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Old 01-16-2007   #1
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Well they powers at be have decided this morning in their mock draft that more notably Jamarcus Russel goes numero uno to Oakland Brady Quinn at numero dos and the only pick that we all care about Adrian Peterson drops to the Texans at numero ocho. I think i would be happy with this pick seeing as how our top back is Ron Dayne and DD/DW Is coming back from a pretty serious knee injury. What say the Texans fans?
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I want Landry in the 1st, and a RB in the second. Someone's lightning to Dayne's Thunder. There will still be quality backs there, and Saftey is a bigger need.

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Unless Kubiak completely breaks from the Denver formula, we won't be taking AP in the first round.
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Well they powers at be have decided this morning in their mock draft that more notably Jamarcus Russel goes numero uno to Oakland Brady Quinn at numero dos and the only pick that we all care about Adrian Peterson drops to the Texans at numero ocho. I think i would be happy with this pick seeing as how our top back is Ron Dayne and DD/DW Is coming back from a pretty serious knee injury. What say the Texans fans?
I would wait on making a decision on any running back until after the Indy Combines.
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Unless Kubiak completely breaks from the Denver formula, we won't be taking AP in the first round.
I think you put way to much into that concept around here. Denver never had many high picks like us but always took backs like Portis if the value was there early in the draft...I think this team will draft talent over filling needs with critical early picks going forward with Richard Smith.
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Unless Kubiak completely breaks from the Denver formula, we won't be taking AP in the first round.
So do we just ignore the fact that Kubes tried to trade back inot the first round to grab a RB?

Yes, I know Denver never selected an RB early; but that does not mean Kubes would be opposed to. If I recall he wasn't running the drafts. Shannahan could have asked for Kubiak's input and he very well might have said let's grab stud RB propect at 22 but Denver decieded to go another direction.

The only draft we should use to evaluate Kubiak's draft philosophy is last years, and the evidence from said draft shows that Kubes my very well draft an RB in the first round.
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I want Landry in the 1st, and a RB in the second. Someone's lightning to Dayne's Thunder. There will still be quality backs there, and Saftey is a bigger need.
OR CB. But one of those two
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I think you put way to much into that concept around here. Denver never had many high picks like us but always took backs like Portis if the value was there early in the draft...I think this team will draft talent over filling needs with critical early picks going forward with Richard Smith.
I like the sound of that
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Well they powers at be have decided this morning in their mock draft that more notably Jamarcus Russel goes numero uno to Oakland Brady Quinn at numero dos and the only pick that we all care about Adrian Peterson drops to the Texans at numero ocho. I think i would be happy with this pick seeing as how our top back is Ron Dayne and DD/DW Is coming back from a pretty serious knee injury. What say the Texans fans?
I saw the same thing last week on ESPN's 1st and 10. I have not decided if I would be for or against this pick. Don't get me wrong we do have other needs. However, can we afford to bypass on him if he is there.

I know Kubes is not going to count on DW coming back healty. Also I am not sure if Dayne is capable of being a feature back. Those two thoughts make me OK with the pick. Knowing that Kubes has been able to turn RB's off the street (so to speak) into 1000+ yard rushers would make me against it. What about his injuries? I did not get to see the bowl game which he made his return in. How did he look?

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I think you put way to much into that concept around here. Denver never had many high picks like us but always took backs like Portis if the value was there early in the draft...I think this team will draft talent over filling needs with critical early picks going forward with Richard Smith.
I'm expecting a volte-face when it comes to Kubiak's selection of running backs. He tried drafting a RB late last year because the team had Dominic Williams. One year later, and DW's status has lowered due to questions of work ethic and durability. I expect Kubes to take a new RB, Peterson or Lynch, whoever is available.
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Unless Kubiak completely breaks from the Denver formula, we won't be taking AP in the first round.
Well we were going to draft a RB with the first pick last year until Bush's agent became difficult and the housing scandal broke.

