead Mock this out & see what you think

#17 Darrelle Revis, CB Pitt 5114 204 4.38
#39 Charles Johnson, DE Georgia 6020 270 4.84
#48 Anthony Gonzalez, WR Ohio State 6000 193 4.44
#73 Eric Weddle, S Utah 5112 203 4.48
#74 Kevin Kolb, QB Houston 6031 218 4.85
#104 James Marten, OT Boston College 6074 309 5.08
#135 Doug Datish, C Ohio State 6041 302 5.13
#169 Kevin Boss, TE Western Oregon 6064 252 4.78
#200 Keith Jackson, DT Arkansas 6002 305 5.05

extra picks highlighted in bold
I love it. I would have only one problem with these picks.

#17 Darrelle Revis, CB Pitt 5114 204 4.38
#39 Charles Johnson, DE Georgia 6020 270 4.84
#48 Sidney Rice, WR SC
#73 Eric Weddle, S Utah 5112 203 4.48
#74 Kevin Kolb, QB Houston 6031 218 4.85
#104 James Marten, OT Boston College 6074 309 5.08
#135 Doug Datish, C Ohio State 6041 302 5.13
#169 Kevin Boss, TE Western Oregon 6064 252 4.78
#200 Keith Jackson, DT Arkansas 6002 305 5.05

Overall great mock, and great idea for a thread
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That would do a lot for our team...good thinking!
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The only positions that we didn't draft was RB and LB, how ironic is that because we skipped over AD.
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well we don't TRULY need AD we can pick up someone next year. as for LB we have barber, ryans, orr, wong, greenwood and clark. enough for me
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I love it. I would have only one problem with these picks.

#17 Darrelle Revis, CB Pitt 5114 204 4.38
#39 Charles Johnson, DE Georgia 6020 270 4.84
#48 Sidney Rice, WR SC
#73 Eric Weddle, S Utah 5112 203 4.48
#74 Kevin Kolb, QB Houston 6031 218 4.85
#104 James Marten, OT Boston College 6074 309 5.08
#135 Doug Datish, C Ohio State 6041 302 5.13
#169 Kevin Boss, TE Western Oregon 6064 252 4.78
#200 Keith Jackson, DT Arkansas 6002 305 5.05

Overall great mock, and great idea for a thread
I looked at Sidney Rice but passed because of two reasons:

1. he should be gone & I was trying to be as realistic as possible
2. Gonzalez is faster, can stretch the field for AJ & is familar being a #2 not a #1 like Rice.
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My only problem with it is for the simple fact that you are doing the same thing Casserly did with the O-line, drafting so late that it will not help for years if at all.
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The only positions that we didn't draft was RB and LB, how ironic is that because we skipped over AD.
resigning Dayne & our big F/A pick-up of Green takes care of RB along with Taylor & Lundy. LB is also coming around & much easier position to fill than cb, wr, de, ot, c, qb & dt
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My only problem with it is for the simple fact that you are doing the same thing Casserly did with the O-line, drafting so late that it will not help for years if at all.
I understand completely what your saying but this is no casserly draft, while both Marten & Datish will need to develop both are capable of becoming starters/anchors for the offensive line in a couple years when the stop gaps are finished.
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To a trade if AD is there, all I can say is

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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in mind this is only a starting point (gotta start somewhere) the possiblities are seemingly endless. the point is the Texans have alot of needs so it begs the question do you try & address as many needs as possible via the draft & build your core team with picks or have the confidence to put all your eggs in one basket so to speak.

I'm not afraid to take Peterson, Landry or Levi Brown with the 8th pick. all I'm trying to demonstrate are the dynamics of using the draft to add value to the picks. as you can see it allows you to address mutliple positions of need, maybe not with the best @ each position but as upgrades over what we currently have on the active roster.

by trading down you actually can still address those positions (lesser talent) plus in this case your future franchise QB & #2 WR. not sure if its worth it but something to think about
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in mind this is only a starting point (gotta start somewhere) the possiblities are seemingly endless. the point is the Texans have alot of needs so it begs the question do you try & address as many needs as possible via the draft & build your core team with picks or have the confidence to put all your eggs in one basket so to speak.

I'm not afraid to take Peterson, Landry or Levi Brown with the 8th pick. all I'm trying to demonstrate are the dynamics of using the draft to add value to the picks. as you can see it allows you to address mutliple positions of need, maybe not with the best @ each position but as upgrades over what we currently have on the active roster.

by trading down you actually can still address those positions (lesser talent) plus in this case your future franchise QB & #2 WR. not sure if its worth it but something to think about

Here are my thoughts, and as an old guy, I always look ahead. This year we do not even address the QB situation. That will be addressed in next year's draft when some premier guys come out. Out of the 5 college QB's next year, let's say 3 will be busts. So that leaves us a chance to get 1 of the 2 premier guys needed. This year's need is a franchise RB, hence Adrian Peterson if available. We do not need Brown, we have Spencer. We do however have to address the CB and Safety position in this draft as well as find a diamond in the rough WR to compliment AJ. Another OL wouldn't hurt either, but not with a first round pick.

