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Old 02-20-2007   #1
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Why not send 2 first round picks to Indianapolis in exchange for the chance to sign Dwight Freeney?

As everybody knows, the key to building a successful NFL franchise is to have 9 guys up front that are capable of getting the job done every Sunday. I am, of course, referring to the Offensive and Defensive Lines. Dwight Freeney, alongside an improving Mario Williams would do wonders for a Texan pass rush that is one of the more putred in the NFL. Not only will this move help the pass rush, it would, therefore, greatly improve the secondary woes that the team has had over the past couple of seasons with the drafting of a physical, speedy corner in the 2nd round, possibly Daymeion Hughes of Cal, Josh Wilson of Maryland, or Ryan Smith of Florida.
Secondly, since we would have to give up two first-rounders for this, the Texans would save a lot of money over the next few seasons....thus, leaving more money available to spend in other areas of need. This could be THE turn-around move the franchise has been so desperately looking for since going 2-14 in 2005.

Long story short, the signing of Dwight Freeney would be an incredible start to Rick Smith's tenure as Houston Texans General Manager, go a long way in improving one of the league's worst defenses, and put Houston on the path to becoming legitimate contenders, not only in the AFC South, but in the entire league.
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No thanks. Our team just does'nt have that luxury.
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If you want a good example of why not to trade away draft picks for over priced players, study up on Washington the last 5 years or so.
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I couldn't read your post after the first line. TWO 1st round picks??? We have way too many needs to give up two possible stars for one (IMHO) overrated system player.
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Why not send 2 first round picks to Indianapolis in exchange for the chance to sign Dwight Freeney?

As everybody knows, the key to building a successful NFL franchise is to have 9 guys up front that are capable of getting the job done every Sunday. I am, of course, referring to the Offensive and Defensive Lines. Dwight Freeney, alongside an improving Mario Williams would do wonders for a Texan pass rush that is one of the more putred in the NFL. Not only will this move help the pass rush, it would, therefore, greatly improve the secondary woes that the team has had over the past couple of seasons with the drafting of a physical, speedy corner in the 2nd round, possibly Daymeion Hughes of Cal, Josh Wilson of Maryland, or Ryan Smith of Florida.
Secondly, since we would have to give up two first-rounders for this, the Texans would save a lot of money over the next few seasons....thus, leaving more money available to spend in other areas of need. This could be THE turn-around move the franchise has been so desperately looking for since going 2-14 in 2005.

Long story short, the signing of Dwight Freeney would be an incredible start to Rick Smith's tenure as Houston Texans General Manager, go a long way in improving one of the league's worst defenses, and put Houston on the path to becoming legitimate contenders, not only in the AFC South, but in the entire league.
Like most preposterous trade proposals this goes on an on about what a great deal it would be for the Texans and not a single word about why the Colts would have the slightest bit of interest.

The Colts let Edgerrin James get away so that they could keep Freeney so you tell me how interested the Colts would be in letting go of a sure thing going into the prime of his career for a couple of picks in a weak draft who could easily flop.

The one thing that separates this preposterous trade proposal from all the others is that it lacks "the kicker". You should have said, "...and we'll even throw Moochie Norris and Matt Maloney in to sweeten the deal!"
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I couldn't read your post after the first line. TWO 1st round picks??? We have way too many needs to give up two possible stars for one (IMHO) overrated system player.
The Dwight Freeney signing will save us a LOT of money in the long run. I'm thinking not only WIN NOW, but also down the road. You have to think salary cap in the future as well. 1st round picks, no matter how talented, may not bode well, as far as turning your team around is concerned. Dwight Freeney is a SURE thing.
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Like most preposterous trade proposals this goes on an on about what a great deal it would be for the Texans and not a single word about why the Colts would have the slightest bit of interest.

The Colts let Edgerrin James get away so that they could keep Freeney so you tell me how interested the Colts would be in letting go of a sure thing going into the prime of his career for a couple of picks in a weak draft who could easily flop.

The one thing that separates this preposterous trade proposal from all the others is that it lacks "the kicker". You should have said, "...and we'll even throw Moochie Norris and Matt Maloney in to sweeten the deal!"
That's where the art of persuasion comes in. Of course it may not look good to Indy on the surface, but I guarantee you the Colts would give it some serious thought.

1) They have been looking for a tenacious run-stopper, something they do not have. Alan Branch, Amobi Okoye...all viable options in the 1st round at #8. Along with their #32 pick, who knows, this gives them room to package that and move up to possibly get Branch. But, that's not for the Texans' FO to worry about, is it?

2) Freeney's gone in 2008 anyway. All the franchise tag assures them is that he'll be there for 2007. I would think they'd want to get something for him, such as this trade offer, rather than let him go in free agency and get nothing in return.
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The Dwight Freeney signing will save us a LOT of money in the long run. I'm thinking not only WIN NOW, but also down the road. You have to think salary cap in the future as well. 1st round picks, no matter how talented, may not bode well, as far as turning your team around is concerned. Dwight Freeney is a SURE thing.
Its not about saving money. We need to bring in as many impact players as we can. Freeney is NOT a sure thing. Not only do you have to trade the 2 #1s, you also have to sign him to a long term contract. Im pretty sure Freeney wont be cheap. We wont be able to sign any impact free agents (Clements) and we gave up 2 potential impact players.(our 2 first rounders) We just have too many holes for this type of deal. Its just not worth it IMO....
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Its not about saving money. We need to bring in as many impact players as we can. Freeney is NOT a sure thing. Not only do you have to trade the 2 #1s, you also have to sign him to a long term contract. Im pretty sure Freeney wont be cheap. We wont be able to sign any impact free agents (Clements) and we gave up 2 potential impact players.(our 2 first rounders) We just have too many holes for this type of deal. Its just not worth it IMO....
Freeney ISN'T a sure thing? When did that press release come out? Of course he's a sure thing. It is in this case about:

1) improving our team dramatically with ONE move
2) freeing up money for 2008. don't tell me that's not an added benefit of this signing.
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Dwight Freeney was given the franchise tag by the Colts. . . This is a moot point.

