Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-17-2006   #1
ToroFan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Rep Power: 9 ToroFan is ridin' the pine
Default Let's Not Get Down On Mario

I like many of you was upset by VY's td last week. We can play woulda, coulda, shoulda, but the fact of the matter is we didn't draft VY or Reggie Bush.

We should give props to those who said that those two would have an impact (which they have). But I am sick and tired of people comparing Mario Williams to Sam Bowie. MW wasn't like a no-name kid who came out of nowhere. He was largely regarded as the best defensive player in the draft.

This past week, I was thinking if he was drafted number 3 overall instead of 1, would he have faced as much criticism. I doubt it. I think it's all a matter of perspective. I was on the fire kubiak team earlier this week because I was angry. I now realize that he needs some time to prove himself. While a part of me remains skeptical, he has done a pretty good overall with this draft.

We may even take a cue from our neighbors to north. Jerry Jones fired a Texas legend in Tom Landry and hired a college coach. That first year they stumbled to a 1-15 record, but they laid the foundation for championship teams in the future.

Mario has done nothing to endure our hate except not be VY or Reggie Bush. He seems to be a man of high character (he was about to quit football in college to support his sister, whose husband was killed in Iraq). He's played through pain. And at times this year he has appeared dominant. He also is one of the youngest rookies (he may be the youngest?) in his class, so he may still be growing into his body.

Almost all rookies hit rough patches in their first year. VY and Reggie Bush both started off really slow, before coming on as of late. Colston was setting the world on fire until he got injured. I think it's a part of the process of going from playing 12 or 13 games in college, most of which you can coast through because you are more talented than everyone else to 16 games against top flight competition every week.

Let's put this past week behind us and support Mario. I'll leave the discussion about Carr for another thread.
__________________
Texans need more cow bell
ToroFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #2
Goldeagle
Hall of Fame
 
Goldeagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Spring
Age: 41
Posts: 1,816
Rep Power: 12 Goldeagle is a Pro BowlerGoldeagle is a Pro Bowler
Send a message via Yahoo to Goldeagle
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

I think Bush stinks, he has not even come close to living up to the hype, heck Id take Addai, Williams, Maroney over Bush any day of the week. I even think Lundy has more rushing TDs than Bush and more rushing yards.

Since we cannot put our efforts to fix the O-line VY would have been nice since he can run better than Carr.

Im not worried about passing up Colston, heck every team passed him up until round 7, and who would have thought AJ would be butterfingers a time or two this season.

Mario has not lived up to expectations, and I am willing to give him next year to show us what he can truly give us. Im not down on him but I want to see him take over a game the way Peppers can.
Goldeagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #3
MrMeToo
All Pro
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 922
Rep Power: 0 MrMeToo does not work well with others
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

I never thought Mario would be good anyway.He's just proving to me I'm right...
__________________
I don't respect Golden Girls
Vince Young OWNS Houston.
MrMeToo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #4
Goldeagle
Hall of Fame
 
Goldeagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Spring
Age: 41
Posts: 1,816
Rep Power: 12 Goldeagle is a Pro BowlerGoldeagle is a Pro Bowler
Send a message via Yahoo to Goldeagle
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMeToo View Post
I never thought Mario would be good anyway.He's just proving to me I'm right...

And you are NEVER wrong
Goldeagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #5
Texan1
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 43
Posts: 178
Rep Power: 9 Texan1 is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Ok, and using that same logic we should not get down on David Carr, because we drafted him too.

And why did we get rid of Buchanan? He was a Texan! We should have stood behind him and let him play every down. Once a Texan, always a Texan.

As a matter of fact, we will never trade or bench any Texans player ever again nor be critical of the way they play or where we drafted them \ how we acquired them.

Whet done is done you are correct. So lets not make the same mistake of identifying poor performance and let Carr and our current offensive line start until they are in the mid 50s or until they just get tired of playing.

Great idea Toro. BTW, how long have you been with the Texans Sales office?
Texan1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #6
Scott D
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Age: 49
Posts: 118
Rep Power: 0 Scott D is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan1 View Post
Ok, and using that same logic we should not get down on David Carr, because we drafted him too.

And why did we get rid of Buchanan? He was a Texan! We should have stood behind him and let him play every down. Once a Texan, always a Texan.

As a matter of fact, we will never trade or bench any Texans player ever again nor be critical of the way they play or where we drafted them \ how we acquired them.

