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Old 03-14-2007   #1
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Default What kind of Cap hit would we take if we traded Babin??

I like the guy, I think he's a football player. but I think we could get a first day pick for him.

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anyway, anyone know his contract situation, and what kind of hurt we'd take if we traded him??
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I like the guy, I think he's a football player. but I think we could get a first day pick for him.

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anyway, anyone know his contract situation, and what kind of hurt we'd take if we traded him??
He's signed through 2009 with a cap hit close to 1.5 million for 2007 and 1.6 million for 2008.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap.html
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He's signed through 2009 with a cap hit close to 1.5 million for 2007 and 1.6 million for 2008.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap.html
2.075MM according to Keith's numbers

Edit: That is the dead money potentially against 2007's cap. The total hit is the 2.075MM less the 2007 base salary which would be avoided (735K) for a net 1.34MM hit

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Default Re: What kind of Cap hit would we take if we traded Babin??

I am convinced Weaver is not the answer at DE and is better suited at DT. Kalu is a good backup. That leaves Babin as the only answer to get pressure opposite Mario and that is not saying much. I don't understand people clamoring for Branch and Okoye when DE is the weak spot on the D line.

Right now is not a good time to think about trading Babin.
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I am convinced Weaver is not the answer at DE and is better suited at DT. Kalu is a good backup. That leaves Babin as the only answer to get pressure opposite Mario and that is not saying much. I don't understand people clamoring for Branch and Okoye when DE is the weak spot on the D line.

Right now is not a good time to think about trading Babin.
I think that clamoring is because on the right side, you can kinda go by commitee, but in the middle, we need help - especially after cutting Payne. Both views have merit, because the end result is we still have needs everywhere...
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I am convinced Weaver is not the answer at DE and is better suited at DT. Kalu is a good backup. That leaves Babin as the only answer to get pressure opposite Mario and that is not saying much. I don't understand people clamoring for Branch and Okoye when DE is the weak spot on the D line.

Right now is not a good time to think about trading Babin.
Weaver isn't "best suited" for DT. He's best suited for strong side DE, or maybe a DE in a 4-3.

And the reason Okoye would be good for us is because then we could afford to play Weaver at DE, because Okoye is the kind of DT that's going to put pressure on the QB from inside.
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Default Re: What kind of Cap hit would we take if we traded Babin??

If we're going to be starting TJ (and I realize, that's a pretty big "if") I'd almost rather have a run-clogger in the middle with him. Some big piece of humanity like Fat Tony Siragusa.
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I like the guy, I think he's a football player. but I think we could get a first day pick for him.

Maybe.

anyway, anyone know his contract situation, and what kind of hurt we'd take if we traded him??
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Weaver isn't "best suited" for DT. He's best suited for strong side DE, or maybe a DE in a 4-3.

And the reason Okoye would be good for us is because then we could afford to play Weaver at DE, because Okoye is the kind of DT that's going to put pressure on the QB from inside.
Weaver showed last year that he cannot get any pressure on the QB as illustrated by his 1 sack total. He is more effective on the inside. Babin who played a lot less than Weaver was able to get 5 sacks.

You got Weaver, Johnson & Johnson, Maddox, Dalton, Zgonia, and Killings for DTs. You only got Williams, Kalu and Babin at DE. IF you can't see the disparity there and the lack of sacks I can't help you.
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Default Re: What kind of Cap hit would we take if we traded Babin??

The fact that they signed Zgonia today should also tell you they won't be taking a DT on day 1.
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The fact that they signed Zgonia today should also tell you they won't be taking a DT on day 1.
That would have been my first thought also, but then I thought.... Not necessarily... What I am seeing is the Texans doing, is stock piling something we have never had as a team... DEPTH..
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The fact that they signed Zgonia today should also tell you they won't be taking a DT on day 1.
He's not exactly Roger Clemens at that age.
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Weaver showed last year that he cannot get any pressure on the QB as illustrated by his 1 sack total. He is more effective on the inside. Babin who played a lot less than Weaver was able to get 5 sacks.

You got Weaver, Johnson & Johnson, Maddox, Dalton, Zgonia, and Killings for DTs. You only got Williams, Kalu and Babin at DE. IF you can't see the disparity there and the lack of sacks I can't help you.

LOL @ you for thinking Weaver is better suited for DT than SDE.
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The fact that they signed Zgonia today should also tell you they won't be taking a DT on day 1.
Yeah because he's the answer.


Your logic is flawed.
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Default Re: What kind of Cap hit would we take if we traded Babin??

I like the Zgonina signing. It's not an area of desperate need, but leadership from a solid veteran is never a bad idea. Plus, now maybe we'll get rid of Thomas Johnson.
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LOL @ you for thinking Weaver is better suited for DT than SDE.
Weaver played DE in Baltimore's 3 -4 which is equivilant to a DT in a 4 -3.
As a DE in a 4 -3 he is not very good at putting pressure on the QB. AS Mario can attest by all his double teams and Weaver's 1 sack. In regards to this thread about trading Babin, the Texans would do better by keeping Babin and trading Weaver.
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Weaver played DE in Baltimore's 3 -4 which is equivilant to a DT in a 4 -3.
As a DE in a 4 -3 he is not very good at putting pressure on the QB. AS Mario can attest by all his double teams and Weaver's 1 sack. In regards to this thread about trading Babin, the Texans would do better by keeping Babin and trading Weaver.
It'd be better for our team if Weaver could play DT, but he is best suited for strong side DE.

And LOL @ your lilttle equivilency explanation. That means absolutely nothing. Teams play players where they want to.
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I like the guy, I think he's a football player. but I think we could get a first day pick for him.

Maybe.

anyway, anyone know his contract situation, and what kind of hurt we'd take if we traded him??
Why would anyone give a 1st day pick for him? I think a 6th or 7th is more probable.
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Why would anyone give a 1st day pick for him? I think a 6th or 7th is more probable.
Arlington, I hate it when you tell it like it is, especially when it hurts so much.
But Babin's worth is much more likely to be a Sunday Draft pick than a Saturday Draft pick.
Right now Babin is 'bout our only annswer at weakside DE. Weaver can't give
us the kind of explosiveness, quickness we need from that spot. They've
actually released our best pure rusher, and he's got a Clevland address last time I heard.
Weaver could play strong-side end, which would mean moving Mario to the
inside. And this could happen, since after last year many are feeling that Marios natural position in the NFL is at DT.
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I'd hate to trade Babin at this point, and that really speaks poorly on our D-line.

But he's really the only threat we have in the pass rush department. If anything he'd be good depth.
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