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Old 11-26-2006   #1
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Default This OL still needs MAJOR help

A lot of people are questioning the playcalling of screens... others are questioning Carr for taking the dumpoffs... the reality is, we don't have an offensive line capable of sustaining pass protection long enough to let these plays develop. We don't have an offensive line capable of opening up running lanes at all.

I don't think it's reasonable to say we have our "bookend" tackles of the future in Spencer and Winston. Both had flashes, sure, but Spencer in his couple of games and now Winston have had plenty of blunders as well. There's a reason they were third round draft choices. Odds are both won't pan out. I hope they will - and maybe we'll get lucky - but imo, we don't need to plan the future based on that.

We certainly don't need to be talking about Adrian Peterson or Steve Slaton at this point... I don't think Barry Sanders in his prime could've done anything with the lanes today. This team still lacks the necessary talent upfront, and to me, that's where I'd use this first round pick. We need elite talent there. Yes, we need a second corner... but I'd guess it'd be easier to address the corner position via FA than OT or OG.
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Yep, Seth Wand really looks good now. Oh, that's right we got rid of him. Oh, well, you reap what you sow. Good luck on improving this line this year...........
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A lot of people are questioning the playcalling of screens... others are questioning Carr for taking the dumpoffs... the reality is, we don't have an offensive line capable of sustaining pass protection long enough to let these plays develop. We don't have an offensive line capable of opening up running lanes at all.

I don't think it's reasonable to say we have our "bookend" tackles of the future in Spencer and Winston. Both had flashes, sure, but Spencer in his couple of games and now Winston have had plenty of blunders as well. There's a reason they were third round draft choices. Odds are both won't pan out. I hope they will - and maybe we'll get lucky - but imo, we don't need to plan the future based on that.

We certainly don't need to be talking about Adrian Peterson or Steve Slaton at this point... I don't think Barry Sanders in his prime could've done anything with the lanes today. This team still lacks the necessary talent upfront, and to me, that's where I'd use this first round pick. We need elite talent there. Yes, we need a second corner... but I'd guess it'd be easier to address the corner position via FA than OT or OG.
Dom, our O-Line should be top priority this coming off season. Followed very closely by our D-Backs.....and then, lets not forget our outside linebackers.
Needless to say, we have some building to do.
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See the blitz? Dude, this isn't just happening when the other team blitzes. It's happening when they rush three or four guys. In the running game, we can't even open up enough of a hole to get 2-3 yards. This offensive line just isn't talented. There's no QB in the world who can open up this running game. It's the talent, or lack thereof.
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The o-line is not the problem, Carr is too dumb to see the blitz!!!! 5 linemen can't block 7 rushers, Carr has to recognize the blitz and call the hot route fade pass. Carr is the problem, he is to stupid to be playing NFL QB
I saw two times when a rusher beat a double team to get to Carr with pressure. Once Winston/Weary, once Weary/Flanagan. There may have been more. The line is as bad as Carr.
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I'm optimistic about Spencer and Winston but obviously right now we're in a bad place as far as our offensive line is concerned. We're starting Salaam who probably shouldn't be in football at this point of his career and Winston who was projected to sit behind someone who was ready to start this year and then contend for a spot next season (or at least provide high quality depth then). Does anyone think Weigert would have made the team if we had a healthy and deep offensive line?

Of the two tackles we took in the third round I expect one of them to be a starter for us and if the other one pans out too then that's outstanding but I'm not counting on it.

We're in transition on the line. Spencer going down hurt us bad. Weigert was so bad at RT that I don't really think Winston is any kind of dropoff at all. Expect them to add more linemen this coming off-season either through free agency, the draft, or both.
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A lot of people are questioning the playcalling of screens... others are questioning Carr for taking the dumpoffs... the reality is, we don't have an offensive line capable of sustaining pass protection long enough to let these plays develop. We don't have an offensive line capable of opening up running lanes at all.

I don't think it's reasonable to say we have our "bookend" tackles of the future in Spencer and Winston. Both had flashes, sure, but Spencer in his couple of games and now Winston have had plenty of blunders as well. There's a reason they were third round draft choices. Odds are both won't pan out. I hope they will - and maybe we'll get lucky - but imo, we don't need to plan the future based on that.

