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Old 01-04-2007   #1
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Default QB Guru my arse....

First I'd like to submit Jake Plummer, Brian Griese, Bubby Brister, and Tommy Maddox as exhibit 1 through 4.... he didn't fix any of these guys.... he didn't help any of them become successful(except Jake for 1(maybe 2) year(s)).

Now.. David Carr...... exhibit 5. I understand he was working late in January & only had a short time to watch game field on David before he made the decision to extend David's contract. But how long would it take you to figure out what his main problems are??

Ok he got the feet thing...... I wouldn't have picked up on it... I'm not a QB, but I can understand how important footwork is. It's the basis for his timing.. it's how his clock sync's with the offense.. the receivers. & it looks like David has come a long way with his foot work. he's maintaining his cadence and stride after he's been sacked, hit, or pressured.

But what was his next problem?? I'd say it's got to be holding the ball too long, or staring down his recievers{not reading his progressions}. How far has David come in these areas?? I don't believe he's improved in these areas at all.

An inability to play out of the shotgun.... how long does it take to teach a 30 year old rookie how to play out of the shotgun??

If you can think of any area David has improved his game, post it here. Maybe I'm wrong, and just don't know what to look at, or I'm looking at it all wrong.



Last but not least I'd like to say I'm not disappointed in anyway that GK is the coach of the Houston Texans. I look forward to bringing the Denver style WCO to Houston..... I'm just not to impressed with his QB tutelage.
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John Elway sound better?
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John Elway sound better?
are you trying to say Kubiak developed John Elway ?
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are you trying to say Kubiak developed John Elway ?
The Broncos didn't win a championship until Kubiak was the QB coach.
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are you trying to say Kubiak developed John Elway ?
Give him Elway..... give him Steve Young... but with just the guys I've mentioned, that's 2-4...... pretty poor avg, and looks more like he hit the jackpot with a stud on two occasions.
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The Broncos didn't win a championship until Kubiak was the QB coach.
Yeah...... that 2000 yard rushing monster in the backfield had nothing to do with it.

It must have been the QB coach..... being that Elway didn't play any better or worse...... he was still Elway.
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Default Re: QB Guru my arse....

Take Plummer off the list. People around Denver circles say the 2 complete flip flop seasons he had is due to Kubiak. He had 3 solid seasons in Denver and collapsed this year when Kubiak left. Maddox also jumped to the NFL too soon. Kubiak is a good QB coach, its just that some of the players you listed seemed doomed from the start.
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I thought the shotgun issue was a Hodgdon thing, not a Carr thing. Anyways, coahes can only take players so far, after that the player just is who he is.
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Take Plummer off the list. People around Denver circles say the 2 complete flip flop seasons he had is due to Kubiak. He had 3 solid seasons in Denver and collapsed this year when Kubiak left.
that makes him a great Offensive Coordinator..... not a QB coach. He obviously didn't teach Plummer anything that stuck. He didn't "fix" him. he hid his weaknesses in the offensive attack.
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I thought the shotgun issue was a Hodgdon thing, not a Carr thing. Anyways, coahes can only take players so far, after that the player just is who he is.
Hogdon was our Center for 4 games this year. David played out of the shotgun on 2 snaps that I can recall.
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As Parcells would say.. David is overconfident
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that makes him a great Offensive Coordinator..... not a QB coach. He obviously didn't teach Plummer anything that stuck. He didn't "fix" him. he hid his weaknesses in the offensive attack.
...or perhaps changed the game plan to fit Plummer's strength, throwing outside the pocket.
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that makes him a great Offensive Coordinator..... not a QB coach. He obviously didn't teach Plummer anything that stuck. He didn't "fix" him. he hid his weaknesses in the offensive attack.
When he had them, he fixed them. Its not his fault if they regressed, Kubiak was able to get the most from Plummer at QB which is hard for anyone else to say. Its easy to fall back to bad habits and the fact that Kubiak was able to get Plummer to minimize his mistakes is a good credit to his name. If you want to beleive that he's not a good QB coach and can't get guys to perform the way he got them to long after he's gone that, thats fine. But please don't make it seem like he's bad because he's not a miracle and career healer.
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Brian Griese went to the Pro Bowl under Kubiak
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What the hell do you want him to do, turn water into wine?
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Tkyss:

You can only coach a guy so far. Sure Kubiak can say...David don't stare your receivers down...check this receiver and that receiver before dumping to this receiver on this (whichever) play. He can only tell David to do these things...he cannot do it for him. I seriously doubt that Kubiak would tell David to stare his receivers down...you can't put that on the coach.

As for holding on to the ball too long that is a feel thing for the QB. You can't coach a guy out of something like that. What are you going to say? "David when you get pressure throw it away or tuck it and run." You can put him through progression and progression in practice to help him learn but he has been gettin pressured for 5 years and still hasn't figure it out.

Teaching a guy to play out of the shotgun? Your right...it can't be all that difficult...which makes me think even worse of David. I can't think of another QB that has this problem, so I wouldn't blame that on the coach. Hell, my 15 year old cousin plays QB and he is damn good out of the shotgun.

Granted...I am sure Kubiak is not coaching Carr perfectly...but I think he is giving him enough of a chance to be successful...thats for sure...David is just not capitilizing.
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John Elway sound better?
Right... How about Steve Young??

http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaching/HOU

Kubiak tutored Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway from 1995-98 and oversaw the most dominant rushing attack in the NFL. In 1998, running back Terrell Davis was named NFL Most Valuable Player after becoming the fourth player in league history to rush for over 2,000 yards

Kubiak started his NFL coaching career with the San Francisco 49ers as the quarterbacks coach. In his lone season in San Francisco, he guided Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young to league MVP honors. Under Kubiak's tutelage, Young posted an NFL-record 112.8 quarterback rating and was named MVP of Super Bowl XXIX after tossing a Super Bowl-record six touchdown passes.

So you say give him 2-4 (young and elway), but don't recognize him for helping Plummer... Hmmmmmm. So if I 'help' someone getting off of crack and help them change their habits, then I move away and that person goes back to their old habits, is that on me or them??I didn't help them.... ?
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Yeah...... that 2000 yard rushing monster in the backfield had nothing to do with it.
Nobody runs for 2000 yards by themselves. It has to be a combination of good offensive line play...a decent enough passing attack (as to where the defense is not stacking the box every play)...and good coaching. Obviously the back has to be good too. I'm sure there are other things that have to take place too.

Kind of like how Peyton Manning couldn't throw for 48 (or something) touchdowns in a season by himself.

Not disagreeing or anything just that's what I was thinking when I read this.
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This conversation shouldnt even be happening. Kubiak is a great QB coach and a great offensive coach. Move on.
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