Why I haven't given up on David Carr yet

[Hottoddie]

I'm one of those that still believes Carr can be a very good quarterback for the Texans. He may never be the kind of QB that can put a team on his back & will them to victory, but I'm okay with that. Because, I realize that it's okay for another player to be the one capable of carrying the team on his back (remember Earl?).

I believe that Carr has more than proven he's unable to make quick reads & decisions on the fly. However, if given adequate time, I believe that he can pick a team apart. He's got a very strong arm, is very accurate, & can run very well, when need be. He's definitely proven that he's a tough kid & can take a beating, while getting back up & into the game.

There are those that claim he can't read defenses, however, I disagree. He just needs more time than other QB's to go through his check offs. We've all seen a player do nothing on one team & then become an All-Pro on another team. While that may be due to a change of scenery, I believe it has to do more with the new team being set up to better utilize that player's skills. Let's take Vince Young & Reggie Bush for example.

VY is not a traditional drop back passer. He has to be able to free lance & make one on one plays. If he were inserted into a team that required him to sit back there & just pass the ball, I don't believe he'd be nearly as effective.

Reggie Bush is not a traditional between the tackles running back. He's much more effective in open spaces. If he were forced to conform to the role of a traditional running back, I believe he'd be totally ineffective.

In my opinion, Carr is better suited to be a traditional drop back passer. He just needs the time to do his job. And, that's why I haven't given up on him yet. For the first time in this franchise's short history, the Texans addressed the offensive line by drafting 2 tackles that I believe are our future left & right tackles for the next several years. Unfortunately, Spencer got injured & we've had to make due with less talented players. I'm praying that Spencer fully recovers & that the Texans are able to add some upgrades to the interior linemen (center & RG). I believe that if Carr were given the same amount of time to throw the ball that Peyton Manning gets, he'd be very effective.

So, the reason I haven't given up on Carr yet, is because I truely want to see what he can do behind a solid offensive line. If he still struggles after that, I'd be more than willing to personally escort him out of the city.

[Honoring Earl 34]

In my opinion if anyone liked David ... they would want him to start fresh .
Another team and another town with a clean slate .

[tex]

And better fans

[Ibar_Harry]

Originally Posted by Hottoddie

I'm one of those that still believes Carr can be a very good quarterback for the Texans. He may never be the kind of QB that can put a team on his back & will them to victory, but I'm okay with that. Because, I realize that it's okay for another player to be the one capable of carrying the team on his back (remember Earl?).

I believe that Carr has more than proven he's unable to make quick reads & decisions on the fly. However, if given adequate time, I believe that he can pick a team apart. He's got a very strong arm, is very accurate, & can run very well, when need be. He's definitely proven that he's a tough kid & can take a beating, while getting back up & into the game.

There are those that claim he can't read defenses, however, I disagree. He just needs more time than other QB's to go through his check offs. We've all seen a player do nothing on one team & then become an All-Pro on another team. While that may be due to a change of scenery, I believe it has to do more with the new team being set up to better utilize that player's skills. Let's take Vince Young & Reggie Bush for example.

VY is not a traditional drop back passer. He has to be able to free lance & make one on one plays. If he were inserted into a team that required him to sit back there & just pass the ball, I don't believe he'd be nearly as effective.

Reggie Bush is not a traditional between the tackles running back. He's much more effective in open spaces. If he were forced to conform to the role of a traditional running back, I believe he'd be totally ineffective.

In my opinion, Carr is better suited to be a traditional drop back passer. He just needs the time to do his job. And, that's why I haven't given up on him yet. For the first time in this franchise's short history, the Texans addressed the offensive line by drafting 2 tackles that I believe are our future left & right tackles for the next several years. Unfortunately, Spencer got injured & we've had to make due with less talented players. I'm praying that Spencer fully recovers & that the Texans are able to add some upgrades to the interior linemen (center & RG). I believe that if Carr were given the same amount of time to throw the ball that Peyton Manning gets, he'd be very effective.