Whet done is done you are correct. So lets not make the same mistake of identifying poor performance and let Carr and our current offensive line start until they are in the mid 50s or until they just get tired of playing.

Great idea Toro. BTW, how long have you been with the Texans Sales office?
So we lose all ball games instead and pay these worthless players?
Scott D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #7
htsone
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 34
Rep Power: 0 htsone is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToroFan View Post
Let's put this past week behind us and support Mario. I'll leave the discussion about Carr for another thread.
Hey man, I have no intention of going down on Mario. I'll leave that to our local ballerina, Dee Carr.

hts
htsone is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 12-17-2006   #8
Texans Horror
Hall of Fame
 
Texans Horror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 40
Posts: 2,303
Rep Power: 25 Texans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of Famer
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

I enjoyed watching Fox NFL Sunday when they claimed that the Texans had made the WORST number one draft pick by not taking VY and how obvious it was and he was a hometown kid and the Texans were just stupid, stupid, stupid. I laughed cause this seemed a big change over how the Texans had made the WORST number one draft pick by not taking Reggie Bush and how obvious it was and he was a Heisman winner and the Texans were just stupid, stupid, stupid.

I did not like drafting Mario, but I have come around to it. Then again, it could be that he just needs a few years, and I am accustomed to players and teams that just need a few years because I am a Texans fan. Either way, I think in a few years they are going to talk about how important drafting MW was and that he it was such a good, hard choice to make.
__________________
"It is what it is."
Texans Horror is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #9
Goldeagle
Hall of Fame
 
Goldeagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Spring
Age: 41
Posts: 1,816
Rep Power: 12 Goldeagle is a Pro BowlerGoldeagle is a Pro Bowler
Send a message via Yahoo to Goldeagle
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Quote:
Originally Posted by OSQ View Post
I enjoyed watching Fox NFL Sunday when they claimed that the Texans had made the WORST number one draft pick by not taking VY and how obvious it was and he was a hometown kid and the Texans were just stupid, stupid, stupid. I laughed cause this seemed a big change over how the Texans had made the WORST number one draft pick by not taking Reggie Bush and how obvious it was and he was a Heisman winner and the Texans were just stupid, stupid, stupid.

I did not like drafting Mario, but I have come around to it. Then again, it could be that he just needs a few years, and I am accustomed to players and teams that just need a few years because I am a Texans fan. Either way, I think in a few years they are going to talk about how important drafting MW was and that he it was such a good, hard choice to make.
I had made that point after the Titans game. Its easy for the media and idiots on ESPN to act like they knew VY was great all along even though they hyped Bush at the point of his birth.
Goldeagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #10
Texans Horror
Hall of Fame
 
Texans Horror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 40
Posts: 2,303
Rep Power: 25 Texans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of Famer
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

I'm with you there. The way I recall, VY propaganda died down pretty quick, especially once DC was signed. It was really Reggie Bush that looked like the one that got away.
__________________
"It is what it is."
Texans Horror is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #11
ThaShark316
#28
 
ThaShark316's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Rosharon, TX
Age: 29
Posts: 2,382
Rep Power: 16683 ThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to ThaShark316
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Remember when HOU was 3-6, and Bush was getting thrashed for little productivity, and VY wasn't getting any airtime? Funny how 3 weeks later we're the idiots...

(here come the "ifs" from me...)

If we stop Losman, Cook doesnt fumble @ NYG, and a play or two goes different for the Texans vs. VY and the Titans...then who knows? But you can't go by that...I'm willing to give the M-Dizzle a chance...I think he's gonna be the man in a year or two...no doubt.
__________________
I guess this is where I say.....

Last edited by ThaShark316; 12-17-2006 at 01:58 PM.
ThaShark316 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #12
Goldeagle
Hall of Fame
 
Goldeagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Spring
Age: 41
Posts: 1,816
Rep Power: 12 Goldeagle is a Pro BowlerGoldeagle is a Pro Bowler
Send a message via Yahoo to Goldeagle
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

I like how some people blame us for not drafting Colston.... Seriously, no team did lol.

Oh well, no one drafted Demeco
Goldeagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #13
ThaShark316
#28
 
ThaShark316's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Rosharon, TX
Age: 29
Posts: 2,382
Rep Power: 16683 ThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respectedThaShark316 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to ThaShark316
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldeagle View Post
I like how some people blame us for not drafting Colston.... Seriously, no team did lol.

