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Old 01-26-2007   #1
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http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon...d_the_nfl.html

Mostly Rumor mongering by Solomon who just loves to stir the pot, but maybe a few nuggets of truth mixed in.

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Apparently word is circulating around the league that the Texans' David Carr "might" be available for a third-round draft pick. Wonder who started that rumor.

In our expert opinion, that just might be true.

Elsewhere ... The King might be available if Halle Berry called.

This rumor is good news for some Texans fans, but bad news for others. Unfortunately for Carr, it seems like an indicator that the end is near.

I checked with a couple of league sources: two said they were aware of it, another said he had not been told that by any reliable source, but got wind of the talk at the Senior Bowl this week. All said it is too early to tell if the talk is legit and it would be premature to assume anything is imminent if they are.
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I don't care just get Carr out of here so the offensive can start blocking again. Hey it worked for Sage!!
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Apparently word is circulating around the league that the Texans' David Carr "might" be available for a third-round draft pick. Wonder who started that rumor.

In our expert opinion, that just might be true.

Elsewhere ... The King might be available if Halle Berry called.

This rumor is good news for some Texans fans, but bad news for others. Unfortunately for Carr, it seems like an indicator that the end is near.

I checked with a couple of league sources: two said they were aware of it, another said he had not been told that by any reliable source, but got wind of the talk at the Senior Bowl this week. All said it is too early to tell if the talk is legit and it would be premature to assume anything is imminent if they are.

uh oh get ready for some snide remarks from Carr supporters about finding rumors to get him out of Houston......But I agree with that the only way to get rid of Carr is trade him to the lions. What other team would take Carr?
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A pro personnel assistant said there is no way the Texans could get a third-round pick for Carr, but a conditional fourth-rounder probably isn't out of the question.

Last offseason, the Vikings got a second-round pick for Daunte Culpepper and the Lions picked up a sixth-round choice (moved up to a fifth-rounder after Harrington reached a certain amount of playing time).


Right there in plain english Carr isnt worth much at all, according to this guy.
If we keep Carr we will always be mediocre.
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What other team would take Carr?
A team looking for a backup QB.
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Teams that might be interested

Oakland
Minnesota
Browns
Tampa Bay
Green Bay, air to Brett Farve
Detroit, maybe, but Kitna didn't have too bad of a year.


So there are teams out there, half these teams will probably draft a QB, but this class really isn't that strong.

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Teams that might be interested

Oakland
Minnesota
Browns
Tampa Bay
Green Bay, air to Brett Farve
Detroit, maybe, but Kitna didn't have too bad of a year.


So there are teams out there, half these teams will probably draft a QB, but this class really isn't that strong.
Yeah and Green Bay would be a good fit. His arm and mobility are similar to Favre in his hay day. Im gonna add Baltimore, because McNair wont be around forever, and the Dolphins because they take anyones castoffs.
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David has alot of ability and may thrive in another city with another team and system.

All we know is it hasn't worked out for him here. Some his fault, some not.

I do think there will be a market for him. He's got alot of experience and QB's are coveted with experience.
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Carr has had two good years in his last eight. Those two good years were at the same program that Trent Dilfer and Billy Volek prospered. When you strip it down we have a Fresno State Quarterback making USC Quarterback money. We have been a joke because we drafted a joke. When we take Carr out of the equation - Sage, Tony Banks and limit Carr's passing we are pretty darn successful as compared to Carr passing the ball

The day Carr leaves will be the best day ever for Texan fans. Carr fans not so much.
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Hey Toro don't hold back, tell us how you really feel...........ouch
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Carr has had two good years in his last eight. Those two good years were at the same program that Trent Dilfer and Billy Volek prospered. When you strip it down we have a Fresno State Quarterback making USC Quarterback money. We have been a joke because we drafted a joke. When we take Carr out of the equation - Sage, Tony Banks and limit Carr's passing we are pretty darn successful as compared to Carr passing the ball

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Teams that might be interested

Oakland
Minnesota
Browns
Tampa Bay
Green Bay, air to Brett Farve
Detroit, maybe, but Kitna didn't have too bad of a year.


So there are teams out there, half these teams will probably draft a QB, but this class really isn't that strong.


I could see Green Bay. He's tough as nails, like Favre, and Number 4 is his hero.
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I could see Green Bay. He's tough as nails, like Favre, and Number 4 is his hero.
Actually Aikman was Carr's hero growing up

My 2 coppers - Officially I'm on the fence where Carr is concerned. Ive watched enough games to know he hasnt performed his best all the time. Ive also seen enough football to know he hasnt gotten alot of support from the staff or playmakers to work with over the years hes been here to make things work and compete against most other NFL teams on a consistent basis. Injuries happen to every team and not everyone has pro-bowlers all around to play with - that takes time, good drafting/scouting anda little luck. IMO Carr's kind of had to play with a hand behind his back so to speak since he's been here. No QB coach to start with, a revolving door at the OC position and at the skill positions on Offense. To compare just for fun - Troy Aikmans first few years as a Cowboy were not pretty either until they landed Emmitt and had Irvin and Harper to pair with. That took some good GM skill and luck to land all those draft choices and get the right players. It made a big difference long term and Aikman stepped up to par also. IMO some players take their opportunities as a challenge when faced with adversity all around them. While others take a paycheck and point fingers [see TO, Moss etc]. IMO Carr's been a stand up enough guy he's taken the punches, sacks and catcalls from fans and kept rolling, but IMO he has never really taken the "Challenge" to play his position his best. I feel seriously this year is it for Carr here and with the Texans as he has not shown enough positive play on the field to continue in his position based on merit or circumstance. He needs to win the job and not just win it - but own it out right to solify the confidence of his teamates, his coaching staff and put the fear back in other teams.

Now obviously he hasnt shown this kind of ability just yet, but I think even he knows his job is on the line now and has been communicated to him enough that he knows the team has a sense of urgency now to compete and if he truly wants to stay here and compete - IMO he needs to show it both on and in his off-field work and he will get his chance during camp and OTA's to compete for the job as "Smith" said in his interview. If not - then neither him nor anyone who routes for the Texans can say he hasnt received a fair shot to compete. My hunch is Carr will be here to compete for the job in the fall as I dont see us drafting a rookie and starting the experiment over again - nor do I see us bringing in any veteran until after June 1st cuts are made, because we honestly need our cap space for bringing in other players. Plummer is the most viable option the team seems to be looking at bringing in, but even he knows that most likely wont happen until after June. Plummer and his agent will talk with the Texans and probably any other interested teams and Denver to see where offers are at. My hunch is nobody will jump to grab his 7.5 million contract and will wait till june comes and see what Denver decides to do before making a move for Plummer. IMO Plummer wants to play for Kubiak, but he also wants to get paid and still compete for a starting job. IMO he probably knows if he has to wait till june that Houston is were he will probably end up going to as he will get a chance to compete for the job and play for his fav coach.

Bottom line - Sure we need help on the O-line and a starting caliber RB, but alot of teams need that too. We are not the only one in need of playmakers on our team. I feel confident the staff will pull it together enough to give anyone back there a decent chance of success this upcoming year. The rest will be up to whomever wins the job as the Texans signal-caller.
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The Cowboys set up their future before the salary cap era.
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The Cowboys set up their future before the salary cap era.
And throw in the Herschel Walker trade that netted them a lot of good draft picks...and it's no wonder they were able to dominate so quickly and for so long.

IIRC, the NFL then put into place a rule on trading players for draft picks because of the Herschel Walker trade and how lopsided it was for the Cowboys. You've not seen the same sort of trade since that particular one.

Jerry probably had enough talent to have TWO NFL teams with his roster. Gotta' give them credit for taking advantage of the system back in the day.