So, the reason I haven't given up on Carr yet, is because I truely want to see what he can do behind a solid offensive line. If he still struggles after that, I'd be more than willing to personally escort him out of the city.

I had a very long post on this subject, but it never made it to the web site. Lately I have had several posts get jammed and get lost. In any event the problem is David should have never been drafted by the Texans for the above reason. Capers wanted a QB who basically handed the ball off to the running back. Carr was not known for his ball handling capabilities. He was not known for being a deft faker and roll out passer. What he was known for is drilling the ball on a rope to his receiver who then had an advantage over the defense.

Another to thing to remember is that in College Carr had a very good O-line. Mankins who played LT at Fresno State never allowed anyone to get to Carr through him when Carr was a senior. Carr had an outstanding WR who had gifted hands. Carr has never had those as a Texan, and in fact, I believe this year has had his motion and delievery changed to throw with far less momentum than before. Instead of David being David and the coaches working to develop a team around what they had they tried to develop the team into something it wasn't. Unfortunately while Kubiak said he was going to do things differently, he did not. He did the Capers thing. The result is what you see.

I would love to see David stay and prove his worth, but its almost fool hearted to think the Houston fans would allow that. I feel Kubiak humiliated David in the last game and that was the last straw for David and the fans. I think Kubiak under estimated what impact his news conferences were having on his star pupil and the fans. They were extremely counter productive and the last game was the straw that broke the camel's back. Again, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, except I don't believe there is any way for David to get a fair shoot in Houston despite the fact we have never had an O-line.

No, it really is time for Carr to move on. Its like a bad marriage. To many words have been spoken for the marriage ever to work. Kubiak has publicly put too much blame on Carr week after week in his news conferences and made public displays on the sidelines. The worst part is that on at least one occassion Kubiak admitted it was his fault. However, that display was all over this board and few of those fans felt differently about it or even knew that Kubiak said he shouldn't have done that. David in fact had made the right decision. The end result has been a public outcry which literally back fired on the Texans. In fact I have stated if I were McNair I would fire Kubiak for placing him in an extemely embarrassing position. Its almost like Kubiak wanted to make certain Carr and the team failed at all cost. He cloaks it in terms of evaluating players, but I think it is more than that.

[Blu]

Your a day late and a dollar short.

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

In my opinion if anyone liked David ... they would want him to start fresh .
Another team and another town with a clean slate .

Good Texans think alike.


Merry Christmas,

Blu

[ryansisgod]

Originally Posted by Blu

Your a day late and a dollar short.

Blu

well said.

your my boy blu! lol!

[the wonger need food]

Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

I had a very long post on this subject, but it never made it to the web site. Lately I have had several posts get jammed and get lost. In any event the problem is David should have never been drafted by the Texans for the above reason. Capers wanted a QB who basically handed the ball off to the running back. Carr was not known for his ball handling capabilities. He was not known for being a deft faker and roll out passer. What he was known for is drilling the ball on a rope to his receiver who then had an advantage over the defense.

Another to thing to remember is that in College Carr had a very good O-line. Mankins who played LT at Fresno State never allowed anyone to get to Carr through him when Carr was a senior. Carr had an outstanding WR who had gifted hands. Carr has never had those as a Texan, and in fact, I believe this year has had his motion and delievery changed to throw with far less momentum than before. Instead of David being David and the coaches working to develop a team around what they had they tried to develop the team into something it wasn't. Unfortunately while Kubiak said he was going to do things differently, he did not. He did the Capers thing. The result is what you see.

I would love to see David stay and prove his worth, but its almost fool hearted to think the Houston fans would allow that. I feel Kubiak humiliated David in the last game and that was the last straw for David and the fans. I think Kubiak under estimated what impact his news conferences were having on his star pupil and the fans. They were extremely counter productive and the last game was the straw that broke the camel's back. Again, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, except I don't believe there is any way for David to get a fair shoot in Houston despite the fact we have never had an O-line.

