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Old 12-28-2006   #1
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I would have to agree with the following from Jerome Solomon of the Chron:

"When put in situations where the team needs its quarterback to make a play, the Texans have morphed into a team that just gives up most of the time. Again, that's good coaching, but it's not winning football over the long haul. If the Colts could tackle, the game might not have been close.

Third-and-8 from the Indy 47 with a seven-point, third-quarter lead, is not the time to throw the ball to Mark Bruener four yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Third-and-9 from the Indy 27 with a four-point, fourth-quarter lead, is not the time to send Kevin Walter on a faux reverse and give the ball to Chris Taylor up the gut, especially with Eric Moulds and Andre Johnson not even asked to run pass patterns to loosen up the defense. Block down boys, you're nothing but extra linemen with Carr at QB.

Those two plays failed, and could have cost the Texans the game. Not every play is going to work, we understand that, but when you limit your playbook because your quarterback isn't any good, you need a new quarterback. If you limit your playbook to the number of plays you can write on a matchbook cover because you have no confidence in your quarterback, you need a new quarterback.

Heed the advice of Bill Belichick: "You have to put players out there that you have confidence in and believe in. If you don't, they shouldn't be out there. You should find somebody else that you can feel that way about." "

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please provide a link, thanks
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The Texans also ran the ball successfully MULTIPLE times on 3rd and long. Where's the complaining about that?
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Default Re: Anybody Here Read Jerome Solomon?

He's a pretty good writer; I like what he writes about. Unlike that Richard Justice guy. I don't know how he got a job covering the Texans in the first place.
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Default Re: Anybody Here Read Jerome Solomon?

I have to say taht he makes a good argument. The fact that Carr has not shown any big play ability says something. He cannot make things happen, which even a Qb with a bad line should be able to do, if even periodically.
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http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon...carrs_pla.html

The link to Solomon's blog. He brings up very good points.
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Am I the only one who sees opinions being affected by race here? I wonder what percentage of the VY lovers (ie Carr haters) are black. Obviously, not all of them, but I wonder. I know Moon was hated on by some white people for a while and now I think I'm seeing some of the opposite.

I think we need a thread about Carr that only non-Caucasion and non-black people can post in. That would be interesting. Oh, and no teenage girls drooling on Carr's hair.

We might want to keep out certain alumni as well.
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Default Re: Anybody Here Read Jerome Solomon?

Well....he made that pass to AJ to secure the win?

He dove for the TD against Jax to win

He scrambled 20 yards with a bad arm to secure the win against Atlanta.

He has made the plays (and has missed some, but Ive watched fumbles that were not his fault and dropped passes as well), but the media in this town want revenge on the Texans not taking VY.
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Am I the only one who sees opinions being affected by race here? I wonder what percentage of the VY lovers (ie Carr haters) are black. Obviously, not all of them, but I wonder. I know Moon was hated on by some white people for a while and now I think I'm seeing some of the opposite.

I think we need a thread about Carr that only non-Caucasion and non-black people can post in. That would be interesting. Oh, and no teenage girls drooling on Carr's hair.

We might want to keep out certain alumni as well.

Some perspective. Moon and Carr are no where near the same type of QB. I'm
a black man that thought Moon was overrated. I'm a black man that thinks Carr is overrated. Opinions based on race? I think Carr has done a good job on his own creating this disdain people have for him. Carr's inability to read a defense has little to do with him being white but more to the fact that he isn't that good anyway. But I guess by Carr having that credential of his whiteness trumps all knowledge that is plan to see by the eyes. (insert the typical argument) " A scrambling QB has never won a Super Bowl!" Yada, yada, yada. I know for a fact that there is now and have been in the past more "protype" QB's in the NFL. Not all QB's that, per se, fit the bill win Super Bowls. You can choose to blame another person's admiration for certain players(VY or whomever) to cloud their judgement to dislike another(Carr). But at the end of the day, Carr will have to own up to his subpar play. It won't be because VY or Bush wasn't picked. It will be because he knows what is at stake with his career in Houston. David had the perfect opportunity to shut me and a ton of people up this year by coming out and playing at another level. But no he performs like it's no big deal and seems to be content with losing. I'll bet you one thing VY heard all the bad things about him (and continues to, why I have no idea) and is HELL BENT on making a ton of non believers, believers. I guess that's the difference. I guess the cream does indeed rise to the top. Come on, buddy. Carr is the QB on record. People need to be more focused on his play or lack thereof. Stop blaming other people and factors for his own faults.
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Well, I'll just say this:

We need to do something about the sack problem. Some people think replacing Carr in itself would fix that. I don't know, but if another QB gets sacked 40 something times or more, I won't be happy about it. Too many sacks is a huge problem no matter who the QB is. I think 5 yrs. of way too many sacks is a much bigger problem that who our QB is, unless the sacks are Carr's fault too, which I kind of agree with, but not most of them.
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The White Guy in the VY jersey says you probably shouldn't make it a race thing
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Dude, you're white? No kidding?
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I know that there are plenty of people who have no bias in this whatsoever. I'd just like to know the percentages. That's all.
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Well, I'll just say this:

We need to do something about the sack problem. Some people think replacing Carr in itself would fix that. I don't know, but if another QB gets sacked 40 something times or more, I won't be happy about it. Too many sacks is a huge problem no matter who the QB is. I think 5 yrs. of way too many sacks is a much bigger problem that who our QB is, unless the sacks are Carr's fault too, which I kind of agree with, but not most of them.
How long are we going to talk about OL problems? For this to be a problem year in and year out, you would think something would be done by now. We went to zone blocking, put the guys on weight loss plans, hired coaches with "fortes'" in OL coaching, drafted for it, went out in FA and paid for it, started our expansion draft with it, moved guys around along the line, and so on and forth. You get my point. I can't imagine what else to do with the OL. Why do other QB's succeed with sub par lines but our guy can't? I'm sorry, i'll buy that excuse for a minute but that ******* is getting older than 8-tracks already are!
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The White Guy in the VY jersey says you probably shouldn't make it a race thing
Thanks for bringing in some reality to this thread.
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How long are we going to talk about OL problems? For this to be a problem year in and year out, you would think something would be done by now. We went to zone blocking, put the guys on weight loss plans, hired coaches with "fortes'" in OL coaching, drafted for it, went out in FA and paid for it, started our expansion draft with it, moved guys around along the line, and so on and forth. You get my point. I can't imagine what else to do with the OL. Why do other QB's succeed with sub par lines but our guy can't? I'm sorry, i'll buy that excuse for a minute but that ******* is getting older than 8-tracks already are!
Going to zone blocking and lightening your O-linemen does not help your pass blocking. Neither does starting a rookie LT, moving the only adequate LT we've had to LG, using Victor Riley at LT, losing Spencer (who had definite promise) to a broken leg, or using freaking Steve McKinney as a starting center for four years. McKinney at center vs. a nose tackle is a huge problem with pass protection--see Steelers game. We can't even take a 7 step drop because Carr would get sacked on the fifth step. Now maybe it's the O-line AND Carr. That is possible.
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I would have to agree with the following from Jerome Solomon of the Chron:

"When put in situations where the team needs its quarterback to make a play, the Texans have morphed into a team that just gives up most of the time. Again, that's good coaching, but it's not winning football over the long haul. If the Colts could tackle, the game might not have been close.

Third-and-8 from the Indy 47 with a seven-point, third-quarter lead, is not the time to throw the ball to Mark Bruener four yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Third-and-9 from the Indy 27 with a four-point, fourth-quarter lead, is not the time to send Kevin Walter on a faux reverse and give the ball to Chris Taylor up the gut, especially with Eric Moulds and Andre Johnson not even asked to run pass patterns to loosen up the defense. Block down boys, you're nothing but extra linemen with Carr at QB.

Those two plays failed, and could have cost the Texans the game. Not every play is going to work, we understand that, but when you limit your playbook because your quarterback isn't any good, you need a new quarterback. If you limit your playbook to the number of plays you can write on a matchbook cover because you have no confidence in your quarterback, you need a new quarterback.
Heed the advice of Bill Belichick: "You have to put players out there that you have confidence in and believe in. If you don't, they shouldn't be out there. You should find somebody else that you can feel that way about." "
Is it lack of faith in the QB or lack of faith in the O-line, in an obvious passing situation, against one of the best pass-rushing teams in the league? I agree the play calling baffled me at times, but our O-line just plain sucks at pass protection.
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sure the O line is bad and any QB in the league would get sacked a lot. but, it appears to me that Carr panics or makes bad decisions more than most. he takes sacks he shouldnt (he still hasnt learned to 'just get rid of it') and then gets rid of it too soon underneath when he actually does have time.

these are the intangibles that you cant teach and are some of the traits that define a good qb. I agree that he has talent, but so did many guys who rolled thru the league and washed out.
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sure the O line is bad and any QB in the league would get sacked a lot. but, it appears to me that Carr panics or makes bad decisions more than most. he takes sacks he shouldnt (he still hasnt learned to 'just get rid of it') and then gets rid of it too soon underneath when he actually does have time.

these are the intangibles that you cant teach and are some of the traits that define a good qb. I agree that he has talent, but so did many guys who rolled thru the league and washed out.
There are 7 QBs that have been sacked more than Carr this year. Bulger, Lossman, and Vick are the only 3 that have done better than Carr. The other 4 have not. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortabl...dir=descending

I guess Michael Vick has no pocket presence.

Of the 4 who have done worse than Carr, 1 of them was the Superbowl champion QB last year.
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Well, I'll just say this:

We need to do something about the sack problem. Some people think replacing Carr in itself would fix that. I don't know, but if another QB gets sacked 40 something times or more, I won't be happy about it. Too many sacks is a huge problem no matter who the QB is. I think 5 yrs. of way too many sacks is a much bigger problem that who our QB is, unless the sacks are Carr's fault too, which I kind of agree with, but not most of them.
Have I ever mentioned that Tom Brady was sacked over 40 times the year he won his first SuperBowl??

'sides...... when you design an offense around a three step drop, and your QB pulls the ball down after making the initial decision to throw the ball..... it's not your lines fault if he gets sacked. The QB should not have the ball.

Every Sack David has taken out of a 3 step drop, he decided to throw the ball, then pulled it back down. That's the QBs fault. I'd imagine that's 20 sacks this year.

So in my mind, our OL has given up 20 sacks. That's pretty darn good if you ask me. Pretty Darn Good.

If David threw the ball away on those 20 attempts, we'd all be complaining that he threw the ball away to much.... but I'd much rather complain about that, than knowing the very next play was either a run or a punt, because our QB can't play the position after a sack. Might as well pull him off the field, because he isn't doing anything anyway.

By throwing the ball away, we waste one play..... by taking the sack, we waste two.
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