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Not just with the Texans but the NFL in general. I think I realized one thing today. I am cursed as a football fan. Growing up I always thought it was the "curse of the Oilers" but now I realize the football gods have cursed me for some reason.

I don't need to go into all the painful Oiler choke jobs over the years, many of us here know all about those. The team leaves Houston, I start hating them, feeling betrayed and wanting them to lose every game and choke for their new fans like they did for me and what do I get? The Music City Miracle and a trip to the Super Bowl as a team I now hate.

Then I get the Texans, well what do I need to say there. Five years into this my fate as a football fan hasn't changed. This organization has made several moves over the years that I have disagreed with and somehow this "just a dumb fan" has been right more often than those in charge of the Texans. Committing to David Carr just seem the last in one of many. Say what you want about Carr, the guy isn't a winner, I don't care about what his stats say. All I see in his stats are L's. He doesn't make those better around him and mark my words ... he will NEVER be a winner here.

It also makes me sick how some other teams that were worse than us just a few seasons ago are now playing at playoff level which shows me this team has had adequate time to build a competive team yet the Texans are still the joke of the NFL.

During the offseason I was for drafting Vince Young because of his ability to win, lead, and make others around him better. I don't feel David Carr has any of those qualities. Of course the Texans weren't going to do that because they already committed to keeping Carr so of course my worse nightmare comes to fruition by him being drafted by Bud. I just prayed that all those Aggies and other VY haters would be right about him being the next Kordell Stewart or not being able to play at the NFL level. One could only hope since Bud picked him up.

Those of you that know me know that I also follow the Giants (used to live in NY). So after watching the Texans go down in typical Texans fashion I decide to head off to a sports bar to watch the Giants vs Titans game. The Giants controlled the first half and lead 21-0. The Titans were looking like the Oilers. However this is when Vince decided to go Rose Bowl on them. Guess what folks? All those things Vince did in college somehow is working in the NFL. Unfortunately my gut was right about this guy. He just went out there started pumping his chest making believers out of his team mates and took them to another level. A team that isn't much more talented than the Texans. An offensive line that isn't much better than the Texans. Yes, the Giants choked, Eli started sucking, but VY pulled that game out of his a** despite the lack of talent on his team and unless you watched it you won't get that. You won't see on the ESPN highlights how he was pumping up his teammates and making believers out of them. This guy is a winner and it pains me to no end that we could have had him, and even worse he is now doing it in a Titans uniform. What's even scarier is he is doing it just a few games into career. Even I didn't think he would be effective at least for a couple of years.

I don't think I can be subjected to this year and and year out. I think it is taking a toll on my health. I think I need to seek therapy and look for another hobby. 30 something years of this has been too much.

P.S. Save the "don't let the door hit you in the a**" comments. It's too late, that door has already hit me in the a**, knocked me over the head, and kicked me in the nuts.
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Not just with the Texans but the NFL in general. I think I realized one thing today. I am cursed as a football fan. Growing up I always thought it was the "curse of the Oilers" but now I realize the football gods have cursed me for some reason.

I don't need to go into all the painful Oiler choke jobs over the years, many of us here know all about those. The team leaves Houston, I start hating them, feeling betrayed and wanting them to lose every game and choke for their new fans like they did for me and what do I get? The Music City Miracle and a trip to the Super Bowl as a team I now hate.

Then I get the Texans, well what do I need to say there. Five years into this my fate as a football fan hasn't changed. This organization has made several moves over the years that I have disagreed and somehow this "just a dumb fan" has been right more often than those in charge of the Texans. Committing to David Carr just seem the last in one of many. Say what you want about Carr, the guy isn't a winner, I don't care about what his stats say. All I see in his stats are L's. He doesn't make those better around him and mark my words ... he will NEVER be a winner here.

It also makes me sick how some other teams that were worse than us just a few seasons ago are now playing at playoff level which shows me this team has had adequate time to build a competive team yet the Texans are still the joke of the NFL.

During the offseason I was for drafting Vince Young because of his ability to win, lead, and make others around him better. I don't feel David Carr has any of those qualities. Of course the Texans weren't going to do that because they already committed to keeping Carr so of course my worse nightmare comes to fruition by him being drafted by Bud. I just prayed that all those Aggies and other VY haters would be right about him being the next Kordell Stewart or not being able to play at the NFL level. One could only hope since Bud picked him up.

Those of you that know me know that I also follow the Giants (used to live in NY). So after watching the Texans go down in typical Texans fashion I decide to head off to a sports bar to watch the Giants vs Titans game. The Giants controlled the first half and lead 21-0. The Titans were looking like the Oilers. However this is when Vince decided to go Rose Bowl on them. Guess what folks? All those things Vince did in college somehow is working in the NFL. Unfortunately my gut was right about this guy. He just went out there started pumping his chest making believers out of his team mates and took them to another level. A team that isn't much more talented than the Texans. An offensive line that isn't much better than the Texans. Yes, the Giants choked, Eli started sucking, but VY pulled that game out of his a** despite the lack of talent on his team and unless you watched it you won't get that. You won't see on the ESPN highlights how he was pumping up his teammates and making believers out of them. This guy is a winner and it pains me to no end that we could have had him, and even worse he is now doing it in a Titans uniform. What's even scarier is he is doing it just a few games into career. Even I didn't think he would be effective at least for a couple of years.

