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Old 12-29-2006   #1
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I'm at a loss to understand why we've had 2 HC's that absolutely refuse to start anyone (unless he's hurt) else at QB other than Carr. With all the questions and all the doubts, why would you not want to try another player to see what they can do?

Kubiak talks about competition and the 'best' player plays, yet he keeps starting a player that is not getting the job done-a player that he's had to simplify his game plan for-a player that---for some reason(s)---does not throw the ball down field.

On one side, we hear it's Carr's fault and on the other we hear it's the teams for not putting Carr in the best position to succeed---another Kubiak promise.

HELL-O, anybody home? JMO, but it is not fair to the fans (you know, us that are the Texans reason for being here) to not try another player at a position that has been under achieving since day one...

IMO, there are ways to find out if it's the player or the system...bottom line, we aren't going to win on a consistent basis until this problem gets solved....:brickwall :brickwall
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Kubiak got the job by promising to make Carr into a player. Now that Sage is out, and Carr played a smart controlled game last week, you really think he is going to pull him for Van Pelt? I wanted to see Sage in NY vs. the Giants, but that's water under the bridge. At this point, there is no way Kubes will pull the plug on Carr for a 3rd string type player. That would be an admission of failure, ruin what little chance there is of a trade, and make them look foolish. Don't count on this one.
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Default Re: ...try something different

Making changes for the sake of "doing something" when you have a problem without bothering to understand the issues at hand is a classic management screwup that invariably makes things worse.

And before you say "it can't get any worse" - you're wrong. We could be 2-14 again, or even 0-16.
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Am I the only person wo finds it amusing that this thread is titled "...try something different" and yet contains the same junk I've been reading for months?

tsip you should get a fine from the league for false advertising or something.
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I'm at a loss to understand why we've had 2 HC's that absolutely refuse to start anyone (unless he's hurt) else at QB other than Carr. With all the questions and all the doubts, why would you not want to try another player to see what they can do?

Kubiak talks about competition and the 'best' player plays, yet he keeps starting a player that is not getting the job done-a player that he's had to simplify his game plan for-a player that---for some reason(s)---does not throw the ball down field.

On one side, we hear it's Carr's fault and on the other we hear it's the teams for not putting Carr in the best position to succeed---another Kubiak promise.

HELL-O, anybody home? JMO, but it is not fair to the fans (you know, us that are the Texans reason for being here) to not try another player at a position that has been under achieving since day one...

IMO, there are ways to find out if it's the player or the system...bottom line, we aren't going to win on a consistent basis until this problem gets solved....:brickwall :brickwall

The first couple of bolded suggest to me that you know why he's still here in the starters role, you just want someone else for the sake of change. You even went so far as to say "unless he's hurt". Well, look at when he was hurt who started & how they did. Dave Ragone i don't even think is in the league anymore.........enough said. Tony Banks.......maybe won 1 game, so to put it all in context, maybe there isn't/hasn't been anyone better on rosters.

Plus i think even the staunchest Carr haters can at least agree that when he has time, he can get the job done.
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It's strictly political. Bob McNair doesn't want Carr to challenged for his job. We've seen plenty of times with Banks and now Rosenfels what the offense could do with even a marginal NFL-caliber QB and it scares him.

As the owner has been quoted numberous times... we are going to do whatever it take to make David successful. Translation... winning football games doesn't matter. Protecting his favorite player is the only thing that matters.
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We'll never fix our offensive line until we fix Carr.

We'll never fix Carr until we fix our offensive line.

Hopefully our offensive line will be able to allow us to run the ball against the good teams in the league next year.. & our defense can take away the passing game of the better teams...... as well as the run. Get us some short fields with some turnovers.

Heck, it would help out alot if we can play out of the shotgun...
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I honestly believe Kubes is using this season to evaluate Carr. It is well know that Carr was horrible coached and possibly babied by the previous regime. Sure there was tons of tape for Kubes to watch. But he thought he could turn David around. If he feels he can't then seeing somoene next year or drafting someone to take his place sometime down the road are possibilities.

If he did start someone else I believe Van Pelt would be the only option. What good would that do? He was only brought in a few weeks ago and is probably does not know enough to manage an entire game. Oh wait, Owen Daniels played a little QB. Give him a shot, too.

What are you looking to accomplish with this. Are you looking to see if someone can do worse than DC?

