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Old 02-25-2007   #121
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See everyone always brings up how sage almost came back in the Tenn. game and won with the same players. No one ever mentions the second time we played the jags and carr got hurt. Sage came in at the 4th quarter, he was 1/3 9yds and had a sack. So if your goin to use stats from the Tenn. game im gonna use stats from the jags game seems fair right? all im saying is its an unfair comparison unless you talk about all game rather than just the good ones. Just to also point out, if anyones interested that second jags game, go back and watch carr and how he handles the entire game, he did wonderful in my opinion. just spectacular so yes i acknowlege hes had bad games but i will be the first to point out his good ones. just my 2 cents
First of all, I was just correcting the guy above me who said David had 5 fumbles, & 2 int's in that game.

I'm going through now, watching all the games again. I just watched the first Jax game, and that was definitely a good game for David. He started off slow, but really came on in the fourth.

Now SAge in that second game, he threw the ball 3 times... What could you have expected?? 100 yds?? 3 for 3??
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First of all, I was just correcting the guy above me who said David had 5 fumbles, & 2 int's in that game.

I'm going through now, watching all the games again. I just watched the first Jax game, and that was definitely a good game for David. He started off slow, but really came on in the fourth.

Now SAge in that second game, he threw the ball 3 times... What could you have expected?? 100 yds?? 3 for 3??
Owen Daniels caught it and fumbled or something or it would have been 2/3 ... but #%$^ it we don't make excuses anymore for anybody .
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dont forget Saga stats in Dallas too...

Carr... I hope this year you will get more talent you you deserve... hopefully a consistant running game and at least a average O-Line
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First of all, I was just correcting the guy above me who said David had 5 fumbles, & 2 int's in that game.

I'm going through now, watching all the games again. I just watched the first Jax game, and that was definitely a good game for David. He started off slow, but really came on in the fourth.

Now SAge in that second game, he threw the ball 3 times... What could you have expected?? 100 yds?? 3 for 3??
That wasnt my point, my point was that in just 1 quarter of play sage couldnt manage barley any yards and was sacked behind the same online carr plays behind. what i was refrencing to is that sage is not our savior and that is all. you just happened to post about his good game so i used your post to comment on that.
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That wasnt my point, my point was that in just 1 quarter of play sage couldnt manage barley any yards and was sacked behind the same online carr plays behind. what i was refrencing to is that sage is not our savior and that is all. you just happened to post about his good game so i used your post to comment on that.
Even in my post, I wasn't saying he had a good game. He threw an INT that contributed to that loss, just as much as David's little mis-haps.

I wasn't ragging David. I was correcting someone who said David lost that game. My post was a no he didn't.

& I wasn't praising Sage..

But I wonder how you can say Sage could barley manage any yards in one Qtr of play, when he wasn't asked to do much of anything. At best, you could use that game to say, "See, Kubiak took the ball out of Sage's hands as well."
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That wasnt my point, my point was that in just 1 quarter of play sage couldnt manage barley any yards and was sacked behind the same online carr plays behind. what i was refrencing to is that sage is not our savior and that is all. you just happened to post about his good game so i used your post to comment on that.
You can draw that big of a conclusion from 3 plays?

Lets see.....

3 plays, in a game that he had been sitting on the sideline cold for almost the whole game...

VS.


40 or so plays in the pre-season.....


Yeah I guess it makes PERFECT sense to judge Sage from that Jacksontown game...
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It's ridiculous to use either of those two games (Tenn. or Jax) to assess Sage. One game, Tenns. defense was in "prevent' mode during mop-up time and in the other, the Texans were in "kill the clock" mode.

Try judging the guy on his whole body of work through 6 seasons......
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Try judging the guy on his whole body of work through 6 seasons......

And how do you suppose we do that ?


Look at his stat line ? W-L record ? 40 time ?

Do you happen to have any of Sage's game film laying around? Maybe we could all come over and view it together.




All I know is that Sage has looked good in this offense, and I hope he get's an actual shot, not figurative....
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And how do you suppose we do that ?


Look at his stat line ? W-L record ? 40 time ?


All I know is that Sage has looked good in this offense, and I hope he get's an actual shot, not figurative....
It was kind of a rhetorical comment, given the fact that the guy has only started 2 games in 6 years. There is no way to really assess Sage unless you start the guy... If the latest rumors are true about Carr staying here, I understand that Carr will start... HOWEVER, if he is benched (i.e. Tennessee) not only replace him that game, but start Sage the following game as well.

In other words, I liked the fact that Kubes benched Carr (something the old regime would have never done), but I want Kubes to follow through even futher - Start Sage the following week and then we will have someting really tangible to judge him on...
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I dont like any of the other options right now so I say give Carr one more year.
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In other words, I liked the fact that Kubes benched Carr (something the old regime would have never done), but I want Kubes to follow through even futher - Start Sage the following week and then we will have someting really tangible to judge him on...
O.K....my bad.....I thought you meant something else....


I agree with you on that point...
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I dont like any of the other options right now so I say give Carr one more year.
I don't like any of the options right now so I say open up the competition for QB and let the best man win.
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I don't understand post like this...

