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Old 10-23-2004   #61
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In the first 2 games Davis was in the top 5 in NFL in total yards. If he doesn't fumble (and that's a big if) people would be talking about how special he is. No one on this board would disagree that the fumbles are unacceptable but I really feel that 2.9 vs. 3.7 is an function of the zone blocking scheme working better. Wells is doing nothing special nor doing anything different than he has done his first 2 years. If there isn't a whole he gets nothing, if there is then he gets a couple. If Davis continues to fumble or lets nagging injuries hinder his performance then make a change. Until then I personally think that the offense is better with Davis in the ball game. Just my opinion.
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In the first 2 games Davis was in the top 5 in NFL in total yards. If he doesn't fumble (and that's a big if) people would be talking about how special he is. No one on this board would disagree that the fumbles are unacceptable but I really feel that 2.9 vs. 3.7 is an function of the zone blocking scheme working better. Wells is doing nothing special nor doing anything different than he has done his first 2 years. If there isn't a whole he gets nothing, if there is then he gets a couple. If Davis continues to fumble or lets nagging injuries hinder his performance then make a change. Until then I personally think that the offense is better with Davis in the ball game. Just my opinion.

Well said, and I could'nt agree more.

If we do have to "make a change", it better be to someone other than Wells. I hope ol' John boy proves me wrong. I would like to see Wells turn into the type of back that his physical presense suggests he should be.
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Let's just assume that DD keeps starting and continues to play the way he has been this year (including fumbles per carry). At some point in every game, let's just say start of second half, Wells comes in and runs for 3.7 yards per play. How long until some of you guys change your mind and decide to start Wells and just wait for DD to get it back together? Would some of you say to just always start DD over Wells no matter what, until we got somebody that we don't have now (or DD improves again)? Let's just ignore Hollings for this question, because I consider him a real question mark right now. I have no idea what he would or wouldn't do if he was healthy and played an entire game for us.
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Let's just assume that DD keeps starting and continues to play the way he has been this year (including fumbles per carry). At some point in every game, let's just say start of second half, Wells comes in and runs for 3.7 yards per play. How long until some of you guys change your mind and decide to start Wells and just wait for DD to get it back together? Would some of you say to just always start DD over Wells no matter what, until we got somebody that we don't have now (or DD improves again)? Let's just ignore Hollings for this question, because I consider him a real question mark right now. I have no idea what he would or wouldn't do if he was healthy and played an entire game for us.

That is all this thread has been about is DD keeps starting and play the same including fumbles,so instead lets just assume that DD comes in and rushes for 125 and no fumbles would that change the minds of the wells backers to come around?{probably not) but he did get Rookie Of The Year last year and that was earned fair and square.So sorry can't assume your dream is better than mine>
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That is all this thread has been about is DD keeps starting and play the same including fumbles,so instead lets just assume that DD comes in and rushes for 125 and no fumbles would that change the minds of the wells backers to come around?{probably not) but he did get Rookie Of The Year last year and that was earned fair and square.So sorry can't assume your dream is better than mine>
I'm dealing with reality....not dreams. You can dream about DD rushing for 125 yds. and no fumbles this season, but I have as yet to see that happen. What I have seen is DD fumble 4 times in 2 games and then either stink it up or sit out hurt for the other 4 games. Meanwhile, Wells has shown a descent average and held on to the ball. That's not a dream. It happened this year.

You can hope that DD turns back time, just like we all will, all you want, but I want to know how long you'd keep sticking him back in there if he doesn't. What if we don't even draft another RB? Does DD just keep starting through next year, too, even if he's still sub-par? I don't believe that RB is a position where you get better with experience. It's a position where you get old really fast with experience. Wells isn't going to be any franchise back, but right now he's the best we've got. DD can change that in just a few plays, but he's got to do it and I see no reason to keep feeding him the ball until he chokes on it. Getting your chance and having to start every game, while keeping others on the bench, are not the same thing and we've won 3 out of 4 with Wells playing the majority of the time.

