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Old 01-02-2007   #1
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I guess we'll see a lot of these types of articles in the next few weeks. What's noteworthy is that Carr is being mentioned mostly with players that lost their jobs this year. Has it been leaked that we're trying to move him or is that just a given due to his performance this year?

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradent...s/16363960.htm

Potential free agents include Jake Plummer, Drew Bledsoe, Daunte Culpepper, Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich and David Carr.
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I found this article on Yahoo...say's Carr's status is 50/50.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/p...?urn=nfl,19025



interesting...but...don't want:
Drew ... blah, blah and more blah.
Daunte- NO, NO; overrated and difficult.
Jeff Garcia-could be interesting...shown improvement at Phil
Leftwich-injured to often!

Plummer....I think he may be the guy Kubiak will want,
but I also think we should give Sage a chance to earn the job.
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Default Re: Carr already being mentioned in the rumors...

I think we all know McNair's position on Carr.

It appears that if Kubiak wants to make a move on Carr, he is going to have to prove to McNair why and how his solution is better than the current situation with Carr.

Considering that, Kubiak may just leave it alone because it is more work and he has a lot of other things to do and take care of.

Bottom line, it will be a tough sell for Kubiak. That is if he wants to unload Carr. Which we don't know.
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Carr is being Traded NEWS to me, but hey what do I know, Keep your eyes peeled for a trade Wonger I dont know if you will find one buddy, but keep looking we have a while before the draft.

If he sucks so bad he will not be traded, who is going to give up anything for him, right?
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I think we all know McNair's position on Carr.

It appears that if Kubiak wants to make a move on Carr, he is going to have to prove to McNair why and how his solution is better than the current situation with Carr.

Considering that, Kubiak may just leave it alone because it is more work and he has a lot of other things to do and take care of.

Bottom line, it will be a tough sell for Kubiak. That is if he wants to unload Carr. Which we don't know.
Has it crossed anyones mind that Gary might like Carr as his QB and that he might think that he needs more help, remember Gary was a QB and played behind one of the best, AND HE WAS only the best cause he PLAYED with the best. Whatever!? They do with him will have nothing to do with a popularity contest.
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I think we all know McNair's position on Carr.

It appears that if Kubiak wants to make a move on Carr, he is going to have to prove to McNair why and how his solution is better than the current situation with Carr.

Considering that, Kubiak may just leave it alone because it is more work and he has a lot of other things to do and take care of.

Bottom line, it will be a tough sell for Kubiak. That is if he wants to unload Carr. Which we don't know.
That's why I'm starting to question, Mr. McNair's ability to lead this franchise. This is the NFL, which means Not For Long. Five years of looking at Carr's potential is plenty. Its time to move on.

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Has it crossed anyone’s mind that Gary might like Carr as his QB
No, considering David's attempts per game fell from high 20s & 30s at the beginning of the season to low 20s and teens by the end of the season, I'd say Gary's lost the faith. Besides if the Coach and GM can't come out and specifically state that David is our QB of the future after taking a FULL year to "evaluate" his talent, then there is something very wrong.

I'm still trying to figure out why they couldn't look at the film and make that decision before the draft last year. Personally, I thought it was obvious.

Uh, I thought you stopped posting on this board?
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Has it crossed anyones mind that Gary might like Carr as his QB and that he might think that he needs more help, remember Gary was a QB and played behind one of the best, AND HE WAS only the best cause he PLAYED with the best. Whatever!? They do with him will have nothing to do with a popularity contest.
I don't know what Kubiak likes or doesn't like.

He speaks in a such a way that you really can't press him on anything. For example, "he such a good kid", and on and on...

I am not necessarily banging on Kubiak, he just isn't the type of guy that is going to shoot things right in front of you. He is a little more political and very careful with his words. Which sounds very similar to Dom Capers. Is there a pattern here?

Maybe Kubiak thinks Carr is the QB for Texans. But, I haven't heard him say one way or other recently. Which brings to what I discussed earlier in this post.

I would like to read or see video of Kubiak saying what you say he already has said privately.

I really don't care at this point, I just want some clear direction! Which the Texans have seemed to not have since day one with retrospect, regardless of the Carr situation.
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Do you really want to keep a guy that is only worried about making his "jack" and going home to his family - not my kind of teammate...
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If Kubiak and Bob liked Carr so much ... why did'nt they end this discussion already by saying ... Dave's our QB . They have'nt done that .

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McNair and his football decision skills are starting to scare me. Just because you are incredibly successful in one business in parts of your life doesn't mean you can just learn football and what it takes. I have no clue how he can see the fans, the city and how the team has played with Carr and think that it might be good just to keep him because of the money.

Kubes might personally like Carr but to me he coached like his hands were tied this year with Carr at the helm.
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If Kubiak and Bob liked Carr so much ... why did'nt they end this discussion already by saying ... Dave's our QB . They have'nt done that.
Exactly.