It's like some of you guys are Carr fans and not neccessarily Texan fans.

If that's the case.....I totally understand.
They are fake Texan fans! Find another team...
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Ok, here's my 2 cents. #1 I am a Texan fan. I've never lived in Houston, but I love that town! Long story..anyways, It broke my heart when the Oilers left. The moment I knew Houston was going to get a franchise, I was jumping for joy. When it comes to Carr, I want him to be here. He's tough, durable and has taken a LOT of heat. Yes, he's deserved some, but guys..he's NEEDED a line. Period. I hope to the Lord Almighty that if he does stay, he just straight up lights it up! If he doesn't stay, then let him light it up somewhere else, just not with against our Texans. (sorry Dave) I know he will succeed. He's got it. We just didn't give him the line he and the running game needed. Now we're here. And now we're reaping what we sowed. But, we will win, and we will have the bragging rights, especially all of us that never bashed, never threatened to stop being fans. I will be one of the many that believed, no matter how ugly it got, no matter how long it took. We will win. WE WILL BE PROUD!

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Ok, here's my 2 cents. #1 I am a Texan fan. I've never lived in Houston, but I love that town! Long story..anyways, It broke my heart when the Oilers left. The moment I knew Houston was going to get a franchise, I was jumping for joy. When it comes to Carr, I want him to be here. He's tough, durable and has taken a LOT of heat. Yes, he's deserved some, but guys..he's NEEDED a line. Period. I hope to the Lord Almighty that if he does stay, he just straight up lights it up! If he doesn't stay, then let him light it up somewhere else, just not with against our Texans. (sorry Dave) I know he will succeed. He's got it. We just didn't give him the line he and the running game needed. Now we're here. And now we're reaping what we sowed. But, we will win, and we will have the bragging rights, especially all of us that never bashed, never threatened to stop being fans. I will be one of the many that believed, no matter how ugly it got, no matter how long it took. We will win. WE WILL BE PROUD!

Go Texans!!!

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David Carr will get no support from me. If wants my support, he should look in the dictionary between **** and syphillis. That's where he'll find my support.
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here's my 2 cents...one whether you hate him, dislike him, like him, or love him david carr right now is our quarterback...right now the choices this franchise has at QB are not plentiful...you could either:

sign garcia a guy who has struggled to win on clubs with subpar talent
trade for matt schuab a guy who may not fit the scheme we run here
hope that jake plummer is cut and then hope he wants to play since there has been rumors of him wanting to retire
keep david carr but leave the starting job up for grabs with sage
or simply hope for brady quinn to fall to us at the 8th overall pick and start him

needless to say our options are not great...there is no answer up here that will solve this problem...so here's what i purpose we do

unless jake plummer is cut and wants to be a texan david carr is our guy...i know i know just deal with it...but we should have an open competition for the starting job in mini-camp through pre-season...we should also draft kevin kolb in round 2 to add to the competition...if carr wins the job then everyone needs to keep one thing in mind...one guy doesn't win or lose games for you it takes a whole team effort...we have seen david play like total crap and still win ala oakland this past season...we've seen david play great and still lose ala st. louis back in 05...the main thing is we as a team need to get better...every position...every player

dunta robinson needs to be more productive...1 or 2 ints a season isn't going to cut it
andre johnson needs to be in the double digits with touchdown receptions
mario williams, travis johnson, and jason babin all need to improve on their sack count
owen daniels needs to become a more consistant producer on the field
the o-line needs to shape up and play a complete game
and whoever our runningback is needs to become a gamer

if we start producing at all levels then we'll start winning regardless of the QB
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David Carr will get no support from me. If wants my support, he should look in the dictionary between **** and syphillis. That's where he'll find my support.
So what you are saying then is if he leads the team to the playoffs and the Super Bowl you still would not support him. If he has a MVP year you would not support him,right? Then obviously you have nothing but hate for the guy and to pin all the woes on him alone is truly unfair. It is a team game and the whole team together wins or loses. The defense has to stop the other team and the offense has to score points.Every player will have a down year or two
especially learning a new system and having the injuries to the o-line like last year. Everyone will be improved this coming season and they should be a joy to watch.
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So what you are saying then is if he leads the team to the playoffs and the Super Bowl you still would not support him. If he has a MVP year you would not support him,right? Then obviously you have nothing but hate for the guy and to pin all the woes on him alone is truly unfair. It is a team game and the whole team together wins or loses. The defense has to stop the other team and the offense has to score points.Every player will have a down year or two
especially learning a new system and having the injuries to the o-line like last year. Everyone will be improved this coming season and they should be a joy to watch.
Every player will have a down year or two? Carr has had 5 down years. Most of us are tired of the "He just needs another year or two" and "David is great, it's all the other players and all the coaches fault that he's the way he is". If given another year it would be the same old whine next year.
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Every player will have a down year or two? Carr has had 5 down years. Most of us are tired of the "He just needs another year or two" and "David is great, it's all the other players and all the coaches fault that he's the way he is". If given another year it would be the same old whine next year.
So it mens you'll continue to whine then.
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