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Freeney ISN'T a sure thing? When did that press release come out? Of course he's a sure thing. It is in this case about:

1) improving our team dramatically with ONE move
2) freeing up money for 2008. don't tell me that's not an added benefit of this signing.

LaCharles Bentley was a sure thing for the Browns last year too...

1. Signing Nate Clements and possibly drafting Adrian Peterson...How's that for a dramatic move
2. Maybe so, but we possibly give the colts a top 10 pick...that does'nt help our cause...
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Dwight Freeney was given the franchise tag by the Colts. . . This is a moot point.

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Actually, the way I understand it, it isn't quite moot. The franchise tag means that a team has the right to match any offer received by the player in question.

If they don't, they lose the player but receive 2 1st round draft picks as compensation.


I would love to have Freeney here, I think his run-stopping skills are underrated. But I think it's too expensive.
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ok wait. So seriously you'd want to trade away this year's #8 and whatever we land next year? While Dwight Freeney is good. Respectively if that's the direction we want to go why not take Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson at the 8 spot this year?

I'm still hoping for the day we address oline in the first round. Please Levi Brown this year.
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If they don't, they lose the player but receive 2 1st round draft picks as compensation.
As I said, this is a moot point.
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Why not send 2 first round picks to Indianapolis in exchange for the chance to sign Dwight Freeney?

As everybody knows, the key to building a successful NFL franchise is to have 9 guys up front that are capable of getting the job done every Sunday. I am, of course, referring to the Offensive and Defensive Lines. Dwight Freeney, alongside an improving Mario Williams would do wonders for a Texan pass rush that is one of the more putred in the NFL. Not only will this move help the pass rush, it would, therefore, greatly improve the secondary woes that the team has had over the past couple of seasons with the drafting of a physical, speedy corner in the 2nd round, possibly Daymeion Hughes of Cal, Josh Wilson of Maryland, or Ryan Smith of Florida.
Secondly, since we would have to give up two first-rounders for this, the Texans would save a lot of money over the next few seasons....thus, leaving more money available to spend in other areas of need. This could be THE turn-around move the franchise has been so desperately looking for since going 2-14 in 2005.

Long story short, the signing of Dwight Freeney would be an incredible start to Rick Smith's tenure as Houston Texans General Manager, go a long way in improving one of the league's worst defenses, and put Houston on the path to becoming legitimate contenders, not only in the AFC South, but in the entire league.
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Freeney ISN'T a sure thing? When did that press release come out? Of course he's a sure thing. It is in this case about:

1) improving our team dramatically with ONE move
2) freeing up money for 2008. don't tell me that's not an added benefit of this signing.

Freeney is a good player but if you look at last seasons stats they were nothing special.
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Actually, the way I understand it, it isn't quite moot. The franchise tag means that a team has the right to match any offer received by the player in question.

If they don't, they lose the player but receive 2 1st round draft picks as compensation.


I would love to have Freeney here, I think his run-stopping skills are underrated. But I think it's too expensive.

There are two versions of the franchise tag, Exclusive and Non - Exclusive.

Under the non-exclusive the player would be allowed to discuss a contract with other teams, if the Colts decline to match it then they would be entitled to the 2 1st round draft picks as compensation.

Under the exclusive tag the player cannot speak to any other team but the Colts may decide to trade him away - and then hope to get the best deal they could.

As Freeney was slapped with the exclusive it means if the Colts wanted to trade for him we wouldn't have to give 2 first rounders away.
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In my opinion this would be a DUMB move. Would Freeney help our team out? of course he would...but having 2 first rd picks...most likely top 10 or 15's would be much better. Thinking of the players we could get for that in this years draft and next....and then giving it up for freeny would be ridiculous.

Indianapolis woud take that trade with us in a heart beat. At least if I was pulling the trigger. They could most likely get either Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson with our 8 pick ..if not they'd get okoye or branch would help them out hugely....then they'd still have next year's 1st rder which would be a top 16.

We are rebuilding....PERIOD. therfore we cannot...cannot....CANNOT give up draft picks. much less 1st rd picks! casserly did it cuz he's a dumb @#@4 that got fired. he's not here....we need all the picks we can get to build our team....it's long run baby...not short run..


let me say it again....it's long run. not short run. thats why we won't get Dwight Freeny or Nate Clements. There is no point. Even with them we will not get the playoffs. It's a huge waste of money.

forget about the sexy free agents..it wont happen...especially if they just got franchised.

only casserly would get freeny and samuel at this point and give up 4 first rd picks for them.....just to get a top 10 pick for 4 years in a row.
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This was all I needed to read on your post and my answer is not only no, but ***** NO!!! Freeney's value comes no where near the value for two 1st RD picks.
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