The first game, DD fumbles twice. Game 2: DD doesn't play and we win. That's what I wanted to do. Since then, well, you know how it's gone. It really surprises me that people will ride a sick horse like this. When his ypc started going WAY down after having the first two Double Drop games, I thought we'd all see that he needed to sit out, most of the time, until he proved he was ready to come back. Do we want to win games or just watch our favorite players, whether they stink or not? If Jeff Bagwell hits .067 next year, I say they should sit his butt down. If the crowd wants to see Baggs at that point, they can watch taped games on their VCRs. Actually, you know, I suspect that Baggy would sit his own butt down in that scenario, lol.

I don't know if it's even necessary to say this, but I have no affinity for Wells. If he plays bad, he's out (assuming somebody can play better and is healthy). I feel the same way about DD. Of course, you already know that. If hollings were healthy, I'd be glad to see him get his chance, but he'd probably cough up the ball. I don't care. I just want this team to win as much as they can and I don't want to see DD starting every game, regardless of what he most likely will do, just because he has more long term potential, which may or may not be all used up. I believe DDs going to do what he's going to do, regardless of how much or how little he plays in between now and then. In other words, losing games with him now is not necessary to get him to come out of a slump. He'll come out of it when he comes out of it--if he ever does. If anything the coaches do will wake him up, it's letting him sit on the bench and worry about his job. That might do it right there--possibly.

Personally, if I had to guess right now, I'd say that Davis is done. He wasn't expected to do what he did last year and a lot of RBs have one great year and then fall back to reality. I'm not saying to get rid of him, but I don't really expect him to be a franchise player. He's already proven to be injury prone just like everyone worried about before he even came here. He definitely deserves a job in the NFL, though. Maybe not as a starter. RBBC sounds pretty good, when and if he gets it back together.

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We need to keep in mind that the texans are using a new blocking scheme, that DD maybe hasn't gotten use to. I don't know I'm not him, but I think DD is more of a threat than Wells.
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We need to keep in mind that the texans are using a new blocking scheme, that DD maybe hasn't gotten use to. I don't know I'm not him, but I think DD is more of a threat than Wells.
If Davis wasn't used to the new blocking scheme, then more than likely none of our RB's would be used to it either. Davis problems are fumbles and trying to play with nagging minor injuries.
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I like DD. Last year everybody was on his bandwagon. Now nobody wants him back there. I think he will bounce back.
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I like DD. Last year everybody was on his bandwagon. Now nobody wants him back there. I think he will bounce back.
Although I was impressed by his performance last year, I never "jumped on his bandwagon". I'm not saying that he sucks or we should get rid of him. I just think we should be starting the guy who is getting the job done, and right now that is Wells. I will say this, if Davis' injury and fumbling problems do not stop by the end of the season, I think we should look at drafting a RB in the upcoming draft or signing a free agent RB.
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Although I was impressed by his performance last year, I never "jumped on his bandwagon". I'm not saying that he sucks or we should get rid of him. I just think we should be starting the guy who is getting the job done, and right now that is Wells. I will say this, if Davis' injury and fumbling problems do not stop by the end of the season, I think we should look at drafting a RB in the upcoming draft or signing a free agent RB.
Amen to this! I want DD to succeed more than anyone, but right now he is not doing what he did last year. I welcome him to come back to that form anytime like anyone else. The name of the game is move the ball and score more points, and Wells hasn't given any reason to think he hasn't helped with that.
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Theres no question Davis is the better Back he hits the holes quicker and lets not forget hes ALOT better reciever than Wells .
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Theres no question Davis is the better Back he hits the holes quicker and lets not forget hes ALOT better reciever than Wells .
I never said Wells was a better back, my point is you have to play the man who is getting the job done, and right now that is Wells. And let's not forget, Davis has had a habit of coughing up the ball this year.
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nothing aganst DD, but it sure seems we run a better offense without DD. I don't why or what. Just seems we become one diminsional with DD (run,run, and if we pass it goes to DD). Not sure if it is Carr or what

