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Old 01-03-2007   #1
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If rumors and speculation are to be taken seriously out of Reliant Park, David Carr’s career with the Texans might be nearing the end. There is talk of the team either trading or releasing the first overall draft pick of the 2002 draft, but taking such a measure has salary cap implications worth evaluating.

First though, here are some presumed facts about how the Texans have financed their Carr to date:

• The Texans executed a three-year buyback option before the official start to the 2006 season, allowing the team to prorate the $8 million bonus across a fourth year and onto the 2005 salary cap at $2 million per season.

• As it stands now, Carr has a 2007 cap value of roughly $7.25 million, the same as it was in 2006, which is made up of the $2 million bonus prorate plus a base salary of $5.25 million next season.

• Carr is scheduled to earn a base salary of $6 million in 2008, making his current cap value in the final year of his contract roughly $8 million.

• While we do not know for certain how much room the Texans currently have under the 2007 salary cap, recent projections put the team somewhere near $19.8 million. I keep an unofficial tally here on HoustonProFootball.com, and depending on how the team treats the dead money for earlier big cuts like Gary Walker, Todd Wade, and Robaire Smith, that cap room could be closer to $14 million or less.

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This is a must read article for Texans fans. Read it. Read it now.
Yep. I agree. Well written. Keith explains the different scenerios with Carr in a way that even I can understand.
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Default Re: HPF:Financing a used Carr

So either way Carr wins and we lose in the contract of his? I wouldn't mind to see if we get a high pick for trading Carr.
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So either way Carr wins and we lose in the contract of his? I wouldn't mind to see if we get a high pick for trading Carr.
It's called job security
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Am I reading this right? If we cut Carr we only lose $4 million?


Does Keith's $14 million cap projection take into account the $5 cap increase for 2007?
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Am I reading this right? If we cut Carr we only lose $4 million?


Does Keith's $14 million cap projection take into account the $5 cap increase for 2007?
Thats my question as well.... I was prepared for the Carr Cap Hit, but was also thinking it wouldn't be as bad as it could have been because of the Cap increase for 2007.
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Interesting read.
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Yea very interesting , I wonder who the rumors are being started by, John McClain and the media, is that the source?
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If another team is willing to give Carr the $4 million he is owed in a trade scenario, Carr can actually give back (or, more specifically, forfeit) the $4 million he is about to receive from the Texans so long as he does it before the new league year begins in March, thereby saving the Texans that dead money altogether.

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Yea very interesting , I wonder who the rumors are being started by, John McClain and the media, is that the source?
I would say that the comments made by Kubiak himself points towards the fact that something MAY happen, not that it's going to, but that there is a chance. IMO that alone is enough for speculative thoughts on the subject
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I would say that the comments made by Kubiak himself points towards the fact that something MAY happen, not that it's going to, but that there is a chance. IMO that alone is enough for speculative thoughts on the subject
Yea something is happening and that something is nothing, but what ever, it sales papers and keeps you guys interested.
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The interview with Rick Smith on 610 this morning didn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement either.
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The interview with Rick Smith on 610 this morning didn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement either.
I listened to that interview this morning, and I came away feeling the same way...
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I guess you hear what you want to hear when you hear that from Smitty.

What I got, is that he is going to be looked at just like every other player, and it does not start and end with Carr as the problems with this franchise, like others think.

I could be wrong though
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The interview with Rick Smith on 610 this morning didn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement either.
Exactly. No one in the organization is coming out and saying that he is their man. This is a good sign.

If we only lose $4 million by cutting Carr I can see it happening if there aren't any takers on a trade. He makes way too much money to be a backup or a project which he basically is.
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I guess you hear what you want to hear when you hear that from Smitty.

What I got, is that he is going to be looked at just like every other player, and it does not start and end with Carr as the problems with this franchise, like others think.
Do you really think that each player is going to be looked at the same way? Do you think they will look at Carr the same way they do DeMeco? I think not.

There are certain players that have jobs going into next season no matter what (e.g. Ryans, Williams, Daniels, Robinson, Johnson) and then are players that are truly being evaluated to determine if they should be on the roster. Carr falls into the latter category.
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Do you really think that each player is going to be looked at the same way? Do you think they will look at Carr the same way they do DeMeco? I think not.

There are certain players that have jobs going into next season no matter what (e.g. Ryans, Williams, Daniels, Robinson, Johnson) and then are players that are truly being evaluated to determine if they should be on the roster. Carr falls into the latter category.
Is that D. Williams or M. Williams?
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Thats my question as well.... I was prepared for the Carr Cap Hit, but was also thinking it wouldn't be as bad as it could have been because of the Cap increase for 2007.
Me too. From what I've read and heard multiple times now the cap hit would be a prorated cut of his bonus and not his salary and would only count about a little less than 5 mil TOTAL. This with the increase made me think it was worth it.
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I listened to that interview this morning, and I came away feeling the same way...
Me too. In fact he glossed the part about winning the last two games and basically said 6wins wasn't good enough and that the QB didn't perform in some situations and that everything would be evaluated. I took it with an open mind and to me he almost seemed "on edge" about this years performance.
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