I don't think I can be subjected to this year and and year out. I think it is taking a toll on my health. I think I need to seek therapy and look for another hobby. 30 something years of this has been too much.

P.S. Save the "don't let the door hit you in the a**" comments. It's too late, that door has already hit me in the a**, knocked me over the head, and kicked me in the nuts.
Hookem i still think you have done a wonderful job with texanstalk...if that helps i will have few a drinks for ya tonight. TEXANS4LIFE!!!!!
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Not just with the Texans but the NFL in general. I think I realized one thing today. I am cursed as a football fan. Growing up I always thought it was the "curse of the Oilers" but now I realize the football gods have cursed me for some reason.

I don't need to go into all the painful Oiler choke jobs over the years, many of us here know all about those. The team leaves Houston, I start hating them, feeling betrayed and wanting them to lose every game and choke for their new fans like they did for me and what do I get? The Music City Miracle and a trip to the Super Bowl as a team I now hate.

Then I get the Texans, well what do I need to say there. Five years into this my fate as a football fan hasn't changed. This organization has made several moves over the years that I have disagreed with and somehow this "just a dumb fan" has been right more often than those in charge of the Texans. Committing to David Carr just seem the last in one of many. Say what you want about Carr, the guy isn't a winner, I don't care about what his stats say. All I see in his stats are L's. He doesn't make those better around him and mark my words ... he will NEVER be a winner here.

It also makes me sick how some other teams that were worse than us just a few seasons ago are now playing at playoff level which shows me this team has had adequate time to build a competive team yet the Texans are still the joke of the NFL.

During the offseason I was for drafting Vince Young because of his ability to win, lead, and make others around him better. I don't feel David Carr has any of those qualities. Of course the Texans weren't going to do that because they already committed to keeping Carr so of course my worse nightmare comes to fruition by him being drafted by Bud. I just prayed that all those Aggies and other VY haters would be right about him being the next Kordell Stewart or not being able to play at the NFL level. One could only hope since Bud picked him up.

Those of you that know me know that I also follow the Giants (used to live in NY). So after watching the Texans go down in typical Texans fashion I decide to head off to a sports bar to watch the Giants vs Titans game. The Giants controlled the first half and lead 21-0. The Titans were looking like the Oilers. However this is when Vince decided to go Rose Bowl on them. Guess what folks? All those things Vince did in college somehow is working in the NFL. Unfortunately my gut was right about this guy. He just went out there started pumping his chest making believers out of his team mates and took them to another level. A team that isn't much more talented than the Texans. An offensive line that isn't much better than the Texans. Yes, the Giants choked, Eli started sucking, but VY pulled that game out of his a** despite the lack of talent on his team and unless you watched it you won't get that. You won't see on the ESPN highlights how he was pumping up his teammates and making believers out of them. This guy is a winner and it pains me to no end that we could have had him, and even worse he is now doing it in a Titans uniform. What's even scarier is he is doing it just a few games into career. Even I didn't think he would be effective at least for a couple of years.

I don't think I can be subjected to this year and and year out. I think it is taking a toll on my health. I think I need to seek therapy and look for another hobby. 30 something years of this has been too much.

P.S. Save the "don't let the door hit you in the a**" comments. It's too late, that door has already hit me in the a**, knocked me over the head, and kicked me in the nuts.
Vince was playing that game with Rose Bowl colored glasses. He was simply awesome in the 4th quarter. I did not want him then and still happy we did not take him. Hopefully down the road he will come here when he demonstrates he can do these things consistently at this level. That 4th and 10 run was something.
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why dont you just start following the titans- you'll be re-united with your leader who'll lead ye to victory despite you, due to his leadership and intangibles??
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Agent Hookem, your mission is to infiltrate an AFC South team and become a fan.
Yeah, maybe I can become a Cowboys fan so I can take the curse to them. However, it wouldn't work because I really couldn't be a Cowboys fan. I don't think the curse would work if it is faked.
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why dont you just start following the titans- you'll be re-united with your leader who'll lead ye to victory despite you, due to his leadership and intangibles??
No, I don't think even VY can overcome the curse of me. It's older than he is.
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Unfortunately my gut was right about this guy.
Gut ain't got nothing to do with this. You'd have to be a stubborn fool not to see the kid was special. UT was winning when he was a sophomore. He was a big part of that. But he still went out, and worked on his game. To get better.

He's the best at what he does, and still strives to get better...... that's pretty much what you're looking for in a player.

