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Old 12-25-2006   #1
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Default Reconsidering the OL depth chart

First let me say that I'm a big fan of the new coaching staff. With that said, I think they made two vital errors that kept this team from having an 8 win season.

1. This one has been talked about on thes boards so I won't belabor it. We should have kept Seth Wand.

2. This is the big mistake in my mind. I think that you can attribute 2-4 losses this year on the play of our backup OTs. Furthermore, even before the Spencer injury in week 2, the coaches had a three-man rotation at guard: Weary, Mckinney, and Pitts. I think the biggest mistake of the year for this staff was not moving Pitts to LT after the Spencer injury... Essentially, we would have still had two starters at guard... in addition, we'd have had a very capable LT. Then, later in the season, after the Weigert injury, a fresh and healthy Salaam could've stepped in at RT. I really believe this season would've turned out radically different.
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Injuries cannot be prevented...and what has happend, happend.

What I would like to see next year:

Either us draft a franchise left tackle or bring someone in ( Roman Obden, Leonard Davis). And then Move Spencer to right tackle to battle out with winston, if he is ready, and beats winston out, put winston at that right tackle spot and have him battle it out with weary. I want to see McKinney back at Center and let him and Flanagan battle it out, while Pitts remains at left guard. Competition brings the best out in players... and I would love to see a lot going into 2007 with the Texans.
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You can start Flannigan and then when he gets injured McKinney can step in.

I say sign Steinbach or Derrick Dockery for a Guard position.

its starting to get jumbled by everything I read

LT: Spencer, Free Agent, Draft
LG: Pitts
C: Flannigan, MicKinney, Hodgen
RG: Weary, McKinney, Winston, Spencer
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LT- draft
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RG- winston
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Well it is Christmass for me because at least people are talking about the sore spot. It's easy to fall in love with guys. But, I dissagree with your assesment on the oline. In our division we have to encounter six times a year
defensive lines which feature Albert Hanyesworth, Henderson & Stroud, and you can bet Tony Dungy will be up grading this off season. Coming in here yesterday without their two lions at Saftey and /simons and Monte Reager was a hugh factor for the upset win yesterday.

They are still looking for an anchor on the o-line. We saw with DC yesterday
what could have been with this franchise with Boselli IF he'd of recovered and been at 90%. DC's pergression would not have been stunted. I have no desire to throw the guy to the wolves again in '07. What ever the Texans do with him...my christamss wish with DC is that NOW, not next year...they fish or cut bait on the guy. That means if they're going to skip fixing the o-line one more time this year, they need to turn the guy loose. the guy has Played Judas goat long enough for the franchise. Roll away the stone Uncle Bob, let the guy go.


Last I looked...Wand and Jopru were playing specail teams with somebody else. Niether one is capable of beating out anyone for PT. I don't know if you're his brother in law or what, but we saw all we were going to see out of Wand & Beanie. You can keep posting it if you want....Let us know the next time you see signs of nfl life out of either. We'll be waiting with baited breath.
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Default Re: Reconsidering the OL depth chart

We need more proven horses to give us more options on the O-Line. I understand taking Boselli, he was a huge talent and seemed worth the gamble that he would play again. But that was year 1.

So I am hoping the front office is going to be pessimistic and assume that Spencer may not be back, and that we will have injuries and go for some serious depth on the Line.

How they do this is going to be complicated, using first round picks to trade for vets (preferably in their third or fourth year) or whatever, but then that is why Rick Smith is getting the big bucks.
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Yesterday's line-up of McKinney, Weary and Pitts performed very well. I would think interior linemen wouldn't get any consideration before the 4th-5th rd. Spencer is already lightly running and is at 325. Draft a tackle in the third that can be a solid swing tackle or bring in a solid swing tackle through FA. However don't spend all that money on somebody like Davis who might not even beat out Spencer. You're basically asking them to do another Todd Wade, remember that. Our line did well yesterday and considering all the injuries has actually jelled pretty well. Next yr. with better depth I see no reason why our line can't be a strength.
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Wand is a great left tackle, that's why he is starting for.... uh... wait for it... nobody. He's behind Michael Roos on Tennessee's depth chart.