Now back to topic: I do not think we'll get an offer for a third round pick for Carr. I think teams are scared off a little bit by how Kubiak "The Quarterback Redeemer" came in and in one year is already potentially shopping Carr...throw in the speculation that we might be pursuing Plummer to fill Carr's shoes and it makes me think teams wonder just how good David could be if we're thinking of going with Jake over David.

David, IMO, is better than Jake. Jake might have a better "I don't give a crap" mentality--which works well for QBs because they can go on and forget about a string of bad plays--but I also think Jake is so far down the road of not giving a crap that he's on the verge of not giving a crap right out of the NFL as a professional QB. I see a guy, in Jake, who is losing competitive "fire" in his belly. His press conferences, IMO, showed us a guy who slumped, shrunk his shoulders, and looked generally perturbed by the "Jay Cutler is going to take your job" issue that eventually overtook Plummer.

And to say that Plummer was better when Kubiak was in Denver...I can see that a little bit, but I also see Cutler doing pretty darn well in Shanahan's system when he took over the reins from Jake. So I'm not sure that the whole Denver offense shut down after Kubiak left town.

I just think Jake's on a fairly gradual decline at this point. He got shamed out of Arizona, labeled "Jake The Mistake," and was replaced by a rookie after he was told in the offseason and during the early stages of the season that "Jake's our guy." I don't know that he's got anything left in the tank. A few bad games here, and all of us will be whining that we inherited a scruffy has-been...and then you'll be saying that we had it better with David.

I want this team to either fully commit to David, or to patiently and strategically choose another "franchise" QB who is not an aging veteran who's wandered the NFL in search of success. Is Jake really that sort of player, the player who is the franchise QB for us? I think he's the latter.

Teams like Dallas and Atlanta have set themselves up for an easy transition with Romo and Schaub. Lanta says they are "building the team and the focus of the offense" around Vick. Yeah, right. They'll put Schaub into a Romo-type situation pretty fast...just in time to trade Vick next season when Vick sputters again.

The QB position is not one that you fool around with. I used to disagree with sitting a young QB and "grooming" him for a few years before playing him. Seeing what Oilers/Titans did with McNair, and with how Romo has played under the same situation, has made a believer out of me.

Maybe the best route is to draft a few QBs over the next two drafts, commit to David for two years, and let those drafted QBs get "groomed" at the same time. If David works out, great. If he doesn't, we potentially have a QB waiting on our sideline who can take off quickly with virtually no hiccups.

Leftwich was deemed a God his first few years. Now look at him. Vick is just now being OBJECTIVELY analyzed and his God stature is beginning to crumble a little. A lot of QBs who "looked' like the real deal, are now struggling. Meanwhile, guys like Brady/Schaub/Romo sat on the bench and waited and waited and waited. There might be something to the idea of sitting a guy and not just throwing him into the lineup.

I don't want other teams cast offs. Do you? I want to be a team who's scouts identify talent, get the talent, groom the talent, and then roll it out onto the field when its ready to go.
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Actually Aikman was Carr's hero growing up

My 2 coppers - Officially I'm on the fence where Carr is concerned. Ive watched enough games to know he hasnt performed his best all the time. Ive also seen enough football to know he hasnt gotten alot of support from the staff or playmakers to work with over the years hes been here to make things work and compete against most other NFL teams on a consistent basis. Injuries happen to every team and not everyone has pro-bowlers all around to play with - that takes time, good drafting/scouting anda little luck. IMO Carr's kind of had to play with a hand behind his back so to speak since he's been here. No QB coach to start with, a revolving door at the OC position and at the skill positions on Offense. To compare just for fun - Troy Aikmans first few years as a Cowboy were not pretty either until they landed Emmitt and had Irvin and Harper to pair with. That took some good GM skill and luck to land all those draft choices and get the right players. It made a big difference long term and Aikman stepped up to par also. IMO some players take their opportunities as a challenge when faced with adversity all around them. While others take a paycheck and point fingers [see TO, Moss etc]. IMO Carr's been a stand up enough guy he's taken the punches, sacks and catcalls from fans and kept rolling, but IMO he has never really taken the "Challenge" to play his position his best. I feel seriously this year is it for Carr here and with the Texans as he has not shown enough positive play on the field to continue in his position based on merit or circumstance. He needs to win the job and not just win it - but own it out right to solify the confidence of his teamates, his coaching staff and put the fear back in other teams.

Now obviously he hasnt shown this kind of ability just yet, but I think even he knows his job is on the line now and has been communicated to him enough that he knows the team has a sense of urgency now to compete and if he truly wants to stay here and compete - IMO he needs to show it both on and in his off-field work and he will get his chance during camp and OTA's to compete for the job as "Smith" said in his interview. If not - then neither him nor anyone who routes for the Texans can say he hasnt received a fair shot to compete. My hunch is Carr will be here to compete for the job in the fall as I dont see us drafting a rookie and starting the experiment over again - nor do I see us bringing in any veteran until after June 1st cuts are made, because we honestly need our cap space for bringing in other players. Plummer is the most viable option the team seems to be looking at bringing in, but even he knows that most likely wont happen until after June. Plummer and his agent will talk with the Texans and probably any other interested teams and Denver to see where offers are at. My hunch is nobody will jump to grab his 7.5 million contract and will wait till june comes and see what Denver decides to do before making a move for Plummer. IMO Plummer wants to play for Kubiak, but he also wants to get paid and still compete for a starting job. IMO he probably knows if he has to wait till june that Houston is were he will probably end up going to as he will get a chance to compete for the job and play for his fav coach.

Bottom line - Sure we need help on the O-line and a starting caliber RB, but alot of teams need that too. We are not the only one in need of playmakers on our team. I feel confident the staff will pull it together enough to give anyone back there a decent chance of success this upcoming year. The rest will be up to whomever wins the job as the Texans signal-caller.
I agree with everything you have said
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I have some questions:
1) Have the Texans had the same oline two years in a row?
2) Have the Texans had the same O coordinator for two years running ?

Let's face it Jake is another question not the answer, the only answer to our teams questions is the one all encompassing consistency. Let's work with what we have for two years solid, which will be hard since Calhoun is gone, Sherman is in, But Kubiak calls all the plays.

Sorry, so far all I see are questions. If the Texans oust Carr, what then ? We'll have someone else to blame, and so will Kubiak.
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HOUSTON (Sept. 19, 2005) -- The Houston Texans fired offensive coordinator Chris Palmer following the team's second straight embarrassing loss.

Palmer will be replaced by offensive line coach Joe Pendry, according to a source who asked not to be identified because the team had not yet made the announcement.

The Houston Chronicle first reported the firing on its Website.

Palmer, who has been the offensive coordinator since the team's inception, also called the plays.

Palmer was the OC for 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , and was fired in 2005 .
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I have some questions:
1) Have the Texans had the same oline two years in a row?
2) Have the Texans had the same O coordinator for two years running ?

Let's face it Jake is another question not the answer, the only answer to our teams questions is the one all encompassing consistency. Let's work with what we have for two years solid, which will be hard since Calhoun is gone, Sherman is in, But Kubiak calls all the plays.

Sorry, so far all I see are questions. If the Texans oust Carr, what then ? We'll have someone else to blame, and so will Kubiak.

I agree with you here. Last year was the time to dump Carr for a second or maybe a low first rounder. I do not know who should be held responsible(for not drafting Vince)but I dont think "The Snake" is the answer.I think we should at least try to get our money's worth from Carr(plus we have a decent back up QB). Oh man , this could get ugly!
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[url]A pro personnel assistant said there is no way the Texans could get a third-round pick for Carr, but a conditional fourth-rounder probably isn't out of the question.
A pro personnel assistant? If the raiders can get a 2nd and 3rd rounder for a late 1st round bust in Buchanon, why is it unreasonable to think the Texans could get a 3rd rounder for a former 1st pick QB who can take a beating?

Call me crazy, but I don't think a 3rd round pick is unreasonable for a Team in desperate need of a QB. There's plenty of teams stupid enough to make that deal.
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