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Old 03-09-2007   #1
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"The St. Louis Rams had head coach Scott Linehan and defensive coordinator Jim Hasslett on hand for the workout. The team loves every bit of Carriker’s game, character and personality. They feel he is capable of holding down the defensive tackle spot and has the ability to comfortably add upwards of 35 pounds to his frame.

It is unlikely Carriker ever makes it to the Rams selection at number 12 and the team realizes this.

The Miami Dolphins have been hot on Carriker’s trail recently. The Washington Redskins, one of the few teams not in attendance at the Nebraska pro-day, are also set to fly him into their facility as early as next week. Carriker is scheduled to fly to Philadelphia and meet with the Eagles in the coming days."


naturally you have to start thinking about carriker and the texans, now.
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"The St. Louis Rams had head coach Scott Linehan and defensive coordinator Jim Hasslett on hand for the workout. The team loves every bit of Carriker’s game, character and personality. They feel he is capable of holding down the defensive tackle spot and has the ability to comfortably add upwards of 35 pounds to his frame.

It is unlikely Carriker ever makes it to the Rams selection at number 12 and the team realizes this.

The Miami Dolphins have been hot on Carriker’s trail recently. The Washington Redskins, one of the few teams not in attendance at the Nebraska pro-day, are also set to fly him into their facility as early as next week. Carriker is scheduled to fly to Philadelphia and meet with the Eagles in the coming days."


naturally you have to start thinking about carriker and the texans, now.

Thanks for the post. Nice call on him BTW. Went from no one knew who he was to a top ten pick. Versitillity of being able to drop form a 4-3 to a 3-4 in an instant , might have some folks drooling. Washington needs a d lineman for sure. Maybe they are just tring to sweeten the pot for a deal. moving down for picks.
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"The St. Louis Rams had head coach Scott Linehan and defensive coordinator Jim Hasslett on hand for the workout. The team loves every bit of Carriker’s game, character and personality. They feel he is capable of holding down the defensive tackle spot and has the ability to comfortably add upwards of 35 pounds to his frame.

It is unlikely Carriker ever makes it to the Rams selection at number 12 and the team realizes this.

The Miami Dolphins have been hot on Carriker’s trail recently. The Washington Redskins, one of the few teams not in attendance at the Nebraska pro-day, are also set to fly him into their facility as early as next week. Carriker is scheduled to fly to Philadelphia and meet with the Eagles in the coming days."


naturally you have to start thinking about carriker and the texans, now.

good point, but I like Okoye upside more. but if you are so inclined compare the two, enlighten us
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good point, but I like Okoye upside more. but if you are so inclined compare the two, enlighten us
well, they're different players. both have graet quickness off the snap though. they can get in the backfield fast. carriker is more versatile. he can play anywhere on the d-line. and he has no problem with it:
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The 6-6, 296-pound Carriker played defensive end on the heavy side of a 3-4 alignment, always on the tight end’s side, usually lined up right over the tackle. He was often charged with two-gap responsibilities. That is, he would try to neutralize one (or sometimes two) offensive linemen and try to stop whatever came through the gap on either side of him. The ends are vitally important in a 3-4, but the defense is designed to spill most of the actual tackles to the active linebackers.

Thus, a talented defender like Carriker can finish the 2006 season with 52 tackles, seven sacks, an interception and three passes defensed – excellent production regardless of the circumstances – and leave the impression that his numbers could have been even better.

That position Carriker played his final two seasons at Nebraska is known as the “Base” defensive end, and he played it well enough to earn Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year honors.

“It doesn’t help you a whole lot, no,” said Carriker of the scheme and the final statistical resume he has submitted to the NFL. “It’s got to be an unselfish [player at Base end] because you’re not going to make a lot of plays. It’s not designed for you.

“But it helps the team, and that’s why we did it.”
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Truth is, it’s difficult to find a defense in which Carriker is not a good fit.