Plus like Hoth-Boy said, we were going to trade back into the first round to draft DeAngelo Williams before the Bills offered a better deal.
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Well they powers at be have decided this morning in their mock draft that more notably Jamarcus Russel goes numero uno to Oakland Brady Quinn at numero dos and the only pick that we all care about Adrian Peterson drops to the Texans at numero ocho. I think i would be happy with this pick seeing as how our top back is Ron Dayne and DD/DW Is coming back from a pretty serious knee injury. What say the Texans fans?
What are u kidding? I want secondary help badly & wouldn't be unhappy if we went that route in the draft, but if AP falls to us, i think we have to take him for 2 reasons. 1, our scheme is designed around the run game so we would need a stud back & 2, we'd solidify our RB position.

Since this draft is deep in CB's & FS's we should be okay going to into the 2nd picking up a possible starter for our secondary...................... Of course all of this depends on what happens in Free Agency so...
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Peterson seems like a more viable option than Reggie Bush for the Texans team.

Bush is a back that likes to dance and runs a lot. He is lightning quick, but in the NFL, he has yet to be the next Barry Sanders. In New Orleans, Deuce has gotten the workload at Running Back.

On the other hand, Peterson is more of a single cut and run hard running back. He is a powerful runner; who as his name is "All Day"; get stronger as the game goes on.
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I've waffled on this, but if Peterson is there, the Texans have to take him, unless a more highly rated offensive player is still available. Calvin Johnson, JaMarcus Russell, and Joe Thomas are probably the only guys. Bottom line, the team needs an offensive identity, and I think Peterson can bring that. It's not necessarily a great investment of the dollars or the pick, and is very high risk, but he's an immediate impact player. Peterson is also a bone to throw at Houston fans, who've been a bit divided by the Carr/Young/Bush ordeal. There is one playmaker on the Texans offense, and I think Peterson can make it a much better unit immediately. This is the rare occasion where the interests of the fans and team needs unite. It's a risky pick.

I still think Peterson's too good of a fit for Cleveland to pass up. If Russell, Thomas, Johnson, and Peterson are gone, then I think it's clearly a BPA situation. At that point, it's more likely we're looking at a safety or a DT. I wouldn't mind a complementary DE for Mario. Synergy is a great thing, I can't tell if Freeney or Mathis is better, and who makes who better. It's a beautiful thing, and those 2 guys have made them a viable Super Bowl team... so I'm all for DE if there's an active speed rush guy there, worthy of the pick.
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Well we were going to draft a RB with the first pick last year until Bush's agent became difficult and the housing scandal broke.
I've come to the conclusion that Reggie Bush is not and won't be a feature
running back in the NFL. 17 games this season, and only one game where he's
had 100 yards, and I saw parts of that game including a long drive by the Saints where Bush had multiple rushs. And each time he tried to dart outside.
On the other hand, I dunno if Bush can be a pure WR ? I've never seen him run a deep post across the middle, never even seen him run a fly pattern ?
I've seen him run little patterns from the slot, but thats it.
Peterson on the other hand is an NFL feature back. He's Deuce McCalister with a lot more speed. Really he's got Larry Johnson written all over him.
But even though he hasn't blow out a knee, his injuries are very troubling.
These guys jump head-first into the EZ all the time, but who ever heard of
any back suffering a serious injury from that little maneuver/celebration other than AD ?
If it weren't for the concerns about injury, I'd be good with AD. He'd really pumpup offseason interest, and would guarantee a 6th straight year of sell-outs. Might even divert attention from McNairs retention of DC, and you know the ole man would like that.
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I have to weigh in on this issue...again.

In previous posts in several different threads, I have made my case for AP. As some have already posted, his so-called "durability concerns" are not warranted IMO. A broken collarbone and sprained ankle is NOT something that will affect the long-term productivity of a RB.

BTW, his collarbone injury wasn't b/c he dove into the endzone and was celebrating. If anyone watched that game or the highlights, you can see that he was fighting for yardage, slightly spinning, and a defender hit him low and he just carried his momentum into a dive in order to make into the endzone.

If he had blown out his knee a couple of times, torn an ACL, etc. then I too would consider it a high risk, but as it stands now, I think he is a superb talent and great football player. He reminds me of a Larry Johnson/Terrell Davis type RB....one-cut and then head north.