If you've ever heard the term "damn with faint praise", that comes to mind when I hear coach K talk about DC. Sometimes DC hasn't even gotten faint praise.

It wouldn't surprise me to see BM and coach K talk up DC right to the point they do something about it. After all, you don't take your used lemon into the dealer for trade-in and tell him it burns oil, won't start on cold days, A/C doesn't work...
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Carr is being Traded NEWS to me, but hey what do I know, Keep your eyes peeled for a trade Wonger I dont know if you will find one buddy, but keep looking we have a while before the draft.

If he sucks so bad he will not be traded, who is going to give up anything for him, right?
my thoughts exactly. the guy has shown next to nothing for 5 years. it's not like any team is going to give us anything for him...the only way he will be traded is if we are forced to eat someone else's overpaid with low production player under contract.

IMHO, teams will just wait until he is released after the June roster date. This will lessen the Texans cap hit for releasing him and as well as let Carr enter the open market.

another possibility would be that Carr may be given a Pennington-like ultimatum and told to restructure deal or face being cut. Tie this reworked contract to incentives off statistics, wins, and playoffs that could approach his current deal's numbers. I doubt the Texans would go that route though. They have been carebear-ing Carr since DayOne. They don't want to hurt the 'face of the franchise'. Why expect a change now.....

here is to 2007 without Carr as starting QB and building our team identity around defense and a ball control offense.
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I think Carr can be successful in Houston. He just needs to be given another shot and I think the Texas Copperheads are the team to give it to him. He can head down to their offices and ask for a try out. He might be successful in the Arena League and he doesn't have to worry about the pay since he already punched his meal ticket with the Texans. This way everyone wins. The Carr lovers can still see their boy locally, and the Texans can move in a better direction.
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More rumors about Carr from Pro Football Weekly:

"The departure of offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak in the offseason cannot be understated in explaining the demise of Jake Plummer in Denver. Plummer and Kubiak had a close working relationship that Plummer and new assistant head coach Mike Heimerdinger never shared. Look for Plummer to possibly resurface with Kubiak in Houston next season to either challenge or replace David Carr."

I'd rather have Garcia than Plummer as a short-term fix, but still prefer Plummer to Carr (ugh). If the team keeps Carr, he definitely should be kept on a short leash and forced to EARN the starting job, not have it handed to him on a silver platter. My view is, if Sage or Jake beat out Carr for the starting job, Carr should be cut because he makes far too much money to sit on the bench.

In other news from the same column, here are some nuggets about Anthony Maddox and Kris Brown...

"Texans DT Anthony Maddox appears to have secured a place in the team’s future plans with his play down the stretch.

There’s a sense Texans PK Kris Brown may have saved his job with his kicking in the final month of the season."

I agree completely with the last two points. Maddox definitely made an impression. As for Brown, I had been hoping for much of the year that the team would get rid of him at the end of the season, but he played great the last month, and his kick to beat the Colts more than justifies his return. GO KRIS!!!


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I think Carr can be successful in Houston. He just needs to be given another shot and I think the Texas Copperheads are the team to give it to him. He can head down to their offices and ask for a try out. He might be successful in the Arena League and he doesn't have to worry about the pay since he already punched his meal ticket with the Texans. This way everyone wins. The Carr lovers can still see their boy locally, and the Texans can move in a better direction.
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I think Carr can be successful in Houston. He just needs to be given another shot and I think the Texas Copperheads are the team to give it to him. He can head down to their offices and ask for a try out. He might be successful in the Arena League and he doesn't have to worry about the pay since he already punched his meal ticket with the Texans. This way everyone wins. The Carr lovers can still see their boy locally, and the Texans can move in a better direction.
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Someone needs to get the Plummer memo to Kubes and Mcnair.

Jake will be on a shorter leash with the fans than Carr is/was. If Jake were to come here to be the immediate starter, and open up with a few bad games --Reliant would become unbearable for coach and team. It's time this front office makes some sound decisions, and JP is not one of them...
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IMHO this is what i see it boiling down to. This is an account from when the Texans became a team up to now.

1. At QB DC has alot of trust issues with the line(understandable). I would say that since he has been in the league, he has been tortured. The texans make one good offseason move and expect miracles from DC. To me thats like putting a bandaid on a GSW. #2 makes part of this possible.

2. AT rb DD is very consistant, he gets injured every year, but i do not see in hate DD threads. OK he can run like he stole something and is a small but physical back, but what people are saying about DD is he's a good back. So from a conclusion i get from what the fans say is he is a talented back, but a sally, or he is a guy who will be good for half a season. # 3 makes part of 1&2 possible.