But.... please don't leave the NFL like this.

why don't you bring some of your charm to the Raiders, the Titans, the Pats, the Colts, & the Browns....... in that order.
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Vince was playing that game with Rose Bowl colored glasses. He was simply awesome in the 4th quarter. I did not want him then and still happy we did not take him. Hopefully down the road he will come here when he demonstrates he can do these things consistently at this level. That 4th and 10 run was something.

what about that 4th and goal run earlier??? sorry but i believe luck/circumstance does play a role in the nfl sometimes and in some situations you're lucky and you make the play and other times you dont..

il wait another while before i 'believe'
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Did you watch the game?
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what about that 4th and goal run earlier???
You mean the play where Young failed? He put that behind him and led the team to a win.

When the Texans fail on a big play or two they generally just quit.



Why try to put down other teams just because we lose so much?
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Did you watch the game?
yeah i was flicking over and back- you get 2 games over here and obviously the pats-bears was more attractive (and competitive) throughout but as the titans started getting closer i flicked over more frequently...

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When the Texans fail on a big play or two they generally just quit.

Why do we have to try to put down other teams just because we lose so much?
yeah the 1 he failed-where was his leadership there??...if he hadnt gotten lucky later (giants easing up,pacman's pick and kiwi) that wouldve cost them the game.... see what im getting at-chance etc plays a part in the nfl aswell... the same way we've had bad luck in games- cooks fumbles, holding penalties on big plays come to mind- does that mean carr's not a leader or just unlucky at times
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yeah i was flicking over and back- you get 2 games over here and obviously the pats-bears was more attractive (and competitive) throughout but as the titans started getting closer i flicked over more frequently...



yeah the 1 he failed-where was his leadership there??...if he hadnt gotten lucky later (giants easing up,pacman's pick and kiwi) that wouldve cost them the game.... see what im getting at-chance etc plays a part in the nfl aswell... the same way we've had bad luck in games- cooks fumbles, holding penalties on big plays come to mind- does that mean carr's not a leader or just unlucky at times
I honestly believe that if you watched the whole 4th quarter you would not be taking the line you are. It should be one of the NFL replay games, you will see what we all are saying. The IT factor was out and all the other 10 players had it on offense, because #10 was feeding them with it.
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yeah the 1 he failed-where was his leadership there??...if he hadnt gotten lucky later (giants easing up,pacman's pick and kiwi) that wouldve cost them the game.... see what im getting at-chance etc plays a part in the nfl aswell... the same way we've had bad luck in games- cooks fumbles, holding penalties on big plays come to mind- does that mean carr's not a leader or just unlucky at times
that's not luck. It happens in everygame. That's why big play potential is so important.

Watch the Colts play, they screw up so many times a game, you never hear about this guy dropping a pass, or that guy dropping a pass. Same for the Patriots..... That's why those guys can still have winning seasons even though they've given up more INTs than we do. They make the big plays(their completion percentage is down, but their yards per completion is up), & they make more touch downs.

The way we are playing, every mistake is thouroughly examined, because we don't make enough big plays.
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Let's leave Michael Irvin out of this.
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in the hood, they calls it pimpin'.
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I honestly believe that if you watched the whole 4th quarter you would not be taking the line you are. It should be one of the NFL replay games, you will see what we all are saying. The IT factor was out and all the other 10 players had it on offense, because #10 was feeding them with it.
Two things: After that late hit on Vince out of bounds and Vince got up and got in the guys face, I knew it was over.

hint to all that play Vince: don't piss him off

Another thing: Listening to the radio on the way back, one of our wide receivers was asked about Vince's ability to lead and he said, "during the 4th quarter Vince told us, 'if you don't want to win, then get out of the huddle' "

I thought that was awesome.

BTW, i was at the game. It was incredible.
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that's not luck. It happens in everygame. That's why big play potential is so important.

Watch the Colts play, they screw up so many times a game, you never hear about this guy dropping a pass, or that guy dropping a pass. Same for the Patriots..... That's why those guys can still have winning seasons even though they've given up more INTs than we do. They make the big plays(their completion percentage is down, but their yards per completion is up), & they make more touch downs.

The way we are playing, every mistake is thouroughly examined, because we don't make enough big plays.

i agree but you hear manning isnt a 'leader', hes a 'choker' etc which i dont believe - he either is unlucky, other players dont play well etc when they've lost in the playoffs..which is what my point is- you cant pin a victory or loss to one player like many are doing with carr, VY, brady etc- who all contribute significantly alrite but still have to also rely on luck, other players also...


anyway VY had a great game today but they've lost close games with him at qb and he's failed in some clutch situations also like every1 else...and its only a few weeks ago the titans were being blown out with VY at the helm while the DC texans were beating the jags(and fought back v the bills last week) (for all the people that are saying 'oohh look the texans quit whereas VY's titans fought back')

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(sorry if that wasnt posted in this VY thread it was in 1 of them but i cant remember which 1)
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