If DeMeco had been the first pick---- - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

bayshorebevo · 12-09-2006

would there be this much dissent about who we took first?

My opinion is no, even though the so-called experts didn't have him rated that high. There would have been a bunch of screaming at the time, mine included.

Bongo59 · 12-09-2006

no...............and in time if meco hits it large and the Texans become the new bears the pressure will ease a bit on Mario.................but the real problem is Mario will always be measured by VY and Bush.................and I think that is why this pick will haunt the Texans

12-09-2006

If you listen to the REAL experts they all say you will not know how the picks rate for 5-10 years.

**Vinny** · 12-09-2006

hind site is fun...but useless. The draft in any sport is an inexact science at best. You don't have to be a top 5 pick to become a great player and teams just can't project every last star as a top prospect in any given year. Just ask the Saints Mr Colston.

**Vinny** · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by whiskeyrbl

If you listen to the REAL experts they all say you will not know how the picks rate for 5-10 years.

3 years is enough for the most part...a decade? Most of the players in the 96 draft are out of the league.

Bongo59 · 12-09-2006

i think all top three are going to be good................I just think VY will be MJ like..............I think Bush has a chance to be a great player................Mario has to grind it.............he can be a good player but given his slection and his company he needs to be better than great.................and there in lies why he should not have been the pick.

Texan1 · 12-09-2006

Actually, fans around here can stack things up better than you think.

The reaction would have been 'Wow, that guy is earning every penny we paid for him'.

I haven't heard that said yet about our #1 pick...

The Dream · 12-09-2006

I love DeMeco, but there's no way I'd take him over VY...so yes I'd still complain (what's new?)

A Texan · 12-09-2006

DeMeco is good enough that I could see using the 1st pick if you had to to get him. All this shows is how inexact the draft is. I would have rather had the wins last year than the pick. I was pulling for them to the very end. I'm just wondering when the "let's tank it for a better pick" starts this year.

LBblitz · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by Texan1

Actually, fans around here can stack things up better than you think.

The reaction would have been 'Wow, that guy is earning every penny we paid for him'.

I haven't heard that said yet about our #1 pick...

Thats because nobody earns every penny they are paid in the NFL. the amount of money they get is crazy.

the wonger need food · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by The Dream

I love DeMeco, but there's no way I'd take him over VY...so yes I'd still complain (what's new?)

So you would trade possibly the best defensive player this city has ever seen for an option-read QB just because he went to Madison and/or UT? Some of you people are ridiculous.

12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by Bongo59

i think all top three are going to be good................I just think VY will be MJ like..............I think Bush has a chance to be a great player................Mario has to grind it.............he can be a good player but given his slection and his company he needs to be better than great.................and there in lies why he should not have been the pick.

For that matter none of the top 3 have been great, so in essence none of the "TOP 3" should have been our pick. Honestly Bongo, with RB style of running his stats would have been worse than they are now on this team due to all the Oline injuries. and VY would be running for his life every Sunday and probably making alot more mistakes. Mario just needs to do his job as he has and he will be fine. All the glamour of personal awards don't mean crap if your team does not do well. Take away our first 3 games and our Defense is probably in the top 15 which is way better than dead last like last year. I will stand by our FO's selections last year. And as far as taking DeMeco #1, I don't think he would have gone higher than mid teens to mid 20's in the first RD.

txwooley · 12-09-2006

I am satisfied with Mario as OUR first pick. But not as an overall first pick. We could have traded down and still picked him at 10 or 11 and got 2 picks in the second round. Same goes for Meco. I'm glad we got them both and don't care what order they were in.

12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by txwooley

I am satisfied with Mario as OUR first pick. But not as an overall first pick. We could have traded down and still picked him at 10 or 11 and got 2 picks in the second round. Same goes for Meco. I'm glad we got them both and don't care what order they were in.

Mario would not have lasted past #4 he was the top rated Defensive player in the draft.

the wonger need food · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by txwooley

I am satisfied with Mario as OUR first pick. But not as an overall first pick. We could have traded down and still picked him at 10 or 11 and got 2 picks in the second round. Same goes for Meco. I'm glad we got them both and don't care what order they were in.

First off, Mario wouldn't have lasted to 10 or 11. Second, teams weren't offering much to move up. Lastly, if you don't take Mario with the first pick it changes everyone's draft board and DeMeco probably isn't there to take at 33. It's like going back 5000 years and stepping on a lizard. You completely change the evolution of the draft.

