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Old 05-24-2004   #21
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i think Gruden will reunite with Gannon, and Brad Johnson will be cut ending up with Baltimore.
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Actually, Gannon is 38 and Collins is 31...
Ok...then 1 year before Gannon starts hustling other retirees at shuffle board and that would make Collins only slightly damp behind the ears in the Raiders eys.
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Collins has a better pedigree than Plunkett had when he went to Oakland. Of course he also has more baggage but then that's par for the course for a Raider player.

IMO this was a real good move for the Raiders. Time will tell though.
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Collins has a better pedigree than Plunkett had when he went to Oakland. Of course he also has more baggage but then that's par for the course for a Raider player.

IMO this was a real good move for the Raiders. Time will tell though.
Better pedigree than Plunkett? On what basis do you make that statement? I could be wrong but I seem to remember Plunkett winning the Heisman & selected #1 overall in the draft. He was forced into a bad team, like Eli Manning this year, seemed finished then Al Davis re-vitalialized him in Oakland where he won a Superbowl.
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Better pedigree than Plunkett? On what basis do you make that statement? I could be wrong but I seem to remember Plunkett winning the Heisman & selected #1 overall in the draft. He was forced into a bad team, like Eli Manning this year, seemed finished then Al Davis re-vitalialized him in Oakland where he won a Superbowl.
Simple. I base this on the fact that when Plunkett arrived in Oakland he'd accomplished almost absolutely nothing on the professional level. The year after he came to the Raiders Dan Pastorini was going to be their starting QB. Plunkett was going to back him up. The Raiders traded for Pastorini so clearly they didn't think he was going to break loose late in his career.

Dan broke his leg and the rest was history. Prior to his success with the Raiders though Plunkett hadn't been successful since his college days (which you accurately make mention of). He never played on a New England team that finished better than .500 and only finished at .500 once. In San Francisco he led them to one winning season and then it was back to losing. He came to Oakland looking like a bust.

Collins comes to Oakland having had success in the NFL. He led the Giants to the Super Bowl and the Panthers to an NFC championship game. Has he been an elite QB? Of course not but he's had success. His off the field problems messed his career up right square in the middle of it but he's turned it around and proven that he can win.

Maybe that should have read "better NFL pedigree" than Plunkett though.
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The thing that was so impressive about Plunkett was he threw the ball downfield so softly, like a pillow with remarkable touch & accuracy. Not especially mobile except when he had to as exlemplfied in the Superbowl. Traits that Collins has never exhibited.

We'll have to see how the team responds to Collins, I would think Gannon would be the popular choice. But both should look very good with that revamped offensive line led by Robert Gallery. He happened into a very good situation in Oakland, out of the NY, good luck ELI
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