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Old 02-23-2007   #21
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see what I mean. with fans like that would you want to give up body for the team. showing a jock strap that is on the IQ level of a cowboy fan.
dude work on your grammar and humor as well. That was some funny stuff. I am giving him a rep for that one!

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I don't understand post like this...

It's like some of you guys are Carr fans and not neccessarily Texan fans.

If that's the case.....I totally understand.
Guess we could say the opposite for you.
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see what I mean. with fans like that would you want to give up body for the team. showing a jock strap that is on the IQ level of a cowboy fan.
LOL! I thought it was pretty funny.

Until you learn correct grammar, you might want to refrain from accusing other posters of having an "IQ of a cowboy". LOL

P.S. A person that has an adage of Carr being Superman under his screen name is admitting to his/her sub par football IQ. Good day mate!
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Not a Carr supporter or Hater, but curious as to why ALL of the "HATERS" have to deflect everything to Carr? IF the question can be asked one way, than it begs to be asked the other way...

I want Carr gone as well, but NOT for the same reasons that haters do. I just think that it would be mutually beneficial. IMHO, David did not produce what he was asked to, and conversely the organization did nothing either. Therefore it would be a nice fresh start for both sides.

In addition, if Carr goes somewhere else, it would further expose the shortcomings (too many to list here) of this organization and yet, people would have to take a closer look at those issues rather than put all of the onus on one person / position...
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Guess we could say the opposite for you.
You can call it what you want...


It's kinda hard talking about Carr because he's your brother, and I try to be sensitive to that....

But you keep quoting me...


Honestly Hulk, I don't have any love or hate for any player...They don't know me....I don't know them...

I want to see the team I root for and invest so much time into get better and if that includes getting rid of your brother then so be it. No hard feelings, no feelings period. I don't have any emotional ties to any of the players one way or another. I wouldn't care who they traded as long as we get better. period.
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Not a Carr supporter or Hater, but curious as to why ALL of the "HATERS" have to deflect everything to Carr? IF the question can be asked one way, than it begs to be asked the other way...
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From which of the 3000+ threads would you like me to pull from???
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I'm a Texans fan first and for most. David Carr is part of the equation as to why after five years were in a leaking boat. Where you and I devege company my friend is that you believe DC is the great satin and I do not. The great satin has been from day one not building the franchise from the inside out. To start over with a rookie or stop gap vet with Plummer...pick any vet on the market, isn't just bad. It's a disater. First you're going to have an A.J. problem very shortly down the road. Secondly barring which method you choose the free agent or the vet stop gap, you're going to have to make the pick of another rookie QB this draft or next to groom. Which means you're by passing a critical need position guy with that first or second round guy. Then you're going to have to start figuring out which guys on the wrong side of five years you're going to keep and who gets replace. You guys have it in your minds that replacing DC automatiacly means imrpovement. What it means in the next three years the team will have a significant turn over. DC dumping is not the magic bean some of you are making it out to be. And if I don't swallow your bildge, how, If I think it is in the best interset of the team overall, and your opinion is dead wrong, does that make me any less of a fan ? Because I can see the dominoes strewn across the floor and you can not ? You know they get the goods for David and pull the trigger, I can live with that. The question on my Texan's mind is why from your corner if the opposoite happens, you can not. In my book someone is a fair weather fan indeed.
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I'm a Texans fan first and for most. David Carr is part of the equation as to why after five years were in a leaking boat. Where you and I devege company my friend is that you believe DC is the great satin and I do not. The great satin has been from day one not building the franchise from the inside out. To start over with a rookie or stop gap vet with Plummer...pick any vet on the market, isn't just bad. It's a disater. First you're going to have an A.J. problem very shortly down the road. Secondly barring which method you choose the free agent or the vet stop gap, you're going to have to make the pick of another rookie QB this draft or next to groom. Which means you're by passing a critical need position guy with that first or second round guy. Then you're going to have to start figuring out which guys on the wrong side of five years you're going to keep and who gets replace. You guys have it in your minds that replacing DC automatiacly means imrpovement. What it means in the next three years the team will have a significant turn over. DC dumping is not the magic bean some of you are making it out to be. And if I don't swallow your bildge, how, If I think it is in the best interset of the team overall, and your opinion is dead wrong, does that make me any less of a fan ? Because I can see the dominoes strewn across the floor and you can not ? You know they get the goods for David and pull the trigger, I can live with that. The question on my Texan's mind is why from your corner if the opposoite happens, you can not. In my book someone is a fair weather fan indeed.
I can understand what you are saying. That guys like Andre, Pitts, Moulds, & Dunta don't want to be starting over, and we need to start winning. If we don't start winning, that those players will want to go to a winning team, like all the other high profile FAs. You're saying if we dump Carr, we'll have to find a replacement, and it'll take three years to groom him. A guy like Plummer won't do anything, but postpone the inevitable three year QB incubation period if we don't find our new QB in the'07 draft. & by the time he is ready to help us win, Andre, Pitts, Moulds, & Dunta would've moved on.