AP is definitely my 1st choice if he is there at #8, and I really think he will be. If we don't take him, the only other scenarios that I want to see are as follows:

-take Jamaal Anderson at #8. (equal value)
-trade down to pick up a FS and acquire an extra draft pick. (better value)

IMO, these two scenarios are the only two that have either equal or better value than the Peterson pick would.
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I've come to the conclusion that Reggie Bush is not and won't be a feature
running back in the NFL. 17 games this season, and only one game where he's
had 100 yards, and I saw parts of that game including a long drive by the Saints where Bush had multiple rushs. And each time he tried to dart outside.
On the other hand, I dunno if Bush can be a pure WR ? I've never seen him run a deep post across the middle, never even seen him run a fly pattern ?
I've seen him run little patterns from the slot, but thats it.
Peterson on the other hand is an NFL feature back. He's Deuce McCalister with a lot more speed. Really he's got Larry Johnson written all over him.
But even though he hasn't blow out a knee, his injuries are very troubling.
These guys jump head-first into the EZ all the time, but who ever heard of
any back suffering a serious injury from that little maneuver/celebration other than AD ?
If it weren't for the concerns about injury, I'd be good with AD. He'd really pumpup offseason interest, and would guarantee a 6th straight year of sell-outs. Might even divert attention from McNairs retention of DC, and you know the ole man would like that.
Most people worry about ACL's and stuff like that. I actually worry more about ankle issues, collarbones, and general durability. Peterson's had issues with shoulder dislocations, which he had surgery for, a broken collarbone, and ankle sprains. That's all not unexpected for RB's, but the extent of it and his running style is a bit worrying. Some guys can just stay healthy, Peterson seems to be the type that's always got something nagging him... there's really no way to know. He is a great runner though, ideally he had have a little better feet.
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I've come to the conclusion that Reggie Bush is not and won't be a feature
running back in the NFL. 17 games this season, and only one game where he's
had 100 yards, and I saw parts of that game including a long drive by the Saints where Bush had multiple rushs. And each time he tried to dart outside.
On the other hand, I dunno if Bush can be a pure WR ? I've never seen him run a deep post across the middle, never even seen him run a fly pattern ?
I've seen him run little patterns from the slot, but thats it.
Peterson on the other hand is an NFL feature back. He's Deuce McCalister with a lot more speed. Really he's got Larry Johnson written all over him.
But even though he hasn't blow out a knee, his injuries are very troubling.
These guys jump head-first into the EZ all the time, but who ever heard of
any back suffering a serious injury from that little maneuver/celebration other than AD ?
If it weren't for the concerns about injury, I'd be good with AD. He'd really pumpup offseason interest, and would guarantee a 6th straight year of sell-outs. Might even divert attention from McNairs retention of DC, and you know the ole man would like that.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make about Reggie...Who cares how he gets his yards? I'm not sure if you were really knocking him or not, but at this point I can almost gaurantee that all 32 teams in the NFL, including the Texans, would take Reggie Bush at this point...
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...but at this point I can almost gaurantee that all 32 teams in the NFL, including the Texans, would take Reggie Bush at this point...
With a $50 million price tag, I'm not so sure. I thought Bush would bring more to the table than he's shown thus far. Still, it's early. Of the top 10 '06 draft choices, only Vince Young has exceeded my expectations.
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I don't understand the point you're trying to make about Reggie...Who cares how he gets his yards? I'm not sure if you were really knocking him or not, but at this point I can almost gaurantee that all 32 teams in the NFL, including the Texans, would take Reggie Bush at this point...
Reggie Bush was taken #2 last year for his ability to be an NFL running back.
Right ? But is he that player ? The Jags rookie Maurice Drew had 300-400 more rushing yards than Bush, while having to share snaps with Freddy Taylor (just as Bush had to share time with Deuce). And Drew was also an excellent receiver and return man as was Bush. Why is Bush a more valuable
player than Drew ? Because he's got a Heisman, gets wall-to-wall hype on ESPN, and went to USC instead of UCLA ? OH yea, and his name is Reggie Bush. While VY won the OROY award, the AP Sports writers made Drew the runner up with more votes for rookie-of-the-year than Bush. And Drew also finished with more total yards than Bush and scored 7 more TDs.
Actually, 5 rookies had more rushing yards than fellow rookie Bush.
Why would 32 teams today draft Bush over Drew if Drew was the more productive and more effective running back ?
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