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Old 01-05-2007   #1
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Very interesting. About a fifty-fifty split. They will find wanting a trade and getting one are two different things. The big queston on the trade for the other club is: Is there a guy on the board worth more than 3000 points ? I mean if all Big Al wants is switch and a two...there'll be clubs lining up for the pick with a switch and a two. I believe he'll get stuck with the pick. He'll have to chose which player gets the fifty million dollar pay day.

very nice post and link ty. Nice interesting read.
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Rumor has Denny Green as the next coach of the Raiders which conjures up visions of Culpepper which conjures up visions of Russell in Oakland.
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Rumor has Denny Green as the next coach of the Raiders which conjures up visions of...
...Randy Moss becoming a playmaker once again. Makes sense.
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...Randy Moss becoming a playmaker once again. Makes sense.
Green just isn't that good of a coach anymore though.
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Green just isn't that good of a coach anymore though.
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Green just isn't that good of a coach anymore though.
Arizona could make Belichick look like a bad coach. Not that Oakland's ownership is light years ahead. Al Davis jumped the shark about 10 years ago.
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JaMarcus has so much up side it's ridiculous. He has one of the strongest arms probably in the history of football. He's a gunslinger. He will make the stupid throws sometimes, but he will make up for them with incredible (and often game winning) throws.

Coming from a hardcore LSU fan who has watched almost all of his snaps, they should take him. Don't think so? Go back and watch the last play of the LSU/Arizona State game last year. One of the best passes you'll ever see to win the game in the final seconds.
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they're not drafting him.
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they're not drafting him.
I don't know. If Denny Green goes to the Raiders I could see them drafting him.
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it's not about how russell fits in with the rest of the team or coaching ideas. it's about al davis' philosophy that his team is never rebuilding and that the raiders are always a stone's throw away from making it back to the super bowl and that he's not going to wait 3-4 years for a quarterback to blossom.
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they're not drafting him.
We know. You've told us about a dozen times. Some people are just hard-headed.
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it's not about how russell fits in with the rest of the team or coaching ideas. it's about al davis' philosophy that his team is never rebuilding and that the raiders are always a stone's throw away from making it back to the super bowl and that he's not going to wait 3-4 years for a quarterback to blossom.
anyone who says teams will NEVER do this or NEVER do that are just setting themselves up to be wrong. Al Davis loves big time CB's and LT's as he thinks they are the key to winning in the NFL but he also loves a vertical passing game. The Russell pick makes sense on a lot of levels.
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anyone who says teams will NEVER do this or NEVER do that are just setting themselves up to be wrong. Al Davis loves big time CB's and LT's as he thinks they are the key to winning in the NFL but he also loves a vertical passing game. The Russell pick makes sense on a lot of levels.
it makes sense from a football standpoint. but not from an al davis standpoint. and that's what matters most.
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it's not about how russell fits in with the rest of the team or coaching ideas. it's about al davis' philosophy that his team is never rebuilding and that the raiders are always a stone's throw away from making it back to the super bowl and that he's not going to wait 3-4 years for a quarterback to blossom.
Just like Kubiak's philosophy of not drafting a running back in the first round even though up until a week before the draft we were going to and tried to trade back into the first round to get one?

Raiders are going to pick JaMarcus Russell with the first pick.
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there's no reason at all to think kubiak wouldn't waver on his feelings on certain things.

there's PLENTY of reasons to think that al davis is absurdly stubborn with the way he thinks, as there's about 40 years of history to back me up. he does things his way, and he will always do things his way.

raiders aren't taking any QB in the first, nosir.
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Arizona could make Belichick look like a bad coach. Not that Oakland's ownership is light years ahead. Al Davis jumped the shark about 10 years ago.
Got it !

Shrewed Vontage reference. Very nice
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there's no reason at all to think kubiak wouldn't waver on his feelings on certain things.

there's PLENTY of reasons to think that al davis is absurdly stubborn with the way he thinks, as there's about 40 years of history to back me up. he does things his way, and he will always do things his way.

raiders aren't taking any QB in the first, nosir.
I think your line of reasoning that Davis refuses to rebuild is sound. I think he is stubborn about that, but I think the recent success of Roethlisberger and Young might make him more pliant on this issue.

I also think they would be willing to trade their pick for Vick. That would be pretty close to a win-win for both clubs. ATL could spin it to their fanbase as an offer they couldn't refuse. OAK would get a guy who has some pretty unique skills and a rocket arm. Say what you want about Vick's leadership, but he may be talented enough to be a punk and still get to a Super Bowl.
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