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Old 03-16-2007   #1
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As one O-line coach beating the trails all month said, "Last year, Marcus McNeill was the 50th player selected and the fourth tackle taken off the board. I haven't seen a player like him yet."

Another line coach said, "Jeremy Trueblood was a guy I thought went too high in the draft last year as the seventh tackle taken at No. 59, but I would take him over the players I have seen right now."
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trueblood? that stiff-hipped mammoth? he likes him over joe thomas, eh?
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Default Re: Many experts saying this is a weak Draft for OTs

It takes experts this long to determine that? I've been saying it for months and so have some on this board alone. When Levi Brown is mentioned as a possible top 10 pick, and Joe Staley as a possible first rounder...you know you have a weak OT class. There is Joe Thomas and then nothing. It's why the class next year is going to have at least 3 OT's rated with Joe this year. THe cream of the crop will be Gaither. After that it's a battle between Long and Baker at this point, and I would bet all three are regretting pulling their names from this draft. Also, watch out for the OT at Miami, both the Senior Trueblood and the Soph Symmonette. Both are Houston boys, and both are damn good.
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Default Re: Many experts saying this is a weak Draft for OTs

well overall this is a considerable weaker OT draft class than last year...i mean last year we had ferguson, trueblood, mcneil, winston, justice, spencer, scott, etc

this year we got thomas, brown, and probably martin

staley is a guy who a lot teams are not going to like...for a lot of teams he's probably considered more of a pulling guard than a LT due to his size...remember a lot of teams don't run the zone blocking scheme and want bigger guys

tony ugoh had a chance to really excell put failed miserably at the senior bowl

ryan harris is considered soft on the field

a lot of the other tackles in this draft are probably moving to guard in the pros like blaylock, sears, hall, frye, and barbe

then we have a lot of guys who are pretty much unknown like free, henderson, koets, and taylor

so as far as this class compared to last years there is a big drop off in talent between the 2nd tackle and the third...last year that wasn't the case
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Default Re: Many experts saying this is a weak Draft for OTs

Didn't Kiper say that last season's OT crop was thin? And 11 offensive tackles drafted in '06 became starters at some point in the season. There are tackles out there, it's up to good organizations to find and develop them.
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last year's class was supposed to be mega-elite.
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last year's class was supposed to be mega-elite.
And next years class will be pretty dang elite as well. Gaither is better than Thomas; and Baker, Long, and Trueblood are better than Levi Brown and 10x better than the other OT's this year.
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Gaither is better than Thomas; and Baker, Long, and Trueblood are better than Levi Brown
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And next years class will be pretty dang elite as well. Gaither is better than Thomas; and Baker, Long, and Trueblood are better than Levi Brown and 10x better than the other OT's this year.

I don't know about Gaither being better than Thomas...Thomas is a beast....He's better than D'brick, and I don't see Gaither quite on that level.....

And IMO, Levi Brown isn't better than Charles Spencer or Eric Winston who were both taken in the third...I think he's a big strong guy, but he doesn't show the footwork, and quickness I like to see out of a LT. Especially in our system.
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last year's class was supposed to be mega-elite.
Said who?

There was one offensive tackle taken in the 1st round of the 2006 NFL draft. One. That was the fewest number of tackles taken in the opening round since 1990.

Yes, quite the draft expert you are.
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Default Re: Many experts saying this is a weak Draft for OTs

Aren't you glad Smith took care of our LT in Free Agency?
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Said who?

There was one offensive tackle taken in the 1st round of the 2006 NFL draft. One. That was the fewest number of tackles taken in the opening round since 1990.

Yes, quite the draft expert you are.
actually i was referring to the beginning of the '05 season when it looked like there'd be as much as 5-6 OT's taken in the first round in '06. things changed. which is the point i'm making now.

and yes, i am a draft expert. thank you.
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I got a OT sleeper, Jermon Bushrod, Towson. He was a four year starter, and has good size.
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It takes experts this long to determine that? I've been saying it for months and so have some on this board alone. When Levi Brown is mentioned as a possible top 10 pick, and Joe Staley as a possible first rounder...you know you have a weak OT class. There is Joe Thomas and then nothing. It's why the class next year is going to have at least 3 OT's rated with Joe this year. THe cream of the crop will be Gaither. After that it's a battle between Long and Baker at this point, and I would bet all three are regretting pulling their names from this draft. Also, watch out for the OT at Miami, both the Senior Trueblood and the Soph Symmonette. Both are Houston boys, and both are damn good.
Totally off-topic, but what kind of puppy is that in your picture?
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There are tackles out there, it's up to good organizations to find and develop them.
I think you are right on the money!