Wand was nothing more than a project and is barely in the NFL. If anyone thinks that having this guy on the roster would mean 2-3 more wins, well, maybe they've had too much egg nog.
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Last I looked...Wand and Jopru were playing specail teams with somebody else. Niether one is capable of beating out anyone for PT. I don't know if you're his brother in law or what, but we saw all we were going to see out of Wand & Beanie. You can keep posting it if you want....Let us know the next time you see signs of nfl life out of either. We'll be waiting with baited breath.
I agree Wand wouldn't have made 2-3 win difference unless the rest of the line stepped up all year too, but I don't think Salaam, Winston. Wiegert, or even Spencer would be starting if they joined the Titans halfway through the season as a back-up either. Most of them wouldn't start if they were there in training camp for that matter. Just because Wand is a back-up in Tennessee doesn't mean he's worse than Salaam and Winston because they are starters. The Texans wanted him back when Wiegert went down; maybe the coaches thought the same thing after looking at what they were left with.

Our guys are starting for a poor team, and they all got it together for their first very good outing of the year. There might be signs of life, but yesterday is still the exception rather than the rule. We still need to address the o-line in the off-season.

I don't know why I'm discussing this anymore anyway - Wand is better off where he is. He's probably talking about play-off scenarios with his buddies while our players are wondering who we'll draft next. He's 6-0 this year with a shot at the playoffs and sticking on a good team next season.

I wonder how many of our lineman would trade spots with him.
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To me, moving Chester Pitts back to guard was the biggest mistake of this franchise. It is almost like we keep looking for that super model girlfriend when we have the girl next door right in front of our face. Pitts may not be an all-pro left tackle, but he was an average to above average left tackle that almost NEVER GETS HURT. His health is a big reason why I would move him back to left tackle and fill in the rest of the line during draft and free agency.

Draft:
1. Adrian Peterson or Marshan Lynch
2. OG mabye Ben Grubbs
3. OC mabye Ryan Kalil

Line in 2007
LT - Pitts/Salaam - Salaam will not even see the field
LG - Ben Grubbs/ Mckinney
C - Flanagan/ Kalil - Flanagan will teach Kalil to take over the job
RG - Weary/ Mckinney
RT - Spencer/ Winston
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To me, moving Chester Pitts back to guard was the biggest mistake of this franchise. It is almost like we keep looking for that super model girlfriend when we have the girl next door right in front of our face. Pitts may not be an all-pro left tackle, but he was an average to above average left tackle that almost NEVER GETS HURT. His health is a big reason why I would move him back to left tackle and fill in the rest of the line during draft and free agency.

Draft:
1. Adrian Peterson or Marshan Lynch
2. OG mabye Ben Grubbs
3. OC mabye Ryan Kalil

Line in 2007
LT - Pitts/Salaam - Salaam will not even see the field
LG - Ben Grubbs/ Mckinney
C - Flanagan/ Kalil - Flanagan will teach Kalil to take over the job
RG - Weary/ Mckinney
RT - Spencer/ Winston

We've had this discusion befor. Pitts is the left gaurd on this team. He was drafted as a left gaurd. And judging by Coach Kubiacks Quote entering camp...he's staying at gaurd. I thought the pancake on the goal line with Pitts pulling to the right was a pretty fair block myself. If we leave the guy alone, he has the chance at becoming an All Pro at left gaurd. You want a fair line and a 9-7 win season ? Give up the pretties in the first round one year and get the o-line fixed. If the o-line is good enough ,it doesn't matter a whole lot that you don't have super man behind the center. I think Kubiak proved that one in spades yeaterday.
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Steinbach - Pitts - Weary - Winston - Spencer

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Good Offensive Line depth. That is the Key.

