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Old 03-16-2007   #1
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Default How is Sage for Mobility?

Considering that there is a possibility of his starting, how mobile is Sage?
He looks like he's a little thick at the hips and waist. Do we have any 40 yard times for him? I never really saw him scramble last season, so I am curiouse.
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Don't know how fast he is, but in 17 games he has 10 yards net, rushing.
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Don't know how fast he is, but in 17 games he has 10 yards net, rushing.

His longest in 2005 12 yds
His longest in 2006 7 yds

His average is 0.08

I'd guess he's not very mobile.
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His longest in 2005 12 yds
His longest in 2006 7 yds

His average is 0.08

I'd guess he's not very mobile.
I will see how he did at that offensive juggernaut - Iowa State
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I will see how he did at that offensive juggernaut - Iowa State

COLLEGE: Was a four-year letterman at Iowa State from 1997-2000…finished with 4,164 passing yards with 19 touchdowns and 26 interceptions on 306-of-587 passing during his four-year career, including the last two as a starter…


I don't know but this stands out at you.
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2000 Iowa State.

Not too bad actually:
ATT YDS TD AVG.
78 372 10 4.77

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An excellent all-around athlete, Sage played football, basketball, baseball, tennis, and track and field in high school. Redshirted as a freshman at Iowa State in 1996, Rosenfels saw limited action in a combined 6 games during the 1997 and 1998 seasons. In 1999, he became the Cyclones starting quarterback and made his presence felt immediately. Although the team had a record of 4-7-0, Rosenfels was outstanding, with 1,781 passing yards (127-235) and 10 touchdowns. He also ran 80 times for 225 yards and 4 touchdowns, and his 2,006 yards of total offense was the tenth best single-season mark in school history. A marketing major, Sage was named second team Academic All Big 12, and received Iowa State's Academic Achievement Award.

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COLLEGE: Was a four-year letterman at Iowa State from 1997-2000…finished with 4,164 passing yards with 19 touchdowns and 26 interceptions on 306-of-587 passing during his four-year career, including the last two as a starter…


I don't know but this stands out at you.

ouch. and a 50% passer to boot.
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Default Re: How is Sage for Mobility?

How mobil is Tom Brady??

It's far more important to avoid the rush, then be mobile (in terms of a runner/scrambler)

I will take Tom Brady or Payton Manning over Michael Vick any day.

Both can intuitively feel the rush, slide step, and deliver a strike far better than the golden boy can. But, everyone gets all enamored with footspeed or running ability and thinks that is better. Sage is not real elusive or fast in the open field, and is not a running threat, but if he can avoid rushers and deliver the ball on target, then that's all I really care about.

If you can get both attributes ala John Elway, all the better, but those guys come around once in a blue moon.
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Montana was mobile without elite running ability

You have to be able to waggle, roll out, and throw on the move in most WCO versions.
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How mobil is Tom Brady??

It's far more important to avoid the rush, then be mobile (in terms of a runner/scrambler)

I will take Tom Brady or Payton Manning over Michael Vick any day.

Both can intuitively feel the rush, slide step, and deliver a strike far better than the golden boy can. But, everyone gets all enamored with footspeed or running ability and thinks that is better. Sage is not real elusive or fast in the open field, and is not a running threat, but if he can avoid rushers and deliver the ball on target, then that's all I really care about.

If you can get both attributes ala John Elway, all the better, but those guys come around once in a blue moon.


Nobody even invoked the "Golden Boy's" name. But thanks now that you have I guess we can just let her rip.


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Default Re: How is Sage for Mobility?

Not that it defines a players mobility. Here's a few QBs 40 times I've found

Sage Rosenfels 4.71
Tom Brady 5.27
Donovan McNabb 4.64
Carson Palmer 4.65
Tony Romo 5.01
Eli Manning 4.90
Ben Rfsgfgberger 4.75
Philip Rivers 5.08
Matt Schaub 5.04

So, as far as 40 times go, Sage is right there. This is a decent website to obtain some good info. IMO, the shuttle and 20 yd will better determine mobility if anything can.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...xpos&order=ASC
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Not that it defines a players mobility. Here's a few QBs 40 times I've found

Sage Rosenfels 4.71
Tom Brady 5.27
Donovan McNabb 4.64
Carson Palmer 4.65
Tony Romo 5.01
Eli Manning 4.90
Ben Rfsgfgberger 4.75
Philip Rivers 5.08
Matt Schaub 5.04

So, as far as 40 times go, Sage is right there. This is a decent website to obtain some good info. IMO, the shuttle and 20 yd will better determine mobility if anything can.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...xpos&order=ASC


Hey, that's pretty darn good. Thanks for the info.
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Hey, that's pretty darn good. Thanks for the info.
Yeah, I was kind of surprised to see that Sage ran that fast. He just doesn't look to be a speed demon for a QB. I don't know, maybe it's his ears that make him look slow. lol
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http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/a...els050903.html

Here's a good article on Sage at Miami-sound familiar? He out played all the other QB's each pre-season was stuck on the bench. Like a lot of us , many Dolphin fans wanted Sage to be given a chance...