No, it really is time for Carr to move on. Its like a bad marriage. To many words have been spoken for the marriage ever to work. Kubiak has publicly put too much blame on Carr week after week in his news conferences and made public displays on the sidelines. The worst part is that on at least one occassion Kubiak admitted it was his fault. However, that display was all over this board and few of those fans felt differently about it or even knew that Kubiak said he shouldn't have done that. David in fact had made the right decision. The end result has been a public outcry which literally back fired on the Texans. In fact I have stated if I were McNair I would fire Kubiak for placing him in an extemely embarrassing position. Its almost like Kubiak wanted to make certain Carr and the team failed at all cost. He cloaks it in terms of evaluating players, but I think it is more than that.

It's all been just one big 5-year conspiracy to make Carr look bad. This is the best excuse I've heard yet.

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

I had a very long post on this subject, but it never made it to the web site. Lately I have had several posts get jammed and get lost. In any event the problem is David should have never been drafted by the Texans for the above reason. Capers wanted a QB who basically handed the ball off to the running back. Carr was not known for his ball handling capabilities. He was not known for being a deft faker and roll out passer. What he was known for is drilling the ball on a rope to his receiver who then had an advantage over the defense.

Another to thing to remember is that in College Carr had a very good O-line. Mankins who played LT at Fresno State never allowed anyone to get to Carr through him when Carr was a senior. Carr had an outstanding WR who had gifted hands. Carr has never had those as a Texan, and in fact, I believe this year has had his motion and delievery changed to throw with far less momentum than before. Instead of David being David and the coaches working to develop a team around what they had they tried to develop the team into something it wasn't. Unfortunately while Kubiak said he was going to do things differently, he did not. He did the Capers thing. The result is what you see.

I would love to see David stay and prove his worth, but its almost fool hearted to think the Houston fans would allow that. I feel Kubiak humiliated David in the last game and that was the last straw for David and the fans. I think Kubiak under estimated what impact his news conferences were having on his star pupil and the fans. They were extremely counter productive and the last game was the straw that broke the camel's back. Again, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, except I don't believe there is any way for David to get a fair shoot in Houston despite the fact we have never had an O-line.

No, it really is time for Carr to move on. Its like a bad marriage. To many words have been spoken for the marriage ever to work. Kubiak has publicly put too much blame on Carr week after week in his news conferences and made public displays on the sidelines. The worst part is that on at least one occassion Kubiak admitted it was his fault. However, that display was all over this board and few of those fans felt differently about it or even knew that Kubiak said he shouldn't have done that. David in fact had made the right decision. The end result has been a public outcry which literally back fired on the Texans. In fact I have stated if I were McNair I would fire Kubiak for placing him in an extemely embarrassing position. Its almost like Kubiak wanted to make certain Carr and the team failed at all cost. He cloaks it in terms of evaluating players, but I think it is more than that.

If Carr had shown any where close the consistency you have over five years we would not be having this controversy. Absolutely amazing.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

If Carr had shown any where close the consistency you have over five years we would not be having this controversy. Absolutely amazing.

yet hardly surprising

[Texan Gal 312]

Would the bring in Jake Plummer supporters make a list so we can tell you all at once what great general managers you would make next year if things pan out this way.
I have always been a David Carr supporter but it is best for him to find a fresh start.
However, is this going to help the Texans ? I seriously doubt it.
If we bring in a rookie, they need to sit on the bench and learn. That would mean starting Rosenfels. Do you really see him taking our offense over the top.

Mr. Lopez I have met Damon Huard and Jake Plummer, and they are no Drew Brees. In fact they can't carry his Jock.

I just don't see a miracle coming in at quarterback.

[bigTEXan8]

i'm a big carr fan, but he needs to get the **** out of houston. i don't put into question his want to win, his ability, anything. i just think that houston isn't going to be the place for him. maybe there would be a bit more slack if houston hadn't been without football for x number of years (sorry, don't know off the top of my head), but houston fans aren't going to give him a breath of air from now on unless there is a complete 180 in the way things have gone with his team. my thing is, carr=scapegoat. people need to remember, the entire team has sucked this year.