LT - 1 st Round Pick / Spencer
LG - Pitt / Saalam
C - Flannigan / Hodgen
RG - Wery / McKinney
LT - Wiggert / Winston

The toughest thing is that based on Kubiac's history. Spencer might have been the steal of the Draft. He took over the Left Tackel position in Training Camp and Pre season. Too bad he got hurt

Even Demeco Ryans took a bit longer to entrench himself as the Starting MLB.
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First let me say that I'm a big fan of the new coaching staff. With that said, I think they made two vital errors that kept this team from having an 8 win season.

1. This one has been talked about on thes boards so I won't belabor it. We should have kept Seth Wand.

2. This is the big mistake in my mind. I think that you can attribute 2-4 losses this year on the play of our backup OTs. Furthermore, even before the Spencer injury in week 2, the coaches had a three-man rotation at guard: Weary, Mckinney, and Pitts. I think the biggest mistake of the year for this staff was not moving Pitts to LT after the Spencer injury... Essentially, we would have still had two starters at guard... in addition, we'd have had a very capable LT. Then, later in the season, after the Weigert injury, a fresh and healthy Salaam could've stepped in at RT. I really believe this season would've turned out radically different.
The only error this organisation made Einstien is that no one figgured out a way to strap up Dayne's head gear so he can keep his fricken head up.And his eyes open when he runs. When Charles Spencer went down...the season was in the tolliet. Pitt's is the left gaurd. And thanks Murphy for bring this up again for the tenth time.
I ain't looking up the Quote out of camp...Kubiak says he's staying put. Period. I get it . Why can't you ?
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We've had this discusion befor. Pitts is the left gaurd on this team. He was drafted as a left gaurd. And judging by Coach Kubiacks Quote entering camp...he's staying at gaurd. I thought the pancake on the goal line with Pitts pulling to the right was a pretty fair block myself. If we leave the guy alone, he has the chance at becoming an All Pro at left gaurd. You want a fair line and a 9-7 win season ? Give up the pretties in the first round one year and get the o-line fixed. If the o-line is good enough ,it doesn't matter a whole lot that you don't have super man behind the center. I think Kubiak proved that one in spades yeaterday.
Coach Kubiack has made some mistakes this year. Playing Hodgen over McKinney is one and moving Pitts was another one (Plus many more that donít belong in this thread). Plus, the guard position is a little easier to find than Left Tackle. All I am saying is this organization doesn't have to waist picks on a position that they can solidify tomorrow. Hell, you can even wait to the 3rd and 4th rounds to get a guard to fill the holes that moving Pitts would create.
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The only error this organisation made Einstien is that no one figgured out a way to strap up Dayne's head gear so he can keep his fricken head up.And his eyes open when he runs.
It also would have helped if Spencer had not been pushed back three yards into the backfield on a running play.
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Here are the plain facts:
Wand stunk. He deserved to be released. (By the way, he isn't the reason the Titans have gone 6-0)
Spencer was the 3rd best LT on the team. The other two are starting now at other positions. Spencer was just handed the position in training camp. He couldn't run block, which tells us why the run game stunk for the first couple of games.

In this league you have to be able to run and pass effectively. Establish the run, and the passing opens itself up.

The current line has been together now for 3 games and showing dramatic signs of improvement. Give credit where it is due.
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Steinbach - Pitts - Weary - Winston - Spencer
Steinback won't sign with us b/c we can't offer him enough and still draft. if he did it would look more like Winston Steinbach Pitts Weary Weigert
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Steinback won't sign with us b/c we can't offer him enough and still draft. if he did it would look more like Winston Steinbach Pitts Weary Weigert
What will Steinbach be wanting?

if not him what about Dockery?

LT: Spencer, draft
LG: Pitts
C: Flannigan, McKinney, Weary
RG: FA (Steinbach or Dockery), Weary, McKinney
RT: Winston, draft (Weigert is horrible)

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