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Old 01-27-2007   #1
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I've heard alot of RUMORS, and I stress rumors, I'm honestly tired of hearing everyone say " get rid of Carr, He stinks" etc... Who the hell do people figure can come to the Texans and make some sort of immediate impact. Sage Rosefels? Sage is deff. not battle tested. Plummer? There's a reason he's not playing in Denver. Some rookie? ANOTHER year of rebuilding... The truth of the matter is, bringing in a vet. QB or even bringing in a new QB is foolish. Give David Carr some competition, make him fight for his job, and I don't mean just for one week, I'm talking about every week make him want it. Thats the only way I could possibly see progress with out starting over from the beginning with our offense.
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I've heard alot of RUMORS, and I stress rumors, I'm honestly tired of hearing everyone say " get rid of Carr, He stinks" etc... Who the hell do people figure can come to the Texans and make some sort of immediate impact. Sage Rosefels? Sage is deff. not battle tested. Plummer? There's a reason he's not playing in Denver. Some rookie? ANOTHER year of rebuilding... The truth of the matter is, bringing in a vet. QB or even bringing in a new QB is foolish. Give David Carr some competition, make him fight for his job, and I don't mean just for one week, I'm talking about every week make him want it. Thats the only way I could possibly see progress with out starting over from the beginning with our offense.
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Who the hell do people figure can come to the Texans and make some sort of immediate impact. Sage Rosefels? Sage is deff. not battle tested.
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Give David Carr some competition, make him fight for his job, and I don't mean just for one week, I'm talking about every week make him want it. Thats the only way I could possibly see progress with out starting over from the beginning with our offense.
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The truth of the matter is, bringing in a vet. QB or even bringing in a new QB is foolish.
Ok you want David Carr to be challenged, you want David Carr to actually have competition going into camp, that actually has the skills to compete and challenge him.................(so do I)

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The truth of the matter is, bringing in a vet. QB or even bringing in a new QB is foolish.
how the hell are we suppossed to find somebody to compete with Carr, if the answer isn't here and we aren't suppossed to bring anybody in...........I'm curious.
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pick someone up in the draft and let them learn to be the step up , i was meaning from an immediate impact standpoint
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also i like sage, just don't know if he's capable of making a starting position the entire year, might be a bit frail.
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also i like sage, just don't know if he's capable of making a starting position the entire year, might be a bit frail.
I don't really know where frail comes from. Yea he broke his hand playing ST...but this is football. A broken hand is not too uncommon.
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my first reaction says get jake and draft kolb with our second/third pick. somebody gets cut before the season but hey... i apologize if my mathematics are wrong and this is impossible. like i said, it's my first reaction.
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I'm not sure how to feel about Carr. I want him to stick around and prove people wrong, but then again, maybe Houston isnt the best place for him, and he needs a change of scenery. I don't see what is wrong with drafting a QB and letting him sit a while as Carr and Sage, maybe Plummer, battle it out. I'm still thinking that Carr will win the postion battle, maybe not by much, but he will win, and then we take things from there.
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I don't really know where frail comes from. Yea he broke his hand playing ST...but this is football. A broken hand is not too uncommon.
He didn't break his hand but broke his thumb on his throwing hand.
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He didn't break his hand but broke his thumb on his throwing hand.
The thumb is a part of the hand.
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With that logic, I guess I broke my neck as a kid since my toe is connected to it through various other connections.
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I don't think it's a coincidence that Jake Plummer had his worst year in Denver after Kubiak left. I also don't think it's a coincidence that the entire Denver offense wasn't as good after Kubiak left. It's also not coincidence that Plummer had his best years while Kubiak was the OC. So yes, I think Jake Plummer would have more of an immediate impact than Carr. I think Rosenfels would have more of an impact than Carr as well.
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I don't think it's a coincidence that Jake Plummer had his worst year in Denver after Kubiak left. I also don't think it's a coincidence that the entire Denver offense wasn't as good after Kubiak left. It's also not coincidence that Plummer had his best years while Kubiak was the OC. So yes, I think Jake Plummer would have more of an immediate impact than Carr. I think Rosenfels would have more of an impact than Carr as well.