Playing tackle, especially left tackle, is a skill position that requires oustandanding footwork with great hand technique. It really isn't something someone is born with, it's developed over time like in a trade (carpenter or jeweler).

Proper scouting and player development are the key ingredients.
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actually this draft class is considered AVERAGE per a certain well known paid site (I'm paraphrasing) & last year was ABOVE AVERAGE maybe the reason the Texans where inclined to use both 3rd rd. picks on OT's.

after 5 years of enept, troublesome tackle production, that seemingly destroyed the #1 overall draft prospect from 2002, I'm flabbergas'ed @ the low level of knowledge about the position and the inability to grade and value it, really boggles the mind

Knowing what we know now one would think OT is not only a need but a priority. with only two 1st rd grades handed out to this years class if one is available when you pick he should at least be considered.

Levi Brown has excellent body control & feet. good reach, size & strength. most importantly he has the ideal mental approach & competitive drive to work hard & get better while dominating his opponents. after watching tackle prospects come & go for the last five years via the draft he is worth a top 10 grade.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson should have been considered in 06 at least in some trade down scenero, excellent in pass protection, I like the way he sets his wide base, very athletic (way more so than Joe Thomas) oh yeah but I forgot his forty time (5.31) must really have hurt his chances since we all know just how important a LT's forty time is Marcus McNeil should have been a 1st rd. pick but there where health/back issues (would hope there was some medical data to support his slide to #50). the infamous trade down bypassing DJ then seeing New Orleans draft a tackle thought only good enough to play RT was a big mistake, afterall Jammal Brown just went to the Pro-Bowl as a LT (why because they are so freakin hard to find). oh yeah the 2005 class was also considered ABOVE AVERAGE yet all we have to show for it is Drew Hodgdon.
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actually this draft class is considered AVERAGE per a certain well known paid site (I'm paraphrasing) & last year was ABOVE AVERAGE maybe the reason the Texans where inclined to use both 3rd rd. picks on OT's.

after 5 years of enept, troublesome tackle production, that seemingly destroyed the #1 overall draft prospect from 2002, I'm flabbergas'ed @ the low level of knowledge about the position and the inability to grade and value it, really boggles the mind
beerlover i can't agree more...the only problem is with the signing of jordon black the staff did that to lower the need of OT in the draft...spencer will probably be ready by the season opener but not in pre-season...black will more than likely be our opening day starter at LT with winston maning the RT

that being said tackle is a position i wouldn't feel is satisfied until we have a pair of tackles we know will be here for years and who don't have constant injury problems along with blocking problems...i feel that winston is the guy at RT but LT is still a question mark...regardless whether or not spencer is able to come back this season i must admitt the staff has put is in a better situation at this position than we have been in the past...we know we have a durable back-up who can step in when needed (salaam) and we have two guys who'll battle it out for the starting job (spencer and black)
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Playing tackle, especially left tackle, is a skill position that requires oustandanding footwork with great hand technique. It really isn't something someone is born with, it's developed over time like in a trade (carpenter or jeweler).
But a player has to have the right physique (tall, atleast 6'5", and long as in long arms, large enough frame); natural foot & hand dexterity-motor skills,
a certain degree of natural muscualr strength. And the right mental disposition.
A lot of it is developed, but there are traits that the player has or doesn't have. Period.
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But a player has to have the right physique (tall, atleast 6'5", and long as in long arms, large enough frame); natural foot & hand dexterity-motor skills,
a certain degree of natural muscualr strength. And the right mental disposition.
A lot of it is developed, but there are traits that the player has or doesn't have. Period.
Brad Hopkins played at a pro bowl level at 6'3" for many many years. He was a beast at LT. He was one of Mike Holovak's great picks...everyone said he reached for him when we took him....Holovak and Hopkins had the last laugh on that one.
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Brad Hopkins played at a pro bowl level at 6'3" for many many years. He was a beast at LT. He was one of Mike Holovak's great picks...everyone said he reached for him when we took him....Holovak and Hopkins had the last laugh on that one.
Sure, you're right there's exceptions. The best guy the Texans ever managed to put out there at LT was in the 6'3"-6'4" range. Its not a hard and fast rule that teams are inflexible about. But its atleast a guideline they look to, and the ideal guy they look for would definitely have dimensions that include that minimum 6'5" measurement.
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