You're saying we need to put players around that core of guys, before we even worry about how good/bad our QB plays.

That makes sense to me. That line of thinking. You think pulling David would be equivalent to knocking over that first domino.

We, on the other hand, believe that not pulling David is equivalent to knocking over that first Domino. I agree, Andre & Dunta are going to walk, if we don't start winning, if we don't show a commitment to winning. If David is the best QB we can put out there on Sundays. If that's the best we can do, or if that's the best we are willing to have on this team, then how serious are we about winning?? David has not shown the slightest glimpse of being ready to start in this league. He can't go through progressions, he can't recognize mismatches, he can't beat a blitz, and he can't buy you time in or out of the pocket.

But hey, I'll support David being a Houston Texan in '07... but I think he should be holding a clip board trying to keep up with Kubes on the sideline. Let him be the #2 guy in training camp... let him prove that he can play at a very high level against the 2s & 3s in the Preseason, let him show that he understands the offense on the practice squad, and let him surprise the heck out of everyone when he comes in late in the 4th Qtr when we are blowing out some other team, or getting blown out. Let him show that he doesn't need three Qtrs to get "warmed up" Let him earn the job, and prove that he belongs on the field on Sunday, and not the sideline. If nothing else, let him get to week 4 without avg 4 sacks a game.
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In addition, if Carr goes somewhere else, it would further expose the shortcomings (too many to list here) of this organization and yet, people would have to take a closer look at those issues rather than put all of the onus on one person / position...
That's insane. We know our offensive line needs to get better. We understand our defense isn't in the top half of the league. We understand we need better running backs, We understand we need better Corners & Safeties. We know we need to get more pressure on the QB.

But you name it, DE, DT, CB, Safeties, LBs, TEs, WRs, RBs, LTs, Guards, Centers, FBs we've been swaping them for 5 years now. All we ask is the same commitment to making this team better as it relates to the QB position.
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I'm a Texans fan first and for most. David Carr is part of the equation as to why after five years were in a leaking boat. Where you and I devege company my friend is that you believe DC is the great satin and I do not. The great satin has been from day one not building the franchise from the inside out. To start over with a rookie or stop gap vet with Plummer...pick any vet on the market, isn't just bad. It's a disater. First you're going to have an A.J. problem very shortly down the road. Secondly barring which method you choose the free agent or the vet stop gap, you're going to have to make the pick of another rookie QB this draft or next to groom. Which means you're by passing a critical need position guy with that first or second round guy. Then you're going to have to start figuring out which guys on the wrong side of five years you're going to keep and who gets replace. You guys have it in your minds that replacing DC automatiacly means imrpovement. What it means in the next three years the team will have a significant turn over. DC dumping is not the magic bean some of you are making it out to be. And if I don't swallow your bildge, how, If I think it is in the best interset of the team overall, and your opinion is dead wrong, does that make me any less of a fan ? Because I can see the dominoes strewn across the floor and you can not ? You know they get the goods for David and pull the trigger, I can live with that. The question on my Texan's mind is why from your corner if the opposoite happens, you can not. In my book someone is a fair weather fan indeed.
One definition of satin is "a fabric in a warp-effect or filling-effect satin weave, as acetate, rayon, nylon, or silk, often having a glossy face and a soft, slippery texture." I believe you meant to write Satan.

Your posts are hard to read. I am not the best writer and I make mistakes. But I think you need to work on that a little. I am just trying to nicely point this out.

