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Old 03-15-2007   #1
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Default Levi Brown talk? Seriously?

Look - let's think back a little - the Levi Brown talk ONLY started because the Texans are on the fringe of the top 7 or the 'BIG 7!' ONLY THEN...did people look at who was drafting where.

"Well, it's the Texans - of course they need line help. Who's the next LT in the draft? Levi Brown? Yeah! Let's put him in at #8."

- - a creation was born - -

Now, everyone thinks that Levi Brown is a top 10 pick. He is NOT a top 10 pick and he ain't going in the top 12-15. He's simply not that great of a prospect. Granted, he's a solid, solid lineman but really no more so than someone in the 3rd round. You simply can't waste a 'play-maker' pick on a guy who is ABSOLUTELY a reach at 8. He's actually a reach at 12. I'm talking a reach!

He's solid but come on guys - if you don't get a play-maker, trade down and get picks. Laron Landry is THE BEST FS in this draft bar none. Oh yeah - We don't have a FS on the roster - period. He runs a 4.3 and that takes a backseat to his 'football instincts' and playmaking ability and confidence.

I like Landry, yes, but if AD or JT or CJ were there, I'd grab them!!

But here's what hurts us as a team
and this is UNDENIABLE - if the other team runs a seam (Lee Evans, Reggie Wayne, Stallworth, etc...) we are FLAT OUT DEAD! CC can't cover back there. His 4.6 - 4.7 speed is destroyed time and time again as is Glenn Earl's. PLus, they're not FS, they're SS. They play the run decent but against the pass, their instincts are NON-existent.

I think Earl could be fine at SS but we REALLY need a stud 'Troy P' type of play-maker in that secondary. Grab Chris Houston in the 2nd rd and we've got something brewin'!!

Look, I want the sexy pick as well but then I break it down.

AP - LOVE HIM, WANT HIM, but can get by with Green, Dayne, and Chris Taylor.

Quinn - LIKE HIM but also like Kolb and Beck about the same in later rounds.

Joe T - Now you're talking.
CJ - Now you're talking.

Would I move up to get one of those 2 guys? Yep! (Depending, of course)

If not, I take my version of Troy P. and I use him the exact same way Pitt does. Blitz, fake the blitz, cover, play LB, play CB, HIT, YELL, SCREAM, etc...

Just MHO -
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Default Re: Levi Brown talk? Seriously?

why does everyone think Chris Houston will be available in the second round?? He is EASILY a mid first rounder.
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Default Re: Levi Brown talk? Seriously?

Seriously, I thought all the Levi Brown talk started around the Senior Bowl.

But... don't you think it's kinda funny that our "biggest need" is free Safety and who happens to be the eight best player in this draft??

I know there are a few astute fans who mentioned a weakness at FS before the '06 season. But our coach said he was pleased with what we had at Safety, and I have not seen one thing to suggest he might feel otherwise.

Hey, I'm fine drafting Laron Landry, as the BPA at #8, but I don't by FS being anymore of a need than RB.

QB, CB, DT, WR. Our biggest needs, top to bottom.
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Default Re: Levi Brown talk? Seriously?

I say we take the best available player in this order. And these are the only players that have a realistic chance to being available.

1. Adrain Peterson
2. Brady Quinn
3. Laron Landry
4. Gaines Adams or jammal anderson
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Look - let's think back a little - the Levi Brown talk ONLY started because the Texans are on the fringe of the top 7 or the 'BIG 7!' ONLY THEN...did people look at who was drafting where.

"Well, it's the Texans - of course they need line help. Who's the next LT in the draft? Levi Brown? Yeah! Let's put him in at #8."

- - a creation was born - -

Now, everyone thinks that Levi Brown is a top 10 pick. He is NOT a top 10 pick and he ain't going in the top 12-15. He's simply not that great of a prospect. Granted, he's a solid, solid lineman but really no more so than someone in the 3rd round. You simply can't waste a 'play-maker' pick on a guy who is ABSOLUTELY a reach at 8. He's actually a reach at 12. I'm talking a reach!

He's solid but come on guys - if you don't get a play-maker, trade down and get picks. Laron Landry is THE BEST FS in this draft bar none. Oh yeah - We don't have a FS on the roster - period. He runs a 4.3 and that takes a backseat to his 'football instincts' and playmaking ability and confidence.

I like Landry, yes, but if AD or JT or CJ were there, I'd grab them!!