seriously, I hope both backs succeed, but I don't see any of them putting a fear into a defense. they are both solid grind it out backs but not explosive. (no disrespect)
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it seems to me.. based on interviews and such.. that the coaches have slowly come around to the fact that our passing game is too good to tuck away. Before, we wanted that running game.. that is how our coaches "like" to play.. but now.. I dont think it is quite as important to them as the passing game is. Now, I think we can expect that even with DD out there, we will use him just to take pressure off Carr and keep the defense guessing.. not as our main offensive weapon.

Before, we would throw him out there and run him into the ground... I dont think we would do the same now.

basicly what im trying to say is that if DD goes out now, I doubt he would have any negative influence on our play.. since he wont be overused.
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Are you saying he has no talent? Are you saying that anyone can play RB for our team and put up Well's like numbers? Look what he did against the Raiders D line. If Wells gets taclked when touched, I guess Davis will go down if you just look at him because Wells is averaging almost 1 yard more a carry than Davis.
Sometimes a good back will go down when he's touched. That's smart football. Ask Earl Campbell, William Andrews and Jamal Anderson, all of whom had to retire before their time. All of these backs were tough, punishing backs, but all of those needless hits they subjected themselves to for a yard or two cost them years at the end of their careers.
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Give DD the ball and put him on a short leash. He already knows he's on a short leash but maybe the Capers can exercise his right to sit the boy down. Bottom line, DD fumbles 1 or can't find a hole within a few possessions then you put in Wells. If Wells can't get it done then you continue the running game with a RB by committee type of attitude. I think that will make one or the other step up. It's not like it's the QB position where Wells or Domanick are in true leadership roles. They both have a lot to prove as the run is obviously our weakness in the offense. "That's about all I got to say about that" - Forrest Gump
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Im still waiting to see Hollings.
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How does it spell disaster? Compare their stats, compare our teams performance when Wells plays vs. Davis, compare our turnover ratio when Wells plays vs. Davis.

Game 1 vs. San Diego, Davis starts, 4 turnovers, Texans loss.
Game 2 vs. Detroit, Davis starts, 3 turnovers, Texans loss.
Game 3 vs. Kansas City, davis starts, plays first half, 1 turnover first half, Houston losing 7 to 6. Wells comes in second half, no turnovers, Houston wins 24-21.
Game 4 vs. Oakland, Wells starts, plays entire game, 1 turnover the entire game, Houston wins 30-17.
Game 5 vs. Minnesota, Davis starts, plays entire game, no turnovers, Texans lose.
Game 6 vs. Titans, Davis starts, plays 1st half, 2 turnovers 1st half, Houston up 13-10 halftime. Wells plays second half, no turnovers second half, Texans win.

ok i see your point but in game 6 davis had nothing to do with the 2 turnovers,,,it was Carr so i dont think that can be put on davis,,,plus we still had the lead. Give him a break he'll be healthy this week for the jags game get 125 yars and this thread will disappear for ever with yall hoping noone finds it !!! Davis is in a slump he will come out of it and produce well for us !
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Never in my wildest dream would I see a thread equating Wells to Davis, but hey, you can't argue the numbers. Wells is really playing good this year and it was hard for any of us to evaluate a player behind the line of 2002. I personally like the way Wells is used. As a running back, not as a reciever.
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Never in my wildest dream would I see a thread equating Wells to Davis, but hey, you can't argue the numbers. Wells is really playing good this year and it was hard for any of us to evaluate a player behind the line of 2002. I personally like the way Wells is used. As a running back, not as a reciever.
No joke SES... in all fairness. Wells didn't have the WR's to spread the field when he started like DD has or an OL like they have now
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