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Old 01-03-2007   #1
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Young, who led Texas to the 2005 national championship and was the third overall pick in last April's draft, overwhelmed one of the strongest rookie classes in NFL history. He received 23 votes from a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the league.

That easily beat New Orleans wide receiver Marques Colston and Jacksonville running back Maurice Drew, who had nine apiece; San Diego tackle Marcus McNeill (6); and Saints running back Reggie Bush (3).

Running back Carnell "Cadillac" Williams of Tampa Bay won the award last year. Young is the third member of the Tennessee-Houston franchise to take top rookie honors: Earl Campbell in 1978 and Eddie George in 1996 did it for the Houston Oilers.
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Default Re: Vince Young AP ROY

Congrats to VY!

Since you mentioned it. If the Texans had drafted Vince #1 that might have been the best draft all time.

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that would have been crazy.
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I see your point, but I don't think he would of did what he did as a Texan his rookie year.
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I don't know why not...
For one, the Texans don't play out of the shotgun.
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The Texans don't win games either...so what's your point?
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The Texans don't win games either...so what's your point? I'm sure the franchise that passed on Julius Peppers because he didn't fit the system is happy to pass on Young who didn't fit the system.....wanna know who did fit the Texans system? Jason Babin and David Carr.
Tennessee won 4 more games with Vince Young at QB and Houston improved by 4 wins too. Stop with the Vince nut-hugging already. Vince wasn't the reason Tennessee won all those games anymore than Carr being the reason we won four more.

It's a team game.
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Congrats to VY.
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Default Re: Vince Young AP Offensive ROY

Imagine what Jones-Drew could've done if he wasn't splitting time with Taylor. The Jags sure found themselves a gem late in the second round.

Colston started off the season well, but he was slowed by injury during the second half of the season. He's got a bright future if he continues to perform like he did early on.

Congrats to VY though he deserved it.
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Congrats to VY...but he is who we thought he was, and we let him off the hook!!...
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I'm gonna give my opinion whether you like it or not...talk some football or get out of the forum.....all the little digs and personal attacks for the guys giving opinion ruins this place. Take your nut hugging comments to the other Texans forums....I'm so sick of that kind of talk here just because you don't like VY. I'll talk about VY all I want in the NFL forum.
But your digs about Houston not winning games is fine? All I did was speak the truth. The pregame shows and analysts were all over VY all season long despite his league worst completion percentage, despite his crusty QB rating and despite the fact that his defense and special teams carried him more than twice and then start talking about how Houston screwed up by not taking him? I don't see it. I doubt VY would have carried Houston to more than 4 more wins. Each team improved the same amount of games and Houston did so with 13 players, many of them starters, on the IR.
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Default Re: Vince Young AP Offensive ROY

The point is would Kubiak have brought in a few of the staple 'zone read' plays to integrate into the Texans offense like Chow did up there...

If the answer is yes, I think Vince could have had the same immediate impact here.

If the answer is no, and Kubiak forced Vince to work entirely in his offensive system, then he might not have had the same level of immediate impact here.

A lot of the credit goes to Chow, I think, in how he's worked with him ...

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Default Re: Vince Young AP Offensive ROY

That easily beat New Orleans wide receiver Marques Colston and Jacksonville running back Maurice Jones-Drew, who had nine apiece; San Diego tackle Marcus McNeill (6); and Saints running back Reggie Bush (3).
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Bush is only the #2 rookie Offensive player on his own team, and the #2 rookie running back from his native state. Finished a distant #5 overall.
How will ESPN spin this, or is there hope we can get an object report on
this award and who finished where ?
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Default Re: Vince Young AP Offensive ROY

I don't think that Gary Kubiak in his first season would have been brave/smart/stupid enough (pick one, I'm not sure which one properly fits) to let Vince Young be the player he is, go out on the field, and create the kind of situations that resulted in that win streak (or at least his part of it).

I wasn't a Vince fan but I think now that I know a little more about him and how he plays he could have done the same kind of thing here if he'd been allowed to.

It's not really important whether he would have done that here or not though. What's important is that we could have picked players capable of winning the offensive and defensive ROY awards if we'd taken advantage of the opportunity in front of our face.
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A lot of the credit goes to Chow, I think, in how he's worked with him ...
Great point. It will be interesting to see how VY progresses if Chow ends up as the head coach of the Cardinals. I recall hearing that Arizona had already contacted the Titans requesting permission to speak with him.
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Congratulations, VY - well-deserved.
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That easily beat New Orleans wide receiver Marques Colston and Jacksonville running back Maurice Jones-Drew, who had nine apiece; San Diego tackle Marcus McNeill (6); and Saints running back Reggie Bush (3).
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Bush is only the #2 rookie Offensive player on his own team, and the #2 rookie running back from his native state. Finished a distant #5 overall.
How will ESPN spin this, or is there hope we can get an object report on
this award and who finished where ?
They'll say something about not enough balls to go around in New Orleans, like "of course he didn't win it because he had to share the ball with Deuce, Colston, Horn, etc. If he would have been on any other team, he would have won hands down".
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They'll say something about not enough balls to go around in New Orleans, like "of course he didn't win it because he had to share the ball with Deuce, Colston, Horn, etc. If he would have been on any other team, he would have won hands down".
How about "because of Reggie Bush's amazing decoy abilities, Colston was able to finish 2nd in the Rookie of the Year award"
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Default Re: Vince Young AP Offensive ROY

it's simple, the titans wouldn't have won all those games without vince young. period.

but they also probably would've won that patriots game with a more comptent QB.
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I dunno, but if ESPN was consistant they'd say that The Associated Press
collectively was stupid not once, not twice, not 3 times, but 4 times before they got it right.
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