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Old 02-13-2007   #1
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By Chris Steuber
Posted: Monday, February 12, 2007

I’ve never been to Texas, but I know that barbeque and Mexican food are huge in the Lone Star State. But as I am writing this piece, I wonder what the most popular breakfast food is? If I had to guess I’d say eggs… well, at least for the Houston Texans franchise.

The future of Texans quarterback David Carr is in question after another so-so year. Houston had the opportunity to draft hometown boy Vince Young with the first pick last year, but blindly decided that Carr was their future. A year later, the Texans are wearing egg on their face and the fans have to eat it.

Before the 2006 NFL Draft, Young declared that being drafted by the Texans would be a dream come true; to play professional football in his home state. Former general manager of the Texans, Charlie Casserly (who was the man behind the decision to draft Mario Williams over both Reggie Bush and Young), made it clear that Carr was the franchise quarterback and the Texans wouldn’t pursue Young with the first selection.

Hey Charlie, I know you’re no longer a part of the Texans franchise, but you’ve got to be kicking yourself with a spur for that decision.

I am not dogging the selection of Williams, but any time you have a player that’s dying to play for your organization and someone who’s already an icon in the state of Texas, it should be a no-brainer. If the Texans decide to release, trade, or drive Carr out to the middle of nowhere for any traveler to pick up, the decision not to draft Young becomes even more magnified.

After sitting on the bench for the first three weeks of the season for the Tennessee Titans, Young started his first game against the Dallas Cowboys. After his first two starts Young was a shaky 0 – 2, but his fortunes were about to turn around. The final 12-games of the season, the Titans went an amazing 8-4, and were on the doorstep of making the playoffs. But just as Tennessee was about to enter, a troop of Patriots invaded their territory and sent them home.

That’s the scenario the Texans could have embarked upon, but yet, they’re still in expansion misery trying to find an identity.

So, what’s next for the Texans? Well, they will probably trade Carr to a franchise that needs a young quarterback looking for a fresh start. They will try to add a veteran quarterback, like Jake Plummer, through free agency. And they will draft a young quarterback to groom behind Plummer.

One player that Texans fans should keep an eye out for in the draft is Michigan State quarterback Drew Stanton. Stanton is a very interesting prospect with great size and a strong arm. Another element of Stanton’s game is his excellent mobility. Stanton is able to escape the pocket and make a play on the run, which is something Carr was unable to do.

One downside is that Stanton had a better junior year (3,077 yards passing, 22 touchdowns and 12 interceptions) than senior year (1,807 yards passing, 12 touchdowns and 10 interceptions), but he was on a Spartans’ team that collectively struggled this past season. Stanton is still an outstanding prospect with a promising future.

The future for the Texans, on the other hand, remains in the balance. If the front office knew what all the many around the league knew in regards to Carr, they’d be the “Young” team on the doorstep of the playoffs.
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good post, i do hope this happens i have watch drew stanton for a while now, i think he has could be the best or second best qb in this draft.

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yeah, i'd also like to see stanton... the reason why he had a down year was because he was on a bad team.
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By Chris Steuber
Posted: Monday, February 12, 2007

I’ve never been to Texas, but I know that barbeque and Mexican food are huge in the Lone Star State. But as I am writing this piece, I wonder what the most popular breakfast food is? If I had to guess I’d say eggs… well, at least for the Houston Texans franchise.

The future of Texans quarterback David Carr is in question after another so-so year. Houston had the opportunity to draft hometown boy Vince Young with the first pick last year, but blindly decided that Carr was their future. A year later, the Texans are wearing egg on their face and the fans have to eat it.
Strike 1 against this guy. We brought in Dan Reeves as a consultant, and asked every coach who interviewed whether or not they thought they could work with Carr. We also brought in Young for a workout. There was nothing blind about the process.

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Hey Charlie, I know you’re no longer a part of the Texans franchise, but you’ve got to be kicking yourself with a spur for that decision.

I am not dogging the selection of Williams, but any time you have a player that’s dying to play for your organization and someone who’s already an icon in the state of Texas, it should be a no-brainer. If the Texans decide to release, trade, or drive Carr out to the middle of nowhere for any traveler to pick up, the decision not to draft Young becomes even more magnified.
Strike 2 against this guy. NO ONE, and when I say no one, I mean NO ONE in the media outside of Texas or the fans of this board even remotely hinted at Young being drafted by the Texans. In fact, if I remember correctly, Tennessee was graded POORLY! in the draft for taking him #3. "Project, poor mechanics, runs too much, terrible wonderlic" Sound familiar? This guy was citing all these negatives about Young about a year ago as reasons why he shouldn't even be picked top 10! Now he's in the probowl as a rookie, and all of a sudden, guess who is claiming he was a supporter all along? Yep, every media writer in the country.


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After sitting on the bench for the first three weeks of the season for the Tennessee Titans, Young started his first game against the Dallas Cowboys. After his first two starts Young was a shaky 0 – 2, but his fortunes were about to turn around. The final 12-games of the season, the Titans went an amazing 8-4, and were on the doorstep of making the playoffs. But just as Tennessee was about to enter, a troop of Patriots invaded their territory and sent them home.

That’s the scenario the Texans could have embarked upon, but yet, they’re still in expansion misery trying to find an identity.
Well thats it. To assume every player would have the exact same impact on every team is beyond stupid. We had a lot of problems this year, and as much as people would love to believe it, one guy wouldn't have fixed them. Could we have won more games? Maybe, probably, but not definiately.

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Wow way to predict the future after it already happened. I'd love to find the article where this same guy is probably criticizing the Texans for even considering him above Reggie Bush
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With regards to Stanton, however,r I really like him. He's got a great arm, great size, and great accuracy. He is, however, a bit of a "pretty boy" like Carr. If he's there in the 3rd, I say grab him
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Strike 1 against this guy. We brought in Dan Reeves as a consultant, and asked every coach who interviewed whether or not they thought they could work with Carr. We also brought in Young for a workout. There was nothing blind about the process.
Well I'm just playing devil's advocate but didn't Reeves say that he was impressed with Young and wasn't against taking him?I think he put keeping Carr and not drafting Young on Kubiak's lap. As far as coaches keeping Carr, I believe guys knew in order to get the job, that was the answer.

All of these writers are going to have a random perception of what happened so I won't read too much into it but I do think this all makes a difference. I said this when McClain spoke about Carr. He could of easily have stayed quiet. By talking the team has now put itself in a position where they may have gone too far out on the ledge. Fine by me but it isn't like this doesn't affect player perception.
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Strikes 1-1,112,300,564. I love people who write about things they know nothing about.
strike 565. get more original than using another played take on Carr's name. maybe they could have thought out of the box and used "Houston, we have a problem."
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Well I'm just playing devil's advocate but didn't Reeves say that he was impressed with Young and wasn't against taking him?I think he put keeping Carr and not drafting Young on Kubiak's lap. As far as coaches keeping Carr, I believe guys knew in order to get the job, that was the answer.

All of these writers are going to have a random perception of what happened so I won't read too much into it but I do think this all makes a difference. I said this when McClain spoke about Carr. He could of easily have stayed quiet. By talking the team has now put itself in a position where they may have gone too far out on the ledge. Fine by me but it isn't like this doesn't affect player perception.
Dan Reeves was all over the place when it came to the Carr/VY thing.

Here's the best explanation he has given:

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I personally think that explanation is a load of crapatola. Reeves comes in as consultant. He tells McNair that he likes what he saw in David Carr.

Kubiak basically comes off his Denver playoff loss, meets with McNair, says he can coach up Carr, and a couple of weeks later, they pick up Carr's option.

Then after the fact, Reeves lays all of this on Kubiak: coach needs to believe in his QB.

Well, REEVES is the one who actually was with the organization at the end of the season and saw work habits and what they wanted Carr to be doing. Kubiak just looked mostly at film and barely talked to DC before the option thing was due. If Reeves thought there were enough concerns about Carr to justify going the VY route, well then he needed to say something. McNair's discussions of Reeves' consulting at the time was Carr = doubleplus good.
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strike 565. get more original than using another played take on Carr's name. maybe they could have thought out of the box and used "Houston, we have a problem."

How about

"Carrfully weighing thier options" or "Carr'eeping Carr another year is 'Carr'apy"
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I can't think of Drew Stanton without thinking of the all time best radio rant about MSU's loss to Notre Dame.

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For some reason, I can't get the audio to work.

Here's some quotes from it on Stanton, and this link is a good summary of it:

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Now, I love Drew Stanton. But I can't defend you when you play that way ... you HAVE to make better decisions.

And you know what? It's time for Drew to step up in a big game. It's time for Drew to play [in a big game] the way he plays against Kent State and Indiana.
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Dan Reeves was all over the place when it came to the Carr/VY thing.

Here's the best explanation he has given:

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I personally think that explanation is a load of crapatola. Reeves comes in as consultant. He tells McNair that he likes what he saw in David Carr.

Kubiak basically comes off his Denver playoff loss, meets with McNair, says he can coach up Carr, and a couple of weeks later, they pick up Carr's option.

Then after the fact, Reeves lays all of this on Kubiak: coach needs to believe in his QB.

Well, REEVES is the one who actually was with the organization at the end of the season and saw work habits and what they wanted Carr to be doing. Kubiak just looked mostly at film and barely talked to DC before the option thing was due. If Reeves thought there were enough concerns about Carr to justify going the VY route, well then he needed to say something. McNair's discussions of Reeves' consulting at the time was Carr = doubleplus good.
I've always believed that Reeves wanted a job here and was playing the game . Then after the Texans took a turn for the worst ... he was trying to save face .
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hahmmm sorry I was asleep and thought I dreamed that another expert had stated the same things that have been mentioned ten trillion times already. You know we often lament Houston not getting national coverage and then we get something like this. Going to nod back off now and dream that Paris Hilton & I are at a Dairy Queen. That girl can use some ice cream.
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hahmmm sorry I was asleep and thought I dreamed that another expert had stated the same things that have been mentioned ten trillion times already. You know we often lament Houston not getting national coverage and then we get something like this. Going to nod back off now and dream that Paris Hilton & I are at a Dairy Queen. That girl can use some ice cream.
I'd get her a Beltbuster also .
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Dan Reeves was all over the place when it came to the Carr/VY thing.

Here's the best explanation he has given:

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I personally think that explanation is a load of crapatola. Reeves comes in as consultant. He tells McNair that he likes what he saw in David Carr.

Kubiak basically comes off his Denver playoff loss, meets with McNair, says he can coach up Carr, and a couple of weeks later, they pick up Carr's option.

Then after the fact, Reeves lays all of this on Kubiak: coach needs to believe in his QB.

Well, REEVES is the one who actually was with the organization at the end of the season and saw work habits and what they wanted Carr to be doing. Kubiak just looked mostly at film and barely talked to DC before the option thing was due. If Reeves thought there were enough concerns about Carr to justify going the VY route, well then he needed to say something. McNair's discussions of Reeves' consulting at the time was Carr = doubleplus good.
Thanks for the info. I just remembered they were discussing the subject weeks ago.
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strike 565. get more original than using another played take on Carr's name. maybe they could have thought out of the box and used "Houston, we have a problem."
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yeah, i'd also like to see stanton... the reason why he had a down year was because he was on a bad team.
That's Carr's reason too.
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I'd like to see Brady Quinn in Houston if he drops to #8. Kubiak could work wonders with this kid.
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Yeah, strike 1000 against this guy and not being from Texas, anyone from Texas would know that the Texans did the right thing in resigning Carr and passing on Young. Geez, where do they get these writers?
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I’ve never been to Texas, but I know that barbeque and Mexican food are huge in the Lone Star State. But as I am writing this piece, I wonder what the most popular breakfast food is? If I had to guess I’d say eggs… well, at least for the Houston Texans franchise.

The future of Texans quarterback David Carr is in question after another so-so year. Houston had the opportunity to draft hometown boy Vince Young with the first pick last year, but blindly decided that Carr was their future. A year later, the Texans are wearing egg on their face and the fans have to eat it.

Before the 2006 NFL Draft, Young declared that being drafted by the Texans would be a dream come true; to play professional football in his home state. Former general manager of the Texans, Charlie Casserly (who was the man behind the decision to draft Mario Williams over both Reggie Bush and Young), made it clear that Carr was the franchise quarterback and the Texans wouldn’t pursue Young with the first selection.

Hey Charlie, I know you’re no longer a part of the Texans franchise, but you’ve got to be kicking yourself with a spur for that decision.

I am not dogging the selection of Williams, but any time you have a player that’s dying to play for your organization and someone who’s already an icon in the state of Texas, it should be a no-brainer. If the Texans decide to release, trade, or drive Carr out to the middle of nowhere for any traveler to pick up, the decision not to draft Young becomes even more magnified.

After sitting on the bench for the first three weeks of the season for the Tennessee Titans, Young started his first game against the Dallas Cowboys. After his first two starts Young was a shaky 0 – 2, but his fortunes were about to turn around. The final 12-games of the season, the Titans went an amazing 8-4, and were on the doorstep of making the playoffs. But just as Tennessee was about to enter, a troop of Patriots invaded their territory and sent them home.

That’s the scenario the Texans could have embarked upon, but yet, they’re still in expansion misery trying to find an identity.

So, what’s next for the Texans? Well, they will probably trade Carr to a franchise that needs a young quarterback looking for a fresh start. They will try to add a veteran quarterback, like Jake Plummer, through free agency. And they will draft a young quarterback to groom behind Plummer.

One player that Texans fans should keep an eye out for in the draft is Michigan State quarterback Drew Stanton. Stanton is a very interesting prospect with great size and a strong arm. Another element of Stanton’s game is his excellent mobility. Stanton is able to escape the pocket and make a play on the run, which is something Carr was unable to do.

One downside is that Stanton had a better junior year (3,077 yards passing, 22 touchdowns and 12 interceptions) than senior year (1,807 yards passing, 12 touchdowns and 10 interceptions), but he was on a Spartans’ team that collectively struggled this past season. Stanton is still an outstanding prospect with a promising future.

The future for the Texans, on the other hand, remains in the balance. If the front office knew what all the many around the league knew in regards to Carr, they’d be the “Young” team on the doorstep of the playoffs.

Let's talk Vince, well number 1 he was the worst QB in the league as to stats, and on one occasion the Titan offense scored 3 points - no VY did not kick it in, and the d/st scored 21, no VY did not play d either, or return the punt/kicks.
As for being a hometown boy, yeah he said that, but he also said I want my money, which was a MOUNTAIN that Carr doesn't even come close to. If VY wanted to play here, he didn't let it stand in the way of how much money he wanted. As for the Pro-Bowl, please,QB1-injured, 2-Played golf at Pebble Beach instead, 3-Let the rookie play, yeah what a pro-bowler. But you are right, we love our Tex-Mex & BBQ, oops, that's Mexican Food & Barbeque.
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