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Old 01-23-2007   #1
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i havent heard much on this lately, but i still think something should be done...like draft a rookie......i think we should get troy smith in the 2nd if is he there???????thoughts on this good or bad i want your ideas....
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Yeah... someone who throws 32 passing yards against a college defense is perfect for us. The difference between him and Carr, is we can blame everything for smith to the fact he can't see over our offensive line.
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Year Games Attempts Completions Comp % Yards TDs Interception QB Rating

2004 8 122 68 55.7% 896 8 3 134.15
2005 11 237 149 62.9% 2,282 16 4 162.66
2006 12 297 199 67.0% 2,507 30 5 167.87
Career 44 656 416 63.4% 5,685 54 12 159.72



why wouldnt you want him. in 06 he threw 297 time completed 199 of them at 67 percent completion and for 2507 yards thats 12.6 yards a completion.....wow.....better than what we have...you know......plus he threw for 30 tds and only 5 int.....thats more tds than carr the last 2 YEARS wow......he sux.....come on he won the heisman trophy he is allowed one bad game
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IMHO, If Troy Smith is sitting on the board when we make our selection in the second rd. we should jump on him in a heart beat....
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Troy "tater Tot" Smith will be lucky to be draft in the first. If he slides into day two, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Spencer 6'-5" Pitts 6'-4" Flanagan 6'-5" Weary 6'-4" Winston 6'-6"



Tater Tot- 6'


OK you may want to ignore the height issue, but the NFL will not. The lost of Ginn Jr. exposed the tater in the national chapionship game. You can throw up as many stats as you want. The bottom line is the heigth and the national campionship game will force him down the boards. His speed will give him a chance to make it. It's going to take a couple of years to get the guy on line IMHO. He not only has mechnical problems, he's got to learn to throw between the gaps in the o-line. That is not an easy thing to learn. His heigth makes him miss open recievers. And in the NFL, where the windows are small, short and quick to close, that is not a good thing for a short QB.
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Troy "tater Tot" Smith will be lucky to be draft in the first. If he slides into day two, I wouldn't be surprised.

Our Line-

OLT LG C RG RT

Spencer 6'-5" Pitts 6'-4" Flanagan 6'-5" Weary 6'-4" Winston 6'-6"



Tater Tot- 6'


OK you may want to ignore the height issue, but the NFL will not. The lost of Ginn Jr. exposed the tater in the national chapionship game. You can throw up as many stats as you want. The bottom line is the heigth and the national campionship game will force him down the boards. His speed will give him a chance to make it. It's going to take a couple of years to get the guy on line IMHO. He not only has mechnical problems, he's got to learn to throw between the gaps in the o-line. That is not an easy thing to learn. His heigth makes him miss open recievers. And in the NFL, where the windows are small, short and quick to close, that is not a good thing for a short QB.
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Smith is the only non-Russell QB I'd be interested in, but it is VERY risky.

His weaknesses were exploited in the Florida game. When he was forced to step into the pocket by the DEs he couldn't see over the line. When he tried to escape athletic DEs he wasn't as elusive or strong as Vick/Young/McNabb. That being said... his athleticism and arm strength can't be overlooked. Neither can his production.

Evidently he is a legitimate 6'0". He's a smaller McNabb or a more athletic Brees. Since this system puts such an emphasis on the bootleg, throwing on the move, and the situational deep ball, I think he really could be a special player and high value pick at #40 for us.

The height is an issue to overcome... but given his track record and Brees and Garcia's recent success... you can't dismiss him on the height and one bad game alone. He's not Flutie small.
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i agree......he is a great athlete and with a powerful arm....i think he would be a good fit because we eally need a qb to be able to run especially if we dont do much upgrading of the oline....that said i would take him in the second if he falls to us and in the first i still say forget the rb and get landry or nelson....
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Year Games Attempts Completions Comp % Yards TDs Interception QB Rating

2004 8 122 68 55.7% 896 8 3 134.15
2005 11 237 149 62.9% 2,282 16 4 162.66
2006 12 297 199 67.0% 2,507 30 5 167.87
Career 44 656 416 63.4% 5,685 54 12 159.72



why wouldnt you want him. in 06 he threw 297 time completed 199 of them at 67 percent completion and for 2507 yards thats 12.6 yards a completion.....wow.....better than what we have...you know......plus he threw for 30 tds and only 5 int.....thats more tds than carr the last 2 YEARS wow......he sux.....come on he won the heisman trophy he is allowed one bad game
Now compare Smith's college stats to Carr's college stats and see what you get.
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i agree......he is a great athlete and with a powerful arm....i think he would be a good fit because we eally need a qb to be able to run especially if we dont do much upgrading of the oline....that said i would take him in the second if he falls to us and in the first i still say forget the rb and get landry or nelson....
Well... he needs good tackles. If he's flushed to the middle he will probably struggle... if he can escape out of the tackles then he'll be fine. He's really a boom or bust player... everything is there except for the height. The height hurt him against Florida, but so did Ginn's injury and some pretty bad playcalling.

He'll be a workout warrior. Will go early 2nd/late first with a great Senior Bowl.
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carr had better everything except ints and yards per completion was about 1 yard shorter than smiths.....diff is we wont have to throw smith to the wolves right away and he wont be a franchise guy and have ton of pressure rght away like carr.....we f'd up carr no one else.....capers and casserly did a number on him ....we might as well start over with the qb.....
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carr had better everything except ints and yards per completion was about 1 yard shorter than smiths.....diff is we wont have to throw smith to the wolves right away and he wont be a franchise guy and have ton of pressure rght away like carr.....we f'd up carr no one else.....capers and casserly did a number on him ....we might as well start over with the qb.....
The difference between Carr and Smith's numbers is Troy Smith played in the Big 10 in a relatively conservative offense. Carr played in the WAC in a pass happy offense (Not saying Carr wasn't a stud, he lit up Big 10 teams too). It's like comparing Vince Young and Colt Brennan's stats... they don't tell the whole story.
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What's the point in comparing stats at all ?
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I would deff take him in the second. like Smith said they will take the best possible player left at the 8spot. I do think they should take Landry though at 8.
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I wonder if the texans will look and question his off the field problems? What do you all think?
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actually id ditn know he had problems? what are they?and i agree with landry in the 1st
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actually id ditn know he had problems? what are they?and i agree with landry in the 1st
I know he has gotten arrested twice in the past 2-3yrs. Im really not sure for what but I know they were saying on espn that he has made a tramendous come back. I think this was his finial chance do straighten up his act.
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actually id ditn know he had problems? what are they?and i agree with landry in the 1st
Here is a little about Smith's "off field issues":

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You hear it all the time out of the sports world.
A tremendous athlete with loads of potential gets into trouble off the field and quickly heads down a slippery slope. Ohio State senior quarterback Troy Smith has loads of potential and he has had off the field problems, but he did what others seldom can: he never slipped.
While a junior, Smith was suspended for Ohio State’s bowl game against Oklahoma State, as well as the first game of the 2005 season, because he accepted $500 from a booster. Some athletes find trouble off the field and it follows them until it eventually sinks their career.
Not Smith.
I seriously doubt this incident hurts him at all...


And I think Nelson is going to shoot up the draft boards and be ranked as the best DB coming out....
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I just wonder if that might be the case for not picking him up in the 2nd round. I still believe thats why they didnt get bush bc all those things that were being brought up about his fam and the house situation. Who knows I just hope they are really smart and look at every possible player and not just address what we need. I do know we need a safety and I think laundry will be the best player on the board at that time. This is a really good draft for corners so I think they will look in the 3or4 round for a corner.
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