Also, you talk about drafting a rookie would be a mistake in replacing Carr. That argument doesn't work in your favor. Have you heard of guy named Vince Young?
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Im a big supporter of david carr. But if you guys think hes no good your dead wrong. He has played on a team who has the worst o line i ever seen. he doesnt have the help he needs to suceed. He been hit more times then any other qb in this league without a question and all you guys do its throw him under the bus for it. I am sick and tired of people who complain about carr. He does not deserve this. I hope he goes to a team that appriciates his hard work. Houston does not deserve him
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Here's a request for all David Carr fans. From now on, please classify yourself into one of the following catagories:

1. David Carr's immediate family. I respect the fact that you want him to make lots of money so you can ride the gravy train.

2. Ex-Enron Executives. I understand that you are impressed that David can LEGALLY steal millions of dollars from a major corporation like the NFL.

3. Those suffering from Helsinki Syndrome. You know the ones. The hostages who enventually come to support the causes of their captors.

By doing this, you will help the rest of us know where you are coming from.
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That's insane. We know our offensive line needs to get better. We understand our defense isn't in the top half of the league. We understand we need better running backs, We understand we need better Corners & Safeties. We know we need to get more pressure on the QB.

But you name it, DE, DT, CB, Safeties, LBs, TEs, WRs, RBs, LTs, Guards, Centers, FBs we've been swaping them for 5 years now. All we ask is the same commitment to making this team better as it relates to the QB position.
I know it, you know it, but it was completely ludicrous to hear how DC blew this game and blew that game - completely by himself, all season long.

My point was if Carr is removed from the equation, than blame can not be passed solely to him. People (some on this board) could really open their eyes and see that this debacle that has been the last 5 years is not solely on DC.

TK, I have read many of your posts and you are one that cites many areas of concern with respect to this team. There are other folks on this board, who make it their sole mission in life to rip Carr (they are the ones that I call Haters). Whether you (not TK individually, but folks in general) think he is "the guy" or "not the guy" really doesn't matter to me, as long as it is backed up with fact and NOT that "he sucks".

For the record, I wanted Peppers to be our first pick - not a rookie QB to start for an expansion team.

In short, it was one of those statements, that if it applies to you read it, if it doesn't apply to you, move on and read the next post.
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This thread is like a small rich boy walking into a bad neighborhood...just begging to be beaten and robbed.

I have had the pleasure of working w/david on some of his many charitable functions. And when he talks about the team, you see it in his eyes how bad he wants this team to win.

To have to take the constant beating that he has taken (physically and mentally) is superhuman. I could not respect him any more as a human being. He has had alot of problems on the field in his short career. That being said...I would support a trade FOR PROPER VALUE only. And Im sorry, but Jake Plummer is not an upgrade.

I hope that if he does stay, that our FO can give him what he needs to shut all these bitter armchair QBs up. Bottom line is: He has made many mistakes, but as long as he wears the steel blue, I got his back.

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good point. b Im hoping to clear that dark cloud. I have a question. do you think mario will be treated the same way Carr is? and if he sees how texans fans turn on their players will he stay?
I think if mario Williams our other number 1 pick dosen't produce he will be gone sooner than 5 years. This is a buisness not a marriage we don't need counciling we need results it's a results based buisness fans love you today and hate you tomorrow yes i know its cold blooded but thats why their are taught to have thick skin and are paid millions.
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I beleive that Carr has gotten a little better every year for the past 5 years.

-He has learned to move out of the pocket when it starts to close in.

-He has learned to tuck and run when his receivers are covered.

-He has gotten better at decision making during the option plays and recognizing defenses.

-He has gotten better at recognizing the blitz.

Now if he can learn to not lock on AJ every time a pass play is called and scan the field for the open receiver (which I beleive to be his worst fault during the 06 season) I think the passing game will automaticly improve. If the left tackle spot is shored up (be it with Spencer, in the FA, or in the draft) then that will buy him more time to make better coverage reads. If the running game sees some improvement from this past year then the playaction and the option becomes an asset. When he improves in all of these aspects then he can mold himself into a more active leadership role.

I will not state that I am a Carr hater nor a fan, but I am above all else a Texan fan. If Carr is in it for another year then it is because they beleive that Carr is not a lost cause and I support that 100%. I simply wanted to point out that it is not the end of the world if Carr is under center next season wearing a Texans uniform. He just does not deserve to be portrayed as the devils advocate, he is only human afterall.

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