Could not agree more. I'd rather have Plummer or Rosenfels with a drafted rookie learning then Carr, the dissension, the booing and the same old, some old. I think a break for both parties is best. I'm tired of the years passing by while Carr can't learn the most basic QBing tenents....don't take unnecessary sacks and don't eye screw your receivers before throwing to them.
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Plumer=has been and never will be. Rosenfels=Carrer backup 6 yrs in NFL with 3 different teams means backup at best.
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Plumer=has been and never will be. Rosenfels=Carrer backup 6 yrs in NFL with 3 different teams means backup at best.
Yet they both seem farther along than Carr when playing and if we draft a guy to learn then they are just holding the spot for now.
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take someone who Kubiak likes at QB in FA and/or in the draft and let them all battle it out. I know thats easier than it sounds, but competition brings out the best in players, and hopefully it can for someone. I'm tired of defending Carr and reading on people hating on him, I just want to see the QB situation solved whatever that may be. If it means Carr staying, fine by me; if Carr gets traded, no big deal. Lets just fix the QB situation and move on, too many people are getting caught up in Carr alone.
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take someone who Kubiak likes at QB in FA and/or in the draft and let them all battle it out. I know thats easier than it sounds, but competition brings out the best in players, and hopefully it can for someone. I'm tired of defending Carr and reading on people hating on him, I just want to see the QB situation solved whatever that may be. If it means Carr staying, fine by me; if Carr gets traded, no big deal. Lets just fix the QB situation and move on, too many people are getting caught up in Carr alone.
couldnt have said it better lork.
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take someone who Kubiak likes at QB in FA and/or in the draft and let them all battle it out. I know thats easier than it sounds, but competition brings out the best in players, and hopefully it can for someone. I'm tired of defending Carr and reading on people hating on him, I just want to see the QB situation solved whatever that may be. If it means Carr staying, fine by me; if Carr gets traded, no big deal. Lets just fix the QB situation and move on, too many people are getting caught up in Carr alone.
I agree but I think the Carr situation took on a life of its own a couple of years back. The problem now is that you have players(IMHO), fans and coaches who aren't sure if they can trust the guy in games and who are tired of the rhetoric. People are already off his bandwagon by a country mile. After 5 years he still hasn't shown that he can master the basics of being an NFL QB and even with competition you are still setting yourself up for those who will boo and want your backup or they will boo and want to hold onto their Carr fantasy like they have too long already. It sets up for a team divided. The best bet is to ship him off, wish him luck and hope you both do better with a change of scenery. We can get a FA QB who is probably a better fit at this time and we can draft a guy to groom. All in all the whole "Carr" fiasco won't be a lingering cloud like it has been for the last 2 years. The only thing I see competition as bringing at this point is team and fan base divided and debating a year too long.
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Could not agree more. I'd rather have Plummer or Rosenfels with a drafted rookie learning then Carr, the dissension, the booing and the same old, some old. I think a break for both parties is best. I'm tired of the years passing by while Carr can't learn the most basic QBing tenents....don't take unnecessary sacks and don't eye screw your receivers before throwing to them.
What has Sage Rosenfels done, besides be the always loved backup quarterback, to have people believe that he'll do better than Carr? How does a backup QB,who for some strange reason was behind David Carr, have the confidence of an entire city? That just doesn't make any sense. As far as Jake Plummer, you'd be getting somebody to plug the hole until a better solution became available. David Carr hasn't done great in his 5 years here, but he has also had to run for his life every game under to previous regime. This was the first year that David was in a system where he wasn't forced to drop back and pray after 3 seconds. Put Carr behind the offensive line of the Patriots and he would have been a better qb. Give Carr a running game and watch his passer rating improve. It was his first season under Kubiak and midway through it, he was one of the more accurate qb's in the league. Then the starting center went down and he began to struggle. Give Carr another season under Kubiak and see how well he progresses. I think that with a good running game and some protection, David Carr can be better than most people think.
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