But here's what hurts us as a team
and this is UNDENIABLE - if the other team runs a seam (Lee Evans, Reggie Wayne, Stallworth, etc...) we are FLAT OUT DEAD! CC can't cover back there. His 4.6 - 4.7 speed is destroyed time and time again as is Glenn Earl's. PLus, they're not FS, they're SS. They play the run decent but against the pass, their instincts are NON-existent.

I think Earl could be fine at SS but we REALLY need a stud 'Troy P' type of play-maker in that secondary. Grab Chris Houston in the 2nd rd and we've got something brewin'!!

Look, I want the sexy pick as well but then I break it down.

AP - LOVE HIM, WANT HIM, but can get by with Green, Dayne, and Chris Taylor.

Quinn - LIKE HIM but also like Kolb and Beck about the same in later rounds.

Joe T - Now you're talking.
CJ - Now you're talking.

Would I move up to get one of those 2 guys? Yep! (Depending, of course)

If not, I take my version of Troy P. and I use him the exact same way Pitt does. Blitz, fake the blitz, cover, play LB, play CB, HIT, YELL, SCREAM, etc...

Just MHO -
agree, with every word, but i would rather have Neslon or Landry at the 8 nobody else, and i think chris houston is gone by late first
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Seriously, I thought all the Levi Brown talk started around the Senior Bowl.

But... don't you think it's kinda funny that our "biggest need" is free Safety and who happens to be the eight best player in this draft??

I know there are a few astute fans who mentioned a weakness at FS before the '06 season. But our coach said he was pleased with what we had at Safety, and I have not seen one thing to suggest he might feel otherwise.

Hey, I'm fine drafting Laron Landry, as the BPA at #8, but I don't by FS being anymore of a need than RB.

QB, CB, DT, WR. Our biggest needs, top to bottom.
I'm convinced Joe Staley or Doug Free would better suit the Texans' needs at tackle than Levi, and they could be had for less than Levi would cost. However, I think the Texans needs are still: OT, C, DT, CB, and S (not necessarily in that order).

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I say we take the best available player in this order. And these are the only players that have a realistic chance to being available.

1. Adrain Peterson
2. Brady Quinn
3. Laron Landry
4. Gaines Adams or jammal anderson
5. Levi Brown
I say take Levi and Quinn of the list, but otherwise, I like what you've got and the order you've got. As long as we are getting any combination of Adrian Peterson/Jamal Anderson/Gaines Adams/Alan Branch/Laron Landry, then I'll be very happy.
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Default Re: Levi Brown talk? Seriously?

I think I read into today's paper that the coaches want to start TJ and Maddox at DT? I really can't see any way at all that this staff, including the owner, could 'sell' Branch to this city. This city knows we need someone - we don't just need a Jamal Anderson or Alan Branch - we need a 'franchise' RB, or a 'franchise' WR, or a 'franchise' LT, WR, FS. I really think that's what we 'need' to hear.

If this team comes away with a Joe Thomas, Laron Landry, Calvin Johnson, or Adrian Peterson, then I think we'll all 'feel' like we were successful in our first round. i also think if we traded down to mid-to-low first round and came away with a 'Lynch and Houston', 'Levi and Carricker', etc..( Examples only - reeeelax) then I think we could be sold on that as well.

Other teams are looking for additions - we're looking for cornerstones, IMHO.

And yes, Houston will probably be gone by late first. If so, I grab Kolb with our 2nd or Troy Smith with our 3rd for our QB to develop.
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I think I read into today's paper that the coaches want to start TJ and Maddox at DT? I really can't see any way at all that this staff, including the owner, could 'sell' Branch to this city. This city knows we need someone - we don't just need a Jamal Anderson or Alan Branch - we need a 'franchise' RB, or a 'franchise' WR, or a 'franchise' LT, WR, FS. I really think that's what we 'need' to hear.

If this team comes away with a Joe Thomas, Laron Landry, Calvin Johnson, or Adrian Peterson, then I think we'll all 'feel' like we were successful in our first round. i also think if we traded down to mid-to-low first round and came away with a 'Lynch and Houston', 'Levi and Carricker', etc..( Examples only - reeeelax) then I think we could be sold on that as well.

Other teams are looking for additions - we're looking for cornerstones, IMHO.

And yes, Houston will probably be gone by late first. If so, I grab Kolb with our 2nd or Troy Smith with our 3rd for our QB to develop.
Kolb with a second would be retarded. Grab O-Line help in the second...Staley, Ugoh, Kalil...get a stud DT/DE if the O-Line guys are gone.

After Quinn and Russell, there are some nice QB prospects that can be had in the third and fourth, possibly even a fifth round guy without wasting a second round pick on a system QB.
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Kolb with a second would be retarded. Grab O-Line help in the second...Staley, Ugoh, Kalil...get a stud DT/DE if the O-Line guys are gone.

After Quinn and Russell, there are some nice QB prospects that can be had in the third and fourth, possibly even a fifth round guy without wasting a second round pick on a system QB.
I mean Kolb if we go QB in the 2nd. Of course, for the astute, we may go CB, WR, OT, C, RB, LB, or FS to which there would be another player taken.

If Carr's traded, we're drafting a QB. 'If' Kubes is in love with Kolb as others down here report, then you must take him in the 2nd because he will not be there in the 3rd.

I don't know though, you could be right and perhaps I am indeed 'retarded.' However, with that said, I mean, they did draft 2 OL starters in the 3rd last year.... so uhh......yeah, I don't really see why they MUST take a OL in the second, the approved choice for avoidance of retardation. Remember, everyone here can simply repeat what everyone else says and just change the positions.

Watch - here's an example (let's hope it doesn't digress into the dreaded 'retarded' mindset.)

Your quote - (It came after the 'retarded' crack)
"there are some nice QB prospects that can be had in the third and fourth, possibly even a fifth round guy without wasting a second round pick on a system QB."

My quote -
"there are some nice DT prospects that can be had in the third and fourth, possibly even a fifth round guy without wasting a second round pick on a system DT."

Luckily, even though we know these are 'opinion' boards, we continue to point out all others who reside and critique are simply manifestations of a draft psychosis...to which they could be right...or not...or could be...or not...or they could be.....


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Stanton is a much better option IF we go QB in the second round than the system kid from Cougar High. We got more pressing needs than a QB in the second. If we take a QB on Day one, I hope it's Quinn with the first.
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I'm going Landry in the first ... a better prospect than Brown .

I think they'll take a WR in the 2nd . Real deep WR draft and you can get a value pick .

I think they pick either Kolb , Trent Edwards , John Beck here .

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I think I read into today's paper that the coaches want to start TJ and Maddox at DT? I really can't see any way at all that this staff, including the owner, could 'sell' Branch to this city. This city knows we need someone - we don't just need a Jamal Anderson or Alan Branch - we need a 'franchise' RB, or a 'franchise' WR, or a 'franchise' LT, WR, FS. I really think that's what we 'need' to hear.

If this team comes away with a Joe Thomas, Laron Landry, Calvin Johnson, or Adrian Peterson, then I think we'll all 'feel' like we were successful in our first round. i also think if we traded down to mid-to-low first round and came away with a 'Lynch and Houston', 'Levi and Carricker', etc..( Examples only - reeeelax) then I think we could be sold on that as well.

Other teams are looking for additions - we're looking for cornerstones, IMHO.

And yes, Houston will probably be gone by late first. If so, I grab Kolb with our 2nd or Troy Smith with our 3rd for our QB to develop.
wait.......huh?!
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why does everyone think Chris Houston will be available in the second round?? He is EASILY a mid first rounder.
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Your quote - (It came after the 'retarded' crack)
"there are some nice QB prospects that can be had in the third and fourth, possibly even a fifth round guy without wasting a second round pick on a system QB."

My quote -
"there are some nice DT prospects that can be had in the third and fourth, possibly even a fifth round guy without wasting a second round pick on a system DT."
What exactly is your definition of a "system DT" I dd not know tha there were DT pospects that were throwing p crazy good stats b ecause of the type of Defensive scheme theyplayed in. Clue us in because right now that statement seems to make very little sense.
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yeah i know correct. The post was lacking sense. It all flew out the door when you mentioned Kolb in the second.
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Stanton is a much better option IF we go QB in the second round than the system kid from Cougar High. We got more pressing needs than a QB in the second. If we take a QB on Day one, I hope it's Quinn with the first.
That is your opinion, and just curious tsipper, but how many games did you watch Stanton screw up at michagan state?
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yeah i know correct. The post was lacking sense. It all flew out the door when you mentioned Kolb in the second.
Kolb won't go in the second? Yeah...ok. Find a Rockets board.

Or....next time, feel free to elaborate (That means to expand or add more) on which part of the post makes someone of your ilk collect his thoughts and respond with such an eloquent, "huh?!"

When that happens, I will certainly respond to your unbridled passion toward my post, one which prompted said reply of 'huh' - a reply that was question and exclamation at once...an entanglement of literary physics, if you will??!!
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