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Old 12-08-2006   #1
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Default Is it Carr's fault??

Just wanted to do a pole... I may just not be reading it(because I don't want to), but I'm not seeing a lot of posters saying that we are losing games because of David Carr.

I've talked about David's negatives, and his short-comings.... he hasn't played worse than I expected(except in the Raider game), definitely not as well as I had hoped.

But I don't blame David for any of our losses....... I saw Jameel fumble the ball on two game winning/tying drives.. I've seen KrisBrown miss chip shot after chip shot....... I saw Peerless Price catch that ball at the back of the endzone, I've seen Andre drop the ball on third down after third down.... I've seen EricMoulds disappear(or should I say I haven't seen)..... I know our LBs can't cover the field, I've seen our safeties take bad angles, and our corners give up too much space to the WRs.....

I believe better QB play would improve this team dramatically.

How we go about getting that better QB play is in question....... but that doesn't mean that we believe that we are losing games because of our QB.
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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

Brought this over from another thread:

1. offensive line
2. Penalties
3. Poor decision making (QB)
4. dropped passes
5. blown coverages
6. spotty defensive pressure
7. poor running game
8. long list of notable injuries

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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

No, it's not Carr's fault. It's the team's fault for losing.
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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

I'll go with no.

I agree with you that the Texans' failings aren't totally on Carr. However, Carr doesn't seem to have the intangibles to overcome the team's problems.

It seems like when we shoot ourselves in the foot, he's usually the one holding the gun.
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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

Anyone who is suggesting that all of our struggles are because of David Carr is either blind or a brain dead moron. If you guys remember in the beginning of the season Carr was playing decent football. But it was our defense which was the worst in the league. We were giving up yards, points, and we were just horrible on defense. Now that the defense has improved our offense has regressed. Part of the problem is that we're missing starter on our o-line and we don't have Domanick Davis. Our running game is highly inconsistent and we can't rely on it from week to week. Specially in this offense we absolutely need a solid running game. If we don't all the other stuff in the passing game will never work. With all that being said David Carr has not shown that he can lead this team to the playoffs. I've said in other threads that at some point he's got to stop making the same mistakes week in and week out. Passing for negative 5 yards is inexcusable no matter how bad your offensive line is. And when you fumble the ball 2 or 3 times a game from the qb position it makes it very hard to win games. I'm just hoping that if DC is back next year I hope he's facing some serious competition at that position because we can't have poor play from our qb position and expect to win game in the NFL.
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Anyone who is suggesting that all of our struggles are because of David Carr is either blind or a brain dead moron. If you guys remember in the beginning of the season Carr was playing decent football.

This is the kind of statement that draws the Carr argument out.

Carr wasn't playing better football. He was playing better than he had last year. He wasn't playing as bad as our Defense. & all his good stats were being amassed in "garbage time".

Need a definition of Garbage time?? well the opposite, would be similar to the last few games, where every possession mattered..... & Carr's stats(like everyone else on the team) were empty...... 22 for 22, didn't mean anything.... we didn't get any points to show for them, so it might as well never had happened. Same thing with his 300 yard passing game against the Jets...... we got a field goal out of it right?? 1 point per 100 yards.........

Again, not blaming David for losing the game, just pointing out his inability to rack up gawdy stats when the game is on the line.
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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

its not carr's fault...the thing is that frustrates us is that in 5 years or so of existence the team has not made the next step...and most of us blame carr's because he is the qb and the captain of the ship...its easy to point the finger at him since, he already has a giant spotlight on him...due to 5 years of underacheiving as a qb.
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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

It is not Carr's fault we are losing, but it is certainly his fault that he has not developed into the QB people expected.
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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

Holy madre de jesus--of course it is Carr's fault--partially. He obviously could be playing better and the ball has to come thru him. It is also the fault of the DB's who have dropped 7-9 easy picks this season, fumbles by Cook in critical situations, injuries to key players, the D giving up a TD on the last play of the game, a lackluster and inconsistent running game, WR's dropping balls, some sketchy at best officiating (Cook fumble vs. Daniels no reception) etc. If Carr played like a great QB we might have 2-3 more wins. If all the other stuff hadn't happened we might have 2-3 more wins. If we had both we might have 3-4 more wins. Friggin team game.
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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

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Just wanted to do a pole... I may just not be reading it(because I don't want to), but I'm not seeing a lot of posters saying that we are losing games because of David Carr.

I've talked about David's negatives, and his short-comings.... he hasn't played worse than I expected(except in the Raider game), definitely not as well as I had hoped.

But I don't blame David for any of our losses....... I saw Jameel fumble the ball on two game winning/tying drives.. I've seen KrisBrown miss chip shot after chip shot....... I saw Peerless Price catch that ball at the back of the endzone, I've seen Andre drop the ball on third down after third down.... I've seen EricMoulds disappear(or should I say I haven't seen)..... I know our LBs can't cover the field, I've seen our safeties take bad angles, and our corners give up too much space to the WRs.....

I believe better QB play would improve this team dramatically.

How we go about getting that better QB play is in question....... but that doesn't mean that we believe that we are losing games because of our QB.

Brilliant post by someone who knows football.

If David is the reason why we lost games and its not about stats and yada yada yada, then it is DAVID who has WON every game.
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As the poll indicates, Carr being at fault for the team losing is something that has been largely made up.
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it's my fault............me sorry.........kinda......
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Default Re: Is it Carr's fault??

Well of course it is DC's fault if he did not have the propensity for pulling out early , him and the missus would have more young ones running around.
What ?This is about football ,oh well nevermind then!

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Post Carr to succeed these crossroads?!

David Carr is at a crossroads. Like Dennis Franchione, one win can turn everything around and buy time. If Carr comes out slinging it, has a good showing and the Texans win it will go a long way for Carr trust me it will.

Yet, the second half of this season has not been good for him. Much of it is his fault, some not. The good news is he has four games left. The bad news is two of those games are against Indy and New England and the fans are losing - or have lost - patience.

The Texans' line was among the five worst in the league starting the season and that line has lost three starters. Ephriam Salaam should not be starting for any team and Eric Winston is a rookie going through natural growing pains. These things are beyond Carr's control. What is within his control is putting the ball on the ground which he does way too often. Checking his primary receiver and then dumping to the safety valve when he isn't open instead of looking downfield to his second receiver. Often time does not allow for that, but other times he has adequate time and dumps anyway. Being the league's most sacked quarterback three out of four years has beaten his internal clock to bits; his pocket awareness may never recover.

Thanks Charlie Casserly. Any quarterback who is constantly harassed cannot be consistently effective regardless of the name on the back of the jersey, (see: Manning - Pittsburg game last year).

Often I wonder how Carr's career would have gone, where he would be in his development had the Texans hired Kubiak at the beginning, or had hired Randy Mueller instead of Casserly. I often wonder what would happen if I inherit a couple oil wells. Thats not likely to happen either.

We are in 2006 and the past is what it is. Where do we go from here? Hopefully Carr can recover but I've been saying that for awhile now. Perhaps he will be like Jim Plunkett or Rich Gannon and flourish with another team. Maybe he will be like Tim Couch or David Klingler - two other guys stuck in bad circumstances - and be out of the league in a couple more years.

I don't see the team going quarterback in the first round regardless of where they draft. Kevin Kolb third round? There's a thought..
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The Texans' line was among the five worst in the league starting the season and that line has lost three starters. Ephriam Salaam should not be starting for any team and Eric Winston is a rookie going through natural growing pains.

Thanks Charlie Casserly.
Casserly is an easy answer, but our current coaches made decisions this year that led to:

a) Counting on Salaam to play 14 games this year
b) Forcing Eric Winston into the line-up to soon

Their decision to keep 4 tight ends (or 2 fullbacks) and 9 offensive lineman (rather than 10), in addition to their high valuation of "swing players" resulted in the line we have now.
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If the team is not winning, the fall guy is the QB! That is just the nature of this game.


DC will not be here come next year. All the DC hate is comming from the Raider game which he was horrible, you cant sugar coat that! To add to that Vince Cowboys and Reggie had very good days.
hmm I dont know what board you have been visiting, but the raider game was not the center of carr hate any more than true performance has been, people have been hating carr since season 1. he's not polished, he coughs up the ball, he never goes deep, he's not a leader, he get's sacked too much, his delivery is too low, he stares down the reciever, he overthrows in the middle, he underthrows on the sideline, blah blah blah. oh and he has stupid haricuts. did I miss anything?
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They should of placed Eric Winston on the practice squad. That way he can learn. I hope we get to see Chris Taylor and see what he has learned from the practice squad.
The practice squad is unprotected. Winston would have been snapped up by another team instantly had he been placed there. They should have kept 10 lineman on the roster.
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How does the team feel about David? You don't hear the players sticking up for him much.
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