Last year we saw many good players falling into the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It will also happen this year with defensive players. We will find some more gems like Ryans again. I have faith in the Texans now and know they will do the right thing. But trading down instead of taking a gem like Peterson is just ignorance.... IMHO
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I love this mock, but I don't see it happening. Trades take two, and they are so unpredictable.

I really like Gonzalez. I watched a lot of Ohio St football, and that guy can play for my team any day. I wouild love it if we got him with our 2nd rounder.

I also really like Weddle. I saw lots of film on him. Love him there in the 3rd. Heck, the guy played just about ever spot but water boy. I think he solves our FS problem. Putting him back there with Revis totally revamps our secondary, and with a yr of seasoning turns it into a strength.

The same can be said for Johnson at DE. That should turn our dline into a strength. Next yr we can think OLB early, and we should be rocking on D.

I don't mind where you have the lineman. I am familiar with Marten, but after that, I don't know much about the other guys.

All in all, if this came to fruition, I would be turning cartwheels. Which means it has no chance!
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I agree with trading away from AD because next years crop is going to be awesome! McFadden, Slaton, Rice, Cory Boyd SC, etc.
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I agree with trading away from AD because next years crop is going to be awesome! McFadden, Slaton, Rice, Cory Boyd SC, etc.
Now wait a minute. I can't let this pass...

In 1 voice everyone wants a new QB... In another voice everyone wants a franchise running back. You can only get 1 each year and not both in the same year. So we either take a RB this year and a QB next year, or visa versa. Can't have it both ways... How can you pass on a RB that can provide you with fans in the seats, scoring touch downs left and right, and possibly help turn this franchise around?
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That would be a great idea, but I'm not sold on DE Charles Johnson at all. We already have an undersized pass rushing DE in Babin. Most of my picks are different but I love your idea!

Here's my picks...

#17 Darrelle Revis, CB Pitt or Chris Houston CB Arkansas
#39 Brandon Merriweather, S Miami
#48 Sidney Rice, WR South Carolina
#73 Marcus Thomas, DT Florida
#74 Kevin Kolb, QB Houston
Rd. 3 via Carr....Quincy Black, OLB New Mexico
#104 James Marten, OT Boston College
#135 Scott Stephenson, C Iowa St.
#169 Selvin Young, RB Texas
#200 Cory Anderson, FB Tennessee

WOW, that would be a ridiculous draft! We be stacked and finally have a good secondary and Oline! IMO, Revis, Merriweather, Rice, Thomas and Black (at WLB) start immediatley. Stephenson and Marten start midseason while Young and Anderson rotate in games. Kolb gets groomed for next year or trash time. But it's a very, VERY long shot.
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I love this mock, but I don't see it happening. Trades take two, and they are so unpredictable.

I really like Gonzalez. I watched a lot of Ohio St football, and that guy can play for my team any day. I wouild love it if we got him with our 2nd rounder.

I also really like Weddle. I saw lots of film on him. Love him there in the 3rd. Heck, the guy played just about ever spot but water boy. I think he solves our FS problem. Putting him back there with Revis totally revamps our secondary, and with a yr of seasoning turns it into a strength.

The same can be said for Johnson at DE. That should turn our dline into a strength. Next yr we can think OLB early, and we should be rocking on D.

I don't mind where you have the lineman. I am familiar with Marten, but after that, I don't know much about the other guys.

All in all, if this came to fruition, I would be turning cartwheels. Which means it has no chance!
thanks, Porky

pretty much my thoughts exactly, this double trade down could solve the secondary (without including Landry or Hall) fix the DL (without taking Anderson, Gaines or Branch) & the OL (without taking Brown or Kalil) at least that was the intent. your also spot on about Gonzalez & Weddle these are the type of players you can build a team with
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That would be a great idea, but I'm not sold on DE Charles Johnson at all. We already have an undersized pass rushing DE in Babin. Most of my picks are different but I love your idea!

Here's my picks...

#17 Darrelle Revis, CB Pitt or Chris Houston CB Arkansas
#39 Brandon Merriweather, S Miami
#48 Sidney Rice, WR South Carolina
#73 Marcus Thomas, DT Florida
#74 Kevin Kolb, QB Houston
Rd. 3 via Carr....Quincy Black, OLB New Mexico
#104 James Marten, OT Boston College
#135 Scott Stephenson, C Iowa St.
#169 Selvin Young, RB Texas
#200 Cory Anderson, FB Tennessee

WOW, that would be a ridiculous draft! We be stacked and finally have a good secondary and Oline! IMO, Revis, Merriweather, Rice, Thomas and Black (at WLB) start immediatley. Stephenson and Marten start midseason while Young and Anderson rotate in games. Kolb gets groomed for next year or trash time. But it's a very, VERY long shot.
The only position you didn't pick was DE, but we have way too many of those.
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The only position you didn't pick was DE, but we have way too many of those.
If I can't have Jamaal Anderson then I don't want anyone else lol.
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I really can't understand the Jamaal Anderson hype machine, why just tonight (NFL network path to the draft) was listed as one of the players who was "sliding" & I don't mean up the draft boards. he has a real narrow frame & has put on about 15 pounds or so from his ideal playing weight. I'd take Carriker anyday & you don't need to spend a top 10 pick to get him
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