He does not have a history of getting sacked at the college or pro level, unlike Carr did during his 1 'break out' season at FS (between 30-40 sacks).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...insight_gamer/

...a little more info on Sage at Iowa State. Unlike Carr, he did not walk into a 'winning' tradition but left with a 9 win season/bowl victory his SR year. JMO, but it's kinda nice to hear that we have a QB on the roster that has done things the old fashioned way--he 'earned' them.

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Dont even bring up Brady, Thats a joke, and Brady is more mobile than Sage. I know everyone hates Carr, I get that. SAGE IS NOT BETTER!! He is not the savior of this team. If he takes Carr's place it will be for one year! People will be begging for a new Qb by Nov.!! Rosenfels is a career back up for a reason, and hes backed up some not so great Qbs. Hes dropped behind every single Qb the Dolphins put on there roster. Jay Fiedler, Ray Lucas!!, Brian Griese, Gus Frerotte, A.J Feeley, and then was dropped for Cleo Lemon and Shane Matthews.. Wow, what a list of hall of famers.
Ohh, forgot Jason Garrett too!!
He is not a starter for a reason, and he will never start for prob. any team except maybe the texans this year, because everyone is so focused on running the other Qb out of town.
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He is not a starter for a reason, and he will never start for prob. any team except maybe the texans this year, because everyone is so focused on running the other Qb out of town.
not all of us are california guys who are hanging on to Carr's glory days. Carr only threw 1 more TD of any consequence than you did in the last ten games....most of us Texan types want change...simple stuff.
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Sage looked pretty fast after the botched field goal when he made the tackle and broke his hand. That wasn't on the track though, maybe he just plays hard.

Wait! That would be a good thing!
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Riggghhhtt, its called reality, I think Carr should be traded also, I just dont have this blind hate, and want to replace him with someone worse.. People want him gone so bad its scary, people talking about lets give up our 2nd pick and our 3rd pick and Carr, so we can move up 5 spots to get a rookie QB who wont be ready to lead the team, or lets get AP and use Sage, cuz hes so awesome, pleaseee. We need all the picks we can get.
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Dont even bring up Brady, Thats a joke, and Brady is more mobile than Sage. I know everyone hates Carr, I get that. SAGE IS NOT BETTER!! He is not the savior of this team. If he takes Carr's place it will be for one year! People will be begging for a new Qb by Nov.!! Rosenfels is a career back up for a reason, and hes backed up some not so great Qbs. Hes dropped behind every single Qb the Dolphins put on there roster. Jay Fiedler, Ray Lucas!!, Brian Griese, Gus Frerotte, A.J Feeley, and then was dropped for Cleo Lemon and Shane Matthews.. Wow, what a list of hall of famers.
Ohh, forgot Jason Garrett too!!
He is not a starter for a reason, and he will never start for prob. any team except maybe the texans this year, because everyone is so focused on running the other Qb out of town.
Well, the only thing we know for sure is that CARR is definitely not a starter...period. What in the world are all you Carr 's gonna do when Sage brings us out of the 'dark' ages....course Carr didn't leave much of a 'legacy' for any QB to 'blow away' with his 12td avg (couldn't even match that last year) and his more int than tds.

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Riggghhhtt, its called reality, I think Carr should be traded also, I just dont have this blind hate, and want to replace him with someone worse.. People want him gone so bad its scary, people talking about lets give up our 2nd pick and our 3rd pick and Carr, so we can move up 5 spots to get a rookie QB who wont be ready to lead the team, or lets get AP and use Sage, cuz hes so awesome, pleaseee. We need all the picks we can get.

Who is saying Sage is awesome? I simply think he is better than Carr. It's like saying I think my Toyota is better than a Chevy. Doesn't mean I mistake my Toyota for a Lexus, but it does mean I would rather drive it than a Geo Prism. Is your answer that we should stay with the Prism simply because we cannot afford a Lexus?

Secondly, we really don't know how good (or bad) he is until he plays for a consistent stretch and other teams game plan for him. I don't think many of us consider him the long term answer though you never know until he plays. Tom Brady was a 6th rd pick entrenched on the bench until the starter got hurt. It's hard to evualate a guy who doesn't play. Do you not think people can actually better themselves throughout their career, or is how they are in one year mean that is always how they will play?
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