[Cruuuuuuuz]

OK.
Carr gets one more chance!!!!
But we really need to get an OL and RB...especially RB...so Carr can hand-off...Oh christ... Carr's a fumbler!DOH!
Damn..that's it for Carr...

[Hottoddie]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

In my opinion if anyone liked David ... they would want him to start fresh .
Another team and another town with a clean slate .

Liking him has nothing to do with what my post was about. I have no personal feelings for him one way, or another. I like the Texans & feel that all we need is some better protection for Carr & a stud running back to carry the team. Replacing Carr alone, won't fix those 2 glaring needs. All replacing Carr does, is cause us to need a new QB as well as a RB & stronger OL. That sounds to me like we're taking a step backwards in the overall scheme of things.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Hottoddie

Liking him has nothing to do with what my post was about. I have no personal feelings for him one way, or another. I like the Texans & feel that all we need is some better protection for Carr & a stud running back to carry the team. Replacing Carr alone, won't fix those 2 glaring needs. All replacing Carr does, is cause us to need a new QB as well as a RB & stronger OL. That sounds to me like we're taking a step backwards in the overall scheme of things.

We need a new QB whether David stays or goes....what's your point? We took a step backward when we extended Carr's contract. Without question.

So which is it? Keep mindlessly plodding the wrong way on a one way road - OR - admit your going the wrong way, turn around, and ask for directions

McNair is the father who won't stop and ask for directions when he gets lost. Even Dan Reeves tried to get him on the right path but since he told McNair that he was going the wrong way, McNair shut him out and kept driving.....on a road to nowhere.

Bob, ask for directions for Christ's sake and this time listen to them and not to your PR-addled self.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Hottoddie

Liking him has nothing to do with what my post was about. I have no personal feelings for him one way, or another. I like the Texans & feel that all we need is some better protection for Carr & a stud running back to carry the team. Replacing Carr alone, won't fix those 2 glaring needs. All replacing Carr does, is cause us to need a new QB as well as a RB & stronger OL. That sounds to me like we're taking a step backwards in the overall scheme of things.

We're 6-24 the last two years ... we can't go backwards .

[Ryan]

not to mention 22-56 in this team's history

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

I had a very long post on this subject, but it never made it to the web site. Lately I have had several posts get jammed and get lost.

Ibar...you don't get anything deleted. You tend to get a few posts merged into other threads, but you never have anything deleted...I see everything that is deleted here and none of your posts quality for termination. Try searching your post history sometimes.

[jerek]

Originally Posted by the wonger need food

It's all been just one big 5-year conspiracy to make Carr look bad. This is the best excuse I've heard yet.

Equally stupid is the assertion that Billionaire Bob is on an indefinite conspiracy to keep Carr here at all costs (or better yet, won't draft Longhorns), and yet I see people perpetuate that here on a daily basis.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by jerek

Equally stupid is the assertion that Billionaire Bob is on an indefinite conspiracy to keep Carr here at all costs (or better yet, won't draft Longhorns), and yet I see people perpetuate that here on a daily basis.

Everything I know about McNair says to me that ......everything revolves around Carr. From the choice in coaches (Kubiak was hired to "fix" David) to the vast reaches of his marketing efforts. Bob loves David and is keeping him here at all costs. Despite the outrage of the fans McNair came out last week and stated that he was behind him 100% while taking a shot at VY....I'd say it isn't a stupid assertion that Billionare Bob is in a lovefest that is hurting the franchise.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by jerek

Equally stupid is the assertion that Billionaire Bob is on an indefinite conspiracy to keep Carr here at all costs (or better yet, won't draft Longhorns), and yet I see people perpetuate that here on a daily basis.

Do you honestly doubt the old mans partiality towards DC, and how that might cloud his judgement about Carr ?
IMO all of us, and most of all David Carr and his family, need to have him move on to another place, another time.