3. The o-line is horrendous. Or as i call it (I am sure DC thinks this way to) the o-crap line. I liken DC to a dog you have on the porch and you kick him for 3 years everyday. Every time you go on the porch the dog will freeze and cower, (DC seems to freeze on every snap in some games when the o-crap line is sleeping). I think it is some sort of complex by now that DC holds the ball too long. ( like the dog you kick the only thing he has is a damn bone and he will eat it before he lets his master take it away). Then you have oft injured DD. Poor DD I bet when he see's DE's in publice he shudders. He has no where to run except into the ground, because if they do not block for DC why would they block for DD????? #4 doesn't help 1&2 either because of #3.

4. The i should be on a special bus teams. Face it without a threat at a decent return specialist, ( and i do not mean JM he has potential but is not proven because of injuries). We do not get good field position, unless the other teams blocking breaks down. We have upgraded nicely here though so I expect more from this unit as far as kick returns go. However our Special teams are inconsistant at best as far as coverage goes.

5. Our defense as a whole is a bunch of guys (patch work if you will) over achieving at under achieving. They have so much potential, but no execution. I think they need to re-learn the fundamentals.

6. Our D-line has bright spots but seem too passive at some points like the say f#@% it man the offense will not score anyway whats the use of playing our a##%# off if we will just be right back out here after 3 and out??? I think MW will be strong next year. I think he had so much pressure on him to be the best and the fact that his foot is jacked up that is was too much for him. I mean what if you gave a really good interview for a job and got it, but everyone of your co-workers and those who watch the profit margins are betting that you are not employee of the month or even week potential and you try to perform at a level of a CEO (and that was expected from MW from training camp by the majority of the fans). It would almost be like going home and your mom and dad saying did you loose your really good overpaying job yet??? Quit limping sally and get to work I raised you better. (remember this announcement The rockets select Robert Horry!!!! BOO! BOO! BOO! BOO! and all the man did was put a rockets hat on to get that welcome to Houston now go home!)

7. Our secondary is atrocious! I mean D-rob is a bright spot but i think even he is getting weary. I feel sorry for him. He will be a Probowl DB but he needs help, and even he is showing signs of the mental mistakes and being lacksidasical. He is by far my favorite Texan though. He is a defensive leader who is talking to a bunch of texan jersy inserts who won't execute. That must be unnerving.

8. Play calling is way to conservative. At some point the coach has to say. Hey DC here is the freakin football go win us a game, and if you need guidence ask me thats what i am here for. I co-ordinate things in practice and get you ready for th game but I cannot play it for you too. If I was DC i would say. Hey coach let me sustain my position. Give some freedom and let me see what I can do, and if I stink then I will go, but if I win then let me keep doing what I am doing. (That is called taking ownership of your responsibilities as a leader) It's like at a casino, if you want to win big you have to bet big. I do not know of many people who put 1 nickel in a slot machine and walk out a millionaire. However # 2&3 severely affects # 8...no pun intended...lol!

9. Mismanagement of personnel. Now they have DW (A return SPECIALIST WOOHOO!!) He should get the starting nod as return man. Put JM in the offensive scheme. Work him like a dog as the #3 WR. Then in pre-season make him work it and earn his keep. ( I know he has been injured but we need him with his speed in the slot or flank. Teach him to be physical so he can get off the line, and i bet he can creat space so DC can air it out on both sides or in the post. Ever wonder why DC goes to AJ so much??? Well besides being a beast at WR he is fast (like JM) and can make plays. Well just a though here but if you have 2 fast guys with decnt hands hwy oh why don't you put them opposite of each other or hell next to eack other and streak one and post the other or something?????? I mean this is kindergarten stuff!! Right?? I equate this to the front office and previous coaching on the field myself. I do not know how others feel but I call it as I see it.


To sum it up here are the few bright spots that I see in the Texans.
1. D-ROB!!!!! (NEED I say more??)
2. DeMeco!!! (Excellent vision of the whole field and great awareness for a rookie)
3. Kubes!!!!! (If he is left alone which I do not know if others give input. I think he has potential as a head coach.)
4. Richard Smith (I think he can impose his will on the defense. He seems like a strong leader.)
Right now Kubes and the Texans are doing what Rumsfeld did with the Army. You go to war with what you have not what you wish to have. In other words until the leadership of the Texans realizes how much potential they have and put the square pegs in the square holes and the round pegs in the round holes (efficiency, and proper management of skills and abilities) Then they will not be successful.

Well I have long enough now it is time to while I get all of the rebuttles that i know will rain down. But hey I love it...tease:
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Someone needs to get the Plummer memo to Kubes and Mcnair.

Jake will be on a shorter leash with the fans than Carr is/was. If Jake were to come here to be the immediate starter, and open up with a few bad games --Reliant would become unbearable for coach and team. It's time this front office makes some sound decisions, and JP is not one of them...
so the fans are supposed to sit through 5 years of bad QB play with Carr but then with Plummer its instant results or the Boo Birds come out?

just trying to clarify things. I am not huge on Plummer either but if he is brought in, he deserves a clean slate. as fans, we would owe it to him to give more than 16 games before we start trashing him...
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