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Old 03-03-2007   #1
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Default Why do we want tp take all of Denver's misfits?

If these rumors are true about the Carr/Plummer trade and we pick up Lelie, then we are building a team of Denver misfits. This doesn't appear very attractive to me. In fact, it is the same strategy that Casserly employed when he put the initial Houston roster together. Kubs etal need to step up and be a man about putting a team together, not go after Denver dropouts.

Plummer and Carr are one in the same in my mind -Losers.
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If these rumors are true about the Carr/Plummer trade and we pick up Lelie, then we are building a team of Denver misfits. This doesn't appear very attractive to me. In fact, it is the same strategy that Casserly employed when he put the initial Houston roster together. Kubs etal need to step up and be a man about putting a team together, not go after Denver dropouts.

Plummer and Carr are one in the same in my mind -Losers.
ummm....plummer was traded to tampa for conditional pick in 08 and lelie has signed with the 49ers. so highly unlikey they are coming here. so dont worry about it too much.
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If these rumors are true about the Carr/Plummer trade and we pick up Lelie, then we are building a team of Denver misfits. This doesn't appear very attractive to me. In fact, it is the same strategy that Casserly employed when he put the initial Houston roster together. Kubs etal need to step up and be a man about putting a team together, not go after Denver dropouts.

Plummer and Carr are one in the same in my mind -Losers.
Plummerr was traded to the Bucs and Lelie signed with the 49er's
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ummm....plummer was traded to tampa for conditional pick in 08 and lelie has signed with the 49ers. so highly unlikey they are coming here. so dont worry about it too much.
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They know our system and we don't have enough guys on our team that know the sytem well enough for us to just sign some guy and teach him the system. Putzier was basically a tight ends coach last year. The TE's knew which routes to run, but Putzier told them why they ran those routes. Same thing goes to Salaam.
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They know our system and we don't have enough guys on our team that know the sytem well enough for us to just sign some guy and teach him the system. Putzier was basically a tight ends coach last year. The TE's knew which routes to run, but Putzier told them why they ran those routes. Same thing goes to Salaam.
I agree with you on system. It is not our guys are terrible(Not great, may be OK) some of them just do not fit Kubiak's system.

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Default Re: Why do we want tp take all of Denver's misfits?

So is that why we don't get rid of Carr? So he won't have to be subjected to learning a system. I mean he's doing so well here!

And aren't all these guys professionals? I've got a job where I have to learn new things all the time.....it's really not that hard. So a player not fitting a system is pure crap!
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So is that why we don't get rid of Carr? So he won't have to be subjected to learning a system. I mean he's doing so well here!

And aren't all these guys professionals? I've got a job where I have to learn new things all the time.....it's really not that hard. So a player not fitting a system is pure crap!
Try picking up a thousand page book, memorize the plays, and know where you're supposed to be and why.
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Try picking up a thousand page book, memorize the plays, and know where you're supposed to be and why.
for 7,000,000 dollars?

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Default Re: Why do we want tp take all of Denver's misfits?

It has to do with familiarity. They've been coached by Kubiak and Sherman so they know what they can get out of that player. With FAs, some teams take such a risk not knowing exactly what the player will bring to the table. Going for players that they've coached before brings a level of security and familiarity.
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Going for players that they've coached before brings a level of security and familiarity.
Which has nothing to do with getting the best players available.
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Which has nothing to do with getting the best players available.
That has more to do with how deep our pocketbooks are, and at the moment their about as deep as a college student's . . .
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Default Re: Why do we want tp take all of Denver's misfits?

I'll amend my comment to "Which has nothing to do with getting the best players available at about the same price".

I find it hard to believe that so many of the only players we can afford have previous ties to the coaching staff.

Surrounding yourself with your own guys may be comforting but it can also limit the players you look at.

Exhibit A: Brad Bedell. What does he bring to the team outside of the fact he played for Sherman? What was the official excuse for the two sacks he gave up in the 10 minutes he played last year - he wasn't ready? Hire a stranger who is ready next time.

Exhibit B: Focus on Plummer. If the Texans really wanted an older QB, they could have pursued Garcia harder and maybe landed him.

Exhibit C: Ephraim Salaam. Good locker room guy according to some. They need good players more than a happy locker room at this point.

Exhibt D: Samkon Gado. I'm underwhelmed.

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The comfort level works both ways. Maybe the players who have ties to our current coaches are the only ones we can convince to come here. Consistency in the win department might change that.
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Default Re: Why do we want tp take all of Denver's misfits?

The main reason we'd even look at Lelie & Plummer, is because of what they had been through in '06, and the success they had with Kubiak. Their tails should be between their legs, and we should've been able to get them cheap.

If cheap wasn't part of the deal, I doubt either of them would have been Texans.
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The way I look at it, especially with Plummer, is that you have basically 2 coaches once one of these guys is brought in. They know the system and the hope is they get the rest of the team up to speed and skip some of the learning curve. Once some of the younger guys see what winning is all about or how successful the system can be, it will be engrained in them. That is what alot of teams do. You bring in leaders and players who teach others those things. It helps with rookies, guys who haven't experienced winning and it helps the teams mental nakeup.
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What you're see in some of these GB and Denver singings is mostly stop gap players or transition players. The talent level on this team for the most part isn't up to par. That's where these signings come into place while we draft players to fit the needs we want. I think most of it is the fact they've worked with these players before and know what they area capable of and the players know what the coaches generally will be asking of them.

I think these last cuts are going to trim just about all of the old fat off this team. The Moulds one was a bit puzzling but i guess they expected more production out of him despite the offensive ineptitude this year. I would've prefered the leadership value he brought in over the last year and how it seemed to rub off on Johnson well. Speaking of him....Brilliant resign and restructure done on his contract extension. Just wonder if Walter is the man enough to step up and bea #2 or if we're going to adress that spot FA or in the draft. If Sidney Rice or Bowe is there in the second and if a few other options aren't looking so hot i'd consider pulling the trigger on one of those two.

Another smart draft and a solid FA season we could be looking to make noise next year in the AFC south.
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Why not? They have a better record than us.
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If these rumors are true about the Carr/Plummer trade and we pick up Lelie, then we are building a team of Denver misfits. This doesn't appear very attractive to me. In fact, it is the same strategy that Casserly employed when he put the initial Houston roster together. Kubs etal need to step up and be a man about putting a team together, not go after Denver dropouts.

Plummer and Carr are one in the same in my mind -Losers.
Because the Texans are the worst organization in the NFL
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Because all the Green Bay misfits are not available?
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