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The first couple of bolded suggest to me that you know why he's still here in the starters role, you just want someone else for the sake of change. You even went so far as to say "unless he's hurt". Well, look at when he was hurt who started & how they did. Dave Ragone i don't even think is in the league anymore.........enough said. Tony Banks.......maybe won 1 game, so to put it all in context, maybe there isn't/hasn't been anyone better on rosters.

Plus i think even the staunchest Carr haters can at least agree that when he has time, he can get the job done.
It depends on what you mean by "get the job done". By getting rid of the ball prematurely with no rush? By throwing the ball down field? Or a 2-5 yard dump without going through his progressions? Or by staying out of the way of the rest of the team? Just curious
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Am I the only person wo finds it amusing that this thread is titled "...try something different" and yet contains the same junk I've been reading for months?

tsip you should get a fine from the league for false advertising or something.
When I saw the title, I knew that there was not anything really different about to be discussed.
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If he did start someone else I believe Van Pelt would be the only option. What good would that do? He was only brought in a few weeks ago and is probably does not know enough to manage an entire game.

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Bradlee spent all year with Kubiak last year....... and sat behind JakePlummer as they went to the AFC Championship game.

I'd be surprised if he couldn't "manage" a game. I'd bet he'd be calling audibles from the first snap.
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MAN! DC thread #1,907,957,999.

Someone cant understand why we dont start the practice squad guy, or the guy who just walked in off the street for dc.

Why dont all the haters "try something different", clean your shorts like a big boy, and quit crying for JUST A WEEK, I BEG OF YOU! I wont go into any DC apologist excuses, but I know from here, the same four or five people are gonna drop all the "Cause Kubiak promised to fix David so he could get the job" crap, then some poor soul will say something defending Dave, and then those same four or five will talk of homers and battle red kool-aid and such.

Dont you guys get tired of typing the same redundant crap over and over???

Dave is what he is, everyone wants him to to be the big play guy, but he's not, he's a game manager type QB right now. And last weeks game showed that with a solid TEAM effort, he can lead us to wins.

you may now continue your "stupid homer, battle red Kool-aid" talk
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Bradlee spent all year with Kubiak last year....... and sat behind JakePlummer as they went to the AFC Championship game.

I'd be surprised if he couldn't "manage" a game. I'd bet he'd be calling audibles from the first snap.
Thanks for the correction Thunder. I completely forgot about that.

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hey hey answer this..

After two head coaches why havent the offensive line play better? why havent we have a dominant running game?

Answer that
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I saw something different yesterday...

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I don't have any to give you so sorry. I'm not sure how I'd get it to you over the internet anyway (maybe order it through Amazon.com?). I guess this thread is as good as any to ask though.
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Got to play Carr this week as we still do not know what we have and moreover his trade value depends upon stringing two good games together in Texans wins. Does not happen often so fingers crossed.
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Porky & tsip.. Here's an idea. Since you both think that being fans of the Texans, mean so much that you should have input in the way we play on Sundays. Here is your chance. Just go to Reliant Stadium for the " Fan Appreciation Day." Bring your " I want Sage signs " or " I have a better idea sign." Hope to see you on the coaching staff next year.
I have an idea. How about mixing in a take on something other than member's posts regarding Carr?
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Got to play Carr this week as we still do not know what we have and moreover his trade value depends upon stringing two good games together in Texans wins. Does not happen often so fingers crossed.

I absolutely expect a decent game out of Carr this week. I think the Texans will try to again run the ball like it's going out of style and then give him very easy to manage situations to throw in.

The good part is we should close the season out with a pair of wins. The bad part is that another solid if unspectacular effort on the part of Carr won't end the debate any. I don't think it will convince anyone out there to trade for him. I think minds are mostly made up about David at this point. I think nothing short of a monster game (or a truly terrible one) from him leaves the debate exactly where it is and the off-season rolls in with more of the same.

I'd welcome either performance if I thought it would settle the issue and let the Texans (and us) move on somewhat united. Unfortunately I want the win more than I want the David Carr Wars to be over so I support the Texans in (what I believe will be) their likely approach to this last game.
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I don't think how Carr plays Sunday will have much effect on other teams' opinions of him. Most minds are made up - and not all negative.

I'm sure that their are a few coaches out there that think, "with our XXXX* Carr will be a productive quarterback". Coaches make moves based on expectations and "fixing" a player all the time. I think, should the Texans try to trade him, Carr will have strong interest from at least a few other teams.

XXXX = our line, our system, etc.
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