We certainly don't need to be talking about Adrian Peterson or Steve Slaton at this point... I don't think Barry Sanders in his prime could've done anything with the lanes today. This team still lacks the necessary talent upfront, and to me, that's where I'd use this first round pick. We need elite talent there. Yes, we need a second corner... but I'd guess it'd be easier to address the corner position via FA than OT or OG.
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The TOTAL out put by the running backs was a wopping 15 yards. Yes, 15 freakin yards.
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once again we're saying it. this time we cant really blame the coaches however because we drafted 2 tackles on the first day and brought in a proven commodity at center. we're still just simply not talented enough. spencer IMO is the best draft pick we made last year and it hurts that he's not playing, i REALLY hope he can return to form next year. flanagan i like, but he's obviously lost some steps. pitts isnt bad, he's starter quality. EVERYONE ELSE IS A BACKUP AT BEST. mckinney & weigert are done. winston's not ready. weary's a career backup. salaam's terrible. bedell's no good. that gives us maybe 3 starters on the line ... one's out right now and the another's past his prime. flanagan's replacement needs to be getting groomed to take over sometime next season. we have to draft atleast 2 more linemen next year (atleast one of which needs to be early first day) and try to sign a starter in FA.

i've been saying it for a couple of years ... domanick davis made our run blocking look good. gary kubiak's keeping it afloat this year, but we simply dont have enough talent on the line to fully implement his running system. runningbacks arent our problem, getting them room to make that one cut & go is what's holding us back.

that being said. i'm going to blast carr after defending him only 2 days ago. he had time on the majority of his throws and i cant see the game tape so i'm not sure if the receivers just werent getting open or what, but he couldnt find anybody after the opening drive for more than a quick dumpoff. i especially liked the PA 7 step drops where he had tons of time, but never threw the ball. if carr doesnt start finding those holes 15-20 yards down the field (that pennington exploited) i'll be calling for his head soon also.
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Default Re: This OL still needs MAJOR help

The o-line is a major problem and if you don't see that then you aren't watching. Yes Lundy looked like he didn't have his head up on a couple of runs, but by and large there were no running lanes today. If we aren't allowing our wide receivers time to get open or we are having to keep a tight end on the line to help block, then we are limited in the passing game. I must add that I have been and still am a "carr hater" on this board, but let's be honest, the line needs some help!
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A lot of people are questioning the playcalling of screens... others are questioning Carr for taking the dumpoffs... the reality is, we don't have an offensive line capable of sustaining pass protection long enough to let these plays develop. We don't have an offensive line capable of opening up running lanes at all.
This is the bottom line (no pun intended). This filters down thru all other aspects of the offense.
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the o-line is not the problem....the qb needs to have better pocket presence. We seen today how Pennington was able to feel the rush and avoid it and make plays and who does he have at wr or runningback that we should be scared of, just make plays, thats what its all about. All they have is coles at wr, we have johnson and moulds....we have a solid te in daniels....the qb needs to make plays!!
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You could have the best QB in the world and the best RB in the world but they will not be able to do much without a good O-line. How good a team's line is dictates what they can do on offense, period.

The Texans O-line needs major help in the off season. The team has a couple of pieces but it needs more. The team will never be able to compete until this problem is addressed.

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the o-line is not the problem....the qb needs to have better pocket presence.
Carr has poor pocket presence on good o-line days. Today it was hard for him to demonstrate any since the entire line was collapsing leaving him no place to "presence" into.

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In the first half I thought he looked very good. Not one of those drives in the first half died because of a David Carr mistake. Every one of them failed because someone else blew their assignment. In the second half David cratered instead of pulling the team together and he was just as much a problem as the rest of them.

First two quarters though he looked pretty sharp to me.
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blows my mind after 5 years our line is not set and been a revolving door since day one.

Boselli,Seth Wand,Todd Wade,RyanYoung,Milford Brown,expansion draft Jeremy?(I believe from washington), McKinney is the next hi priced on the bench..Weigart..uhh



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Having both our tackles go down for the season does not help the situation any, but Wiegert needs to be replaced at RT. He is a decent guard but TERRIBLE at tackle. Winston did not look good today but it's his 2nd full game in the NFL, so who knows, but I expect for Kubiak and Smith to address the line in the offseason.
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blows my mind after 5 years our line is not set and been a revolving door since day one.

Boselli,Seth Wand,Todd Wade,RyanYoung,Milford Brown,expansion draft Jeremy?(I believe from washington), McKinney is the next hi priced on the bench..Weigart..uhh



makes me sick.
i've got a headache by this also, but it's atleast a little comforting that all of those guys belong to capers. kubiak brought in a franchise LT in spencer, he brought flanagan to stop the bleeding at center (we need to draft here and begin grooming quickly, i like flanagan but he's only a bandaid at this point), and winston's progressing and might start next year. the only good move capers made on the line in 4 years is pitts ... kubiak had 3 good moves in one offseason (and one real bad one by releasing wand & signing salaam).
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Having both our tackles go down for the season does not help the situation any...
If the coaches set the 53 man roster based on the assumption Wiegert would make it through the year, they made a mistake. Wiegert's being injured was foreseeable. I was surprised it took so long.

They are still running the same risk with Salaam. If he was put in with the expectation that he would last 14 games, that was risky. So far they are getting by with him.

Wiegert and Salaam have both been injury prone the last couple of years. Counting on both of them remaining healthy was not a strong decision.
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