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Old 12-05-2006   #1
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He was even in on the Carr decision. It was Kubiak's call, but I'm guessing Casserly gave him a glowing recommendation of Carr. He wasn't about to admit he'd blown it.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4379499.html
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Just for clarification, didn't the Texans pick-up Carr's option "BEFORE" Kubiak
became the HC ?
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Nobody really knows who did what when. It's just speculation.

Was it McNair? Was it Kubiak? Was it McNair before Kubiak, or after?

No one really knows. Except McNair and Kubiak.
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Nobody really knows who did what when. It's just speculation.

Was it McNair? Was it Kubiak? Was it McNair before Kubiak, or after?

No one really knows. Except McNair and Kubiak.
I agree. I just read article before reading this thread. Justice just does the Monday morning QB thing. If Carr had excelled this season, my read on Justice says he would be trumpeting how smart Kubes was to say Carr can take team to SB.
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I agree. I just read article before reading this thread. Justice just does the Monday morning QB thing. If Carr had excelled this season, my read on Justice says he would be trumpeting how smart Kubes was to say Carr can take team to SB.
And that he was with him all the way.
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OMG, that is laughable that he says he's backed Carr all along. Too funny. How long has he backed Vince Young? Vince Young is playing far from great and he negates the defense that the Titans have been playing with as well as the lackluster performance of Young overall. Sure he's had big players, but a player like Tony Romo should be getting more press against Carr then Vince Young. Palmer was our one of our coaches for crying out loud and now that he's with the Cowboys and teaching Romo, Romo is doing a great job, something Carr could never do with Palmer.
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Can Justice really "revisit" something he never left to begin with?
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This is just a "I LOVE VINCE" article, why does'nt he talk about Mario and DeMeco. I have no interest in the feeble thoughts of such a turncoat.
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Default Re: Chron's Justice revisits the Texans 2006 Draft Decisions

Got off my butt and did a little research to answer my own question:
story dated 1-23 reports Kubiaks hire, but the story reporting option execution for Carr's contract is not dated until 2-10.
And we know the official report of Kubiaks hire was almost surely delayed from the actual event because of his former teams participation in playoffs
which restricts employment negotiations, contracts, etc between teams and prospective hires.
Anyway, this leaves little doubt of Kubiaks involvement in the decision to keep David for additional years.
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Vince Young is playing far from great and he negates the defense that the Titans have been playing with as well as the lackluster performance of Young overall.
Bit of a sidenote, but have you seen the voting for Rookie of the Week?
Vince has TWICE as many votes as Ryans. Yes, he had a decent game, but he threw for less than 200 yards and put up two interceptions (one of which could have been picked by any one of four guys). DeMeco was immense, start to finish.

Scandalous.
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I agree. I just read article before reading this thread. Justice just does the Monday morning QB thing. If Carr had excelled this season, my read on Justice says he would be trumpeting how smart Kubes was to say Carr can take team to SB.
It is what it is. Did you want him to say it was a great choice to bypass Young and keep Carr when it clearly isn't? And is it really isn't Mondy morning QB when that's what you said before the fact, or do you guys just like to ***** at everything written in the Chronic for the sport of it?
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IMO, Justice is stating the obvious. The Texans missed an opportunity to create more fans and probably improve the team.

I personally agree, even though I like the Mario Williams pick. I think that great teams are built in the trenches.

The Texans could have done something special, instead they made the smart, no-nonsense decision that would pay off in the long term. Like Porky said, it is what it is.
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IMO, Justice is stating the obvious. The Texans missed an opportunity to create more fans and probably improve the team.

I personally agree, even though I like the Mario Williams pick. I think that great teams are built in the trenches.

The Texans could have done something special, instead they made the smart, no-nonsense decision that would pay off in the long term. Like Porky said, it is what it is.
I agree 100%. I like the fact we picked Mario. As some others have said on the board lately, build the oline and secondary. Pick up a QB later on the first day (Kolb, maybe Brohm), allow Carr, Rosy or even Plummer manage the team next year allowing our rook QB to soak everything in. By 08 most of the big holes in our team will be filled-insert QB
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If I'm Bob McNair, I'd invite Charley Casserly back for Sunday's game. He messed up the franchise and then quit. His fingerprints are on almost every mistake the Texans have made. It's laughable that he landed a network job as an insider.
No,it is not laughable. It is down right disgusting. Casserly "the draft genius" ruined this franchise and now he somehow is on TV as an "expert". The only expertise he has is on how to destroy an NFL team. Thanks to his incompetence, the Texans are still an expansion team five years in. I cannot stand to watch him on CBS's pregame show because to me he has zero credibility.

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So what did Kubiak know about Carr ? He scouted him before the 2002 draft , watched fim , talked to Reeves and Casserly .

Kubiak did not get to look at the Carr in person . He did'nt get a test drive or a chance to check the odometer and we know there's know way he could have seen the dents or bent frame .
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So what did Kubiak know about Carr ? He scouted him before the 2002 draft , watched fim , talked to Reeves and Casserly .

Kubiak did not get to look at the Carr in person . He did'nt get a test drive or a chance to check the odometer and we know there's know way he could have seen the dents or bent frame .
I would check the title. Could be he went thru a flood. He might have some rust in his joints. Anyway, too late now. He made the down payment, and has a 36 month note to pay off. Maybe he can trade the flood Carr in for a Young one.
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I suspect the biggest problem the Texans have is the owner!

Running an NFL team is not the same as being profitable in the business environment.

I have a feeling McNair handcuffs his people to get what he wants.

It just doesn't make sense that Kubiak is just as invested in Carr as Capers and Casserly was.

I wouldn't be surprised if Carr is still the starting QB through next year.
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OK, Richard Justice is officially an *****. All he writes are fluff pieces that don't say much about anything. Did he mention that we had one HELL of a draft? Did he mention that if we keep on having drafts like we had in 2006, this team will be a playoff contender with or without Carr? Right now, I like what we're doing: Building a good, solid football TEAM, not great media hype stories on INDIVIDUALS (something that Justice obviously likes to write). He wants to analyze the 2006 draft? He only mentions what we did wrong with our #1 pick! And somehow this mistake is going to put us back 2-3 years? I hope people get off of VY's jock after we beat the Titans this week. Maybe Justice can write another fluff piece on how a loss was a moral victory for VY.

If you haven't noticed, when all the NFL draft hype dies down and the season starts, #1 picks are very overrated. The are built on solid football drafts, and we had a great one in 2006. While we do have a problem at the QB position, I have to believe Kubiak is going to fix it some way or another. And keep in mind that by taking VY, you sacrifice Carr AND Williams. That's just too much to sacrifice, especially when the jury is still out on Carr. Williams has emerged as our best DE by far and has been a difference maker.

When you look at the big picture, we made the right decision in that moment. It was the safer decision that would also have give us the most rewards. What would be better than to 1)have a great DE on a team that would improve a horrible defensive roster, and 2)finally get Carr headed in the right direction. This hasn't really come to fruition, but even our worst-case scenario is still better than the worst-case scenario if we had drafted VY. We had to further evaluate Carr, and we couldn't sacrifice Williams on a defense. But I guess Justice wouldn't know squat about that because DEs aren't as much fun to write about as VY. He'd rather have a losing team with a good punch-line than a better team with nothing to write about. I'm glad he's not running our football team.
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Vince Young is playing far from great and he negates the defense that the Titans have been playing with as well as the lackluster performance of Young overall.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing ever posted on the internet. Congratulations.
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I suspect the biggest problem the Texans have is the owner!

Running an NFL team is not the same as being profitable in the business environment
You might be onto something here. This would reinforce something that Vinny posted on Sunday about the way the organization works.

It's run like a corporation. Decisions are made methodically and not without oversight. If it was a traditional corporation, then that would be great. But it's not.

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I have a feeling McNair handcuffs his people to get what he wants.

It just doesn't make sense that Kubiak is just as invested in Carr as Capers and Casserly was.

I wouldn't be surprised if Carr is still the starting QB through next year.
I wouldn't be surprised either. I think that McNair won't give up on Carr until it's way too late.
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