The Dream · 12-09-2006

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So you would trade possibly the best defensive player this city has ever seen for an option-read QB just because he went to Madison and/or UT? Some of you people are ridiculous

please stop, first off I didn't attend Madison and I'm not a longhorns fan, I wanted Vince, because of his abilities....that "option-read" QB has effected the games this season more than DeMeco ever will and that's because he is a Quarterback....I love DeMeco, but you'd be foolish to take him over Vince.

12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by The Dream

please stop, first off I didn't attend Madison and I'm not a longhorns fan, I wanted Vince, because of his abilities....that "option-read" QB has effected the games this season more than DeMeco ever will and that's because he is a Quarterback....I love DeMeco, but you'd be foolish to take him over Vince.

All this discussion is really ridiculous because how you draft to depends on how they want to build their teams and what is the MOST glaring weaknesses. Our's was definetly Defense.

The Dream · 12-09-2006

when you're a bad team (like the texans) you don't draft on "needs" you draft on the best talent available....that best talent was VY.

HJam72 · 12-09-2006

Lets not forget that Mario has had minor health problems (foot) and has not been 100% all year, although he was at the start and may be again now (I don't know). Also, I don't think the full impact of Demeco Ryans has been felt yet. We may have the best MLB in the NFL for years to come and what I really mean is that I don't think that's sunk in yet with a lot of people. I know that Bush and Young will get better as well, but I think people ARE very aware of that. Ryans may shock people who should've known by this point and Mario may do the same, although he has yet to be THAT good in the NFL.

HJam72 · 12-09-2006

I'm going to have to actually watch Young play, because I haven't yet. I don't see how a 50% completion ratio and the same number of INTs as TDs (every time I look at his stats anyway) equates to IT, and I suspect that what really equates to IT is Travis Henry, but I will just have to watch tomorrow.

12-09-2006	#2
Bongo59 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: metairie Posts: 445 Rep Power: 8	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- no...............and in time if meco hits it large and the Texans become the new bears the pressure will ease a bit on Mario.................but the real problem is Mario will always be measured by VY and Bush.................and I think that is why this pick will haunt the Texans

12-09-2006	#3
whiskeyrbl Guest Posts: n/a	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- If you listen to the REAL experts they all say you will not know how the picks rate for 5-10 years.

12-09-2006	#6
Bongo59 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: metairie Posts: 445 Rep Power: 8	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- i think all top three are going to be good................I just think VY will be MJ like..............I think Bush has a chance to be a great player................Mario has to grind it.............he can be a good player but given his slection and his company he needs to be better than great.................and there in lies why he should not have been the pick.

12-09-2006	#7
Texan1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 42 Posts: 178 Rep Power: 8	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- Actually, fans around here can stack things up better than you think. The reaction would have been 'Wow, that guy is earning every penny we paid for him'. I haven't heard that said yet about our #1 pick...

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The Dream Hall of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pearland Age: 27 Posts: 4,220 Rep Power: 0	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- I love DeMeco, but there's no way I'd take him over VY...so yes I'd still complain (what's new?)

12-09-2006	#1
bayshorebevo Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: seabrook Posts: 151 Rep Power: 9	If DeMeco had been the first pick---- would there be this much dissent about who we took first? My opinion is no, even though the so-called experts didn't have him rated that high. There would have been a bunch of screaming at the time, mine included.

12-09-2006	#4
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- hind site is fun...but useless. The draft in any sport is an inexact science at best. You don't have to be a top 5 pick to become a great player and teams just can't project every last star as a top prospect in any given year. Just ask the Saints Mr Colston. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

12-09-2006	#9
A Texan Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Age: 68 Posts: 220 Rep Power: 10	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- DeMeco is good enough that I could see using the 1st pick if you had to to get him. All this shows is how inexact the draft is. I would have rather had the wins last year than the pick. I was pulling for them to the very end. I'm just wondering when the "let's tank it for a better pick" starts this year.

12-09-2006	#13
txwooley Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Huntsville, Texas Age: 42 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- I am satisfied with Mario as OUR first pick. But not as an overall first pick. We could have traded down and still picked him at 10 or 11 and got 2 picks in the second round. Same goes for Meco. I'm glad we got them both and don't care what order they were in.

12-09-2006	#19
HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,472 Rep Power: 18004	Re: If DeMeco had been the first pick---- Lets not forget that Mario has had minor health problems (foot) and has not been 100% all year, although he was at the start and may be again now (I don't know). Also, I don't think the full impact of Demeco Ryans has been felt yet. We may have the best MLB in the NFL for years to come and what I really mean is that I don't think that's sunk in yet with a lot of people. I know that Bush and Young will get better as well, but I think people ARE very aware of that. Ryans may shock people who should've known by this point and Mario may do the same, although he has yet to be THAT good in the NFL. __________________

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