He is big enough to play end in the 3-4, which requires a player strong enough to play inside while linebackers often rush off the edge. He isn’t too big, however, to play the more traditional end spot in a 4-3, where his 4.8-second 40-yard dash speed would come in handy. And the Buccaneers obviously felt he could make an impact as an “under tackle” sort, given their Senior Bowl experimentation.

Carriker believes, too, that he is well suited for any of those positions, as well as nose tackle (that just about covers it). He is also more than willing to try his hand at any position.

“A lot of teams like me as a 3-4 end because of my size," he said. "I’m obviously used to the 4-3 end and the 4-3 three-technique is fine with me, too, because I like being closer to the quarterback. One of the things teams like about me is my versatility. Some teams even mentioned they would play me at nose a few plays. I can do any of that.

“It really doesn’t matter to me. Whatever teams want from me, I’ll do. I did it at Nebraska and had no problem with it. If they want me to play three-tech, want me to play a 4-3 end, 3-4, whatever, I’ll play.”
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In high school, he was a quarterback, starting as a sophomore, junior and senior at Kennewick (Washington) High School. Carriker believed that position was going to be his ticket into college football. However, as his senior year approached, the Kennewick coaching staff, needing help on the defensive side of the ball, asked him to become a two-way player. Carriker added defensive end to his duties and, lo and behold, found his true calling. Fifteen sacks later, he was headed to Nebraska as a defensive end.

“The team needed it,” he said, simply. “That just turned out to be my thing, I guess.”
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“I can easily put on 10-15 pounds; I could easily lose 10-15 pounds,” said Carriker, knowing one weight or another might be ideal for his specific position. “Weight for me is not an issue; I can do whatever I want.”

He’ll have a chance to prove that in the NFL.
so not only is the guy extremely versatile, but he's also a huge team guy. the kind of player everyone wants on their team.

the problem i have now with okoye is his flucuating weight. listed as 317 all year long, he shows up at the senior bowl 30 pounds lighter. 30 pounds. at the combine, he's back over 300. huh? where is his playing weight exactly? it's the difference between investing in a 3-4 nose or a 4-3 under tackle. huge difference, and teams may be concerned over where he will ultimately play based on the weight.
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the problem i have now with okoye is his flucuating weight. listed as 317 all year long, he shows up at the senior bowl 30 pounds lighter. 30 pounds. at the combine, he's back over 300. huh? where is his playing weight exactly? it's the difference between investing in a 3-4 nose or a 4-3 under tackle. huge difference, and teams may be concerned over where he will ultimately play based on the weight.

its a known fact throughout College ranks measureables are somewhat overstated, for instance height & weight. doubtfull if he ever had a true playing weight of 317. I think his true playing weight is 300 +/- 5 lbs. also beleive he worked out to get his natural playing weight down before the senior bowl to impress scouts/nfl coaches with his speed and explosion off the line. looks like he could play DE similar to Mario if the scheme & team needed him too.

I was also impressed with Carriker. he uses his hands extremely effective, quick & strong. not sure why but he reminds me alot of Oakland Raider great Ted Hendricks both are around 6'7" hendricks was lean & wirey however around 230 or so thats a 60 pound difference, but stylistic both seem like playmakers who are disruptive, versatile & relentless.

I would hate to see the Texans trade up & give up a 3rd pick when they need so much. a better idea would be to trade down & choose value & add another quality pick. 10-15 range the Texans could take CB Leon Hall/Darrel Revis, LB Patrick Willis, DE/DT Carriker/Anderson/Okoye, LT Levi Brown or FS Reggie Nelson. then add a 3rd rd. QB to develop or player who fits the system/value to fill another starting roster position.
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I would hate to see the Texans trade up & give up a 3rd pick when they need so much. a better idea would be to trade down & choose value & add another quality pick. 10-15 range the Texans could take CB Leon Hall/Darrel Revis, LB Patrick Willis, DE/DT Carriker/Anderson/Okoye, LT Levi Brown or FS Reggie Nelson. then add a 3rd rd. QB to develop or player who fits the system/value to fill another starting roster position.
That's what I'm talking about !
RS & the Texans have sworn they would only increase Draft picks by trading
down instead of reducing them by trading up, but I dunno what they've got up their sleeve ?
Dunno what to think about all of this talk, this posturing about having a strong interst in BQ all of a sudden instead of AD ?
I really lean towards the theory that this is a smokescreen, and they do have
an interest in a certain QB, but not BQ in the 1st round.
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lol we should draft him and play him as DE and QB
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I would hate to see the Texans trade up & give up a 3rd pick when they need so much. a better idea would be to trade down & choose value & add another quality pick. 10-15 range the Texans could take CB Leon Hall/Darrel Revis, LB Patrick Willis, DE/DT Carriker/Anderson/Okoye, LT Levi Brown or FS Reggie Nelson. then add a 3rd rd. QB to develop or player who fits the system/value to fill another starting roster position.
You see though...that would make too much sense.

If we traded down a smidgen and got an extra 3rd. we'd have 4 1st day picks. 3 of whome i would bet would start the 2007...and if we got a QB w/ one of the 3rds...i'd think we'd have all 4 starting by 2008. We'd also have all 4 starting from the 2006 draft.

So by 2008 season, 8 of our starters (offense and defense) would have been drafted on the 1st day of the two previous drafts. That would be awesome and EXACTLY how you rebuild the team...not by giving up draft picks to target 1 certain player...IS CASSERLY STILL HERE!!!???
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You see though...that would make too much sense.

If we traded down a smidgen and got an extra 3rd. we'd have 4 1st day picks. 3 of whome i would bet would start the 2007...and if we got a QB w/ one of the 3rds...i'd think we'd have all 4 starting by 2008. We'd also have all 4 starting from the 2006 draft.

So by 2008 season, 8 of our starters (offense and defense) would have been drafted on the 1st day of the two previous drafts. That would be awesome and EXACTLY how you rebuild the team...not by giving up draft picks to target 1 certain player...IS CASSERLY STILL HERE!!!???
As it stands, the Texans need quantity over quality.

I'd be surprised if we traded any draft picks to move up to get anyone but Brady Quinn.

Carriker is a good DE, but as with any other player, I fail to understand why players' stocks rise based on single workouts while they're in their under armour. I know all the arguments that people make and it still blows my mind to see people shooting up draft boards based on one 40 time....one or two L-Drills....

Players are at the Combine, Pro Day, individual workouts, etc. with next to nothing on, no pads, no helmet, no defense coming at them, nobody trying to block them coming full speed at them, but yet it's supposed to mean something when they do well....?? I don't buy that.

I'm not putting any player down that does well at these things, I'm just questioning this entire process. Sure, it's nice to have a 40 time in the back of your head just to have an idea of what they're capable of running, but...I think you guys see my point.
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because they're PROSPECTS. they're not finished products. they're basically just athletes with a little bit of playing experience under their belt.
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At the moment I want SF to draft Carriker or Okoye at the #11 spot.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/in...kouts#nebraska
Adam Carriker DE Carriker (6-6, 291) ran 4.73 and 4.72 in the 40.
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Carriker had a very good workout at Nebraska's Pro Day.
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I really like his teammate Jay Moore as well

Jay Moore DL Moore (6-4¾, 274) ran 4.74 and 4.76 in the 40.
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bradley will be a good one, too.
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because they're PROSPECTS. they're not finished products. they're basically just athletes with a little bit of playing experience under their belt.
BTW I need to bow to you, you stated months ago your view on this guy and you are right.
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At the moment I want SF to draft Carriker or Okoye at the #11 spot.
same here, but who knows how far he may drop
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Carriker will be a 49er come draft day.
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