Oh well, no one drafted Demeco
Gold, man, I find that too funny...besides, if not for Bush, Horn and Deuce, we wouldn't know Colston.
__________________
I guess this is where I say.....
ThaShark316 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #14
Goldeagle
Hall of Fame
 
Goldeagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Spring
Age: 41
Posts: 1,816
Rep Power: 12 Goldeagle is a Pro BowlerGoldeagle is a Pro Bowler
Send a message via Yahoo to Goldeagle
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShark316 View Post
Gold, man, I find that too funny...besides, if not for Bush, Horn and Deuce, we wouldn't know Colston.
Good point
Goldeagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #15
ToroFan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Rep Power: 9 ToroFan is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan1 View Post
Ok, and using that same logic we should not get down on David Carr, because we drafted him too.

And why did we get rid of Buchanan? He was a Texan! We should have stood behind him and let him play every down. Once a Texan, always a Texan.

As a matter of fact, we will never trade or bench any Texans player ever again nor be critical of the way they play or where we drafted them \ how we acquired them.

Whet done is done you are correct. So lets not make the same mistake of identifying poor performance and let Carr and our current offensive line start until they are in the mid 50s or until they just get tired of playing.

Great idea Toro. BTW, how long have you been with the Texans Sales office?

If you can't tell the difference between a 21 year old rookie versus a QB who's been starting in the league for 5 years, I can't help you. You are comparing apples and oranges and are totally off-topic.

I believe we should get rid of Carr.

Read my post again and look at the underlying logic instead of attacking blindly.
__________________
Texans need more cow bell
ToroFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #16
TheIronDuke
In BOB I Trust
 
TheIronDuke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Age: 35
Posts: 3,954
Rep Power: 82834 TheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Has Mario really done anything at all this year? From what I remember, 2 of his 4.5 sacks have come from him landing on the QB after he slipped. I can honestly only think of ONE PLAY all season from Mario where he showed signs of being a good DE, and that was vs. the Giants.

Otherwise, I have been severely disappointed in his performance and I know that he has a bad foot. But I would rather see him on IR just to save face.
TheIronDuke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #17
Texan1
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 43
Posts: 178
Rep Power: 9 Texan1 is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToroFan View Post
Read my post again and look at the underlying logic instead of attacking blindly.
I read your post... look my point is this, many of us who pay too much money to go to these games. We wanted something to root for out of last year's draft. The Texans passed on that opportunity to give the fans a reason to go to the games. I have to buy tickets next year (PSL), so sorry, I will not just 'put the past behind'. Thats absurd.

I'm all for Kubes - but the Mario pick was dumb. I don't even put that on Kubiak, as I think there were other forces at play.

But don't come on here telling fans how to think and leaving negative messages for people b/c they disagree with you. Your sir, are a jerk
Texan1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #18
unhappytexanfan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13
Rep Power: 0 unhappytexanfan is ridin' the pine
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

Bottom line is the franchise had a chance to bring excitiment and hope to a team that has had basically nothing to cheer for since the dallas game in 2002..
I was at the dome during the " Luv Ya Blue" days and would love that atmosphere to return..
But sadly now football hope in Houston is at an all time low,.. Who knows how long it will take the franchise to recover..
nice job Bob
unhappytexanfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #19
austintexanite
All Pro
 
austintexanite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Age: 32
Posts: 819
Rep Power: 8 austintexanite is a team player
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

I think will be alright and prove all the naysayers wrong. One thing that I think he should do is use his speed to get arond the corners, and set up his bull rush. I dunno, would be nice to see another sack. What the media doesn't see is the double teams and run defence that he provides doesn't show up in the stat line.
austintexanite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2006   #20
marks01234
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 55
Rep Power: 185 marks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respectedmarks01234 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Let's Not Get Down On Mario

You guys are way to early on judging Mario. He's the youngest defensive starter in the league, playing through foot problems and having to deal with less than great talent around him.

Bush has been well below average, not close to the level of expectations ESPN made for him. Vince has been alright but your crazy to truly believe he has proven himself already. He played rather average today and would have easily lost if he was didn't have his D making huge plays for him.

If I had to do it over again, I'd still take Mario. He's still only 21 years old and we all new how raw he was to begin with. Heck, he's a year younger than Gaines Adams and Quinton Moses who are still in college. He's a physical freak who is currently very limited athletically due to an injury - so I'm not sure what you guys should expect.

If for some reason I couldn't take Mario, I'd take D'Brick.
marks01234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger