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Old 11-26-2006   #1
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Kubiak as a play caller is not different than Capers and Pendry. He might be an excellent QB coach, but he is not a head coach. Some of you laugh at this, but look at what is happening in Denver. They are having all kinds of problems, because they think only one way which was the problem with Capers and Pendry.

Kubiak is not a good game manager and when things don't go his way he has the same problems as Capers and Pendry. He can not adapt and over come. CARR is NOT calling the plays. If he was, then I would say fire him. The Jets coach is know for stiffling Kubiak and Shannahan. You can not play one style of play forever in the NFL and expect to win. You have to change and adapt to your team. We have not done that. We never stretch the field. The other team never has to worry during the last 2 minutes of a half.

I've said for awhile now that Kubiak is not what we thought. I firmly believe he is a very big part of the problem here. REMEMBER, CARR HAS NO OPTIONS AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. HE HAS TO ABSOLUTELY RUN WHAT IS CALLED BY KUBIAK. KUBIAK CALLS ALL PLAYS. ALL THE SHORT PASSING IS BY DESIGN BY KUBIAK. I'm sorry, but it really gets sickening to watch the same garbage all of the time...........................

Remember how bad Harrington looked in Detroit. Yep, same thing here. Folks it ain't all the QB. Its the system and the coaches that have been employed. Remember, the 2nd leading QB - runner behind MV was Carr. In today's game Carr was the leading rusher for most of the 1st half. That is sick and pathetic. Winston is being eaten alive and so is most of the rest of the O-line. Oh, well, have a nice Christmas.......
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Kubiak is not the problem......think about it Capers, Palmer, Kubiak.......three different people...........same results.............one Quarterback. Think of the success Kubiak had with QBs before he got here Kubiak IS NOT THE PROBLEM Carr is.

Everybody that knows Im am a big Carr supporter knows thats a big statement.....Kubiak is part of the solution.......not the problem.....hopefully Mcnair knows that.

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This post is so stupid, Kubiak is not choosing the reciever to throw to!!!! Kubiak can't make Carr throw the ball to our guys down field!

He in fact does by what he teaches his QB to do. Sorry, but there are few options despite what is being said. Listen how he instructs his QB to throw based on his steps. You have options based on footwork and not how open people are. I might add if he was so good why don't we have any kind of running game based on his superior knowledge of that part of the game. The answer is he is not what you think he is.
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Have you actually watched these games? How can you call anything BUT short passes? What in the world has given you the idea that this offensive line can hold up long enough to sustain routes down the field? We are getting hammered at the point of attack and thus calling plays that involve long drops and waiting for receivers to get open downfield seems a bit silly.
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Just look at his Avatar. Has no patience with any coach. Probaly wanted to fire Bill walsh in the 80's cause he didn't go 16-0 every year.
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exactly. As long as Carr is in we WILL be only average to horrible. TOO many checkdowns
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This post is so stupid, Kubiak is not choosing the reciever to throw to!!!! Kubiak can't make Carr throw the ball to our guys down field!
Carr and Kubes cant make the WR catch the ball either.

Or make the oline run block.

Or make the RB's break a tackle.

Or make our Defensive backs catch the ball.

All of this blameing everything on one person who ever its just stupid.
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Just look at his Avatar. Has no patience with any coach. Probaly wanted to fire Bill walsh in the 80's cause he didn't go 16-0 every year.
The avatar was a gift of someone else on this web site who finally realized what I was saying about Capers and Pendry was true. Any way I'm saying the obvious, but that is all right. Again the problem is strictly on the shoulders of Kubiak and no one else.
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Have you actually watched these games? How can you call anything BUT short passes? What in the world has given you the idea that this offensive line can hold up long enough to sustain routes down the field? We are getting hammered at the point of attack and thus calling plays that involve long drops and waiting for receivers to get open downfield seems a bit silly.
I'm not going to totally disagree with you on the short passes, but if you listen to 90% of the people on the game threads and these threads you will hear the problem is the short passes. Again, the problem is the coaching style and what is being done with the offense as opposed to the plays we can use when and where. Kubiak is a horrible play caller - field general.....
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If you give Payton Manning single coverage with Andre Johnson he is going to throw that pass down the field. Carr does not have the arm strength, or the vision. Kubiak is not the problem, it is not the play calling, it is David Carr. He sucks!
Carr has the Arm strength and vision, he doesn't have the decision making
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If you give Payton Manning single coverage with Andre Johnson he is going to throw that pass down the field. Carr does not have the arm strength, or the vision. Kubiak is not the problem, it is not the play calling, it is David Carr. He sucks!
To bad he would already be laying on his @ss.
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Just look at his Avatar. Has no patience with any coach. Probaly wanted to fire Bill walsh in the 80's cause he didn't go 16-0 every year.
That avatar was very popular last year. I don't think you can make a judgement based on that.
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I'm not going to totally disagree with you on the short passes, but if you listen to 90% of the people on the game threads and these threads you will hear the problem is the short passes. Again, the problem is the coaching style and what is being done with the offense as opposed to the plays we can use when and where. Kubiak is a horrible play caller - field general.....
Who cares what a majority of people in the game threads say? It's always easier to blame the coach or the playcalling than it is to recognize that we simply don't have the talent. That's the case here. Want more plays downfield? It's simple - open up a running game, go playaction and give the QB (whoever he is) time to throw and let the receivers get open. To do that, you need legit offensive line talent. We don't have it. There's the biggest part of the problem.
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I'm not going to totally disagree with you on the short passes, but if you listen to 90% of the people on the game threads and these threads you will hear the problem is the short passes. Again, the problem is the coaching style and what is being done with the offense as opposed to the plays we can use when and where. Kubiak is a horrible play caller - field general.....

Ibar I like you as a poster and agree with most of your posts, but step back and see the big picture. Carr has thrown short passes for 5 years, before Kubiak got here Carr was throwing short passes, for 5 years Carr has taken the safe pass in the wrong spot. A Carr lead Bears team would win the Superbowl, but it won't fly here. This isn't on Kubiak, Carr needs to put on the big boy pants and be a NFL QB, no more excuses.
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Vision is different from progression..... Carr has Vision, Carr doesn't have progression and dision making.
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Carr and Kubes cant make the WR catch the ball either.

Or make the oline run block.

Or make the RB's break a tackle.

Or make our Defensive backs catch the ball.

All of this blameing everything on one person who ever its just stupid.
As a matter of fact you can. Its the head coach who is suppose to get his player to do all of the above. If you can't its time to move on. I would add things are rapidly falling apart in Denver. I don't think its by chance either. It has been coming for a long time. Kubiak and Shannihan made an excellent team as coaches. They complimented each other and Shannihan made the final decisions.

Kubiak is simply not ready.
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Kubiak is not the problem......think about is Capers, Palmer, Kubiak.......three different people...........same results.............one Quarterback. Think of the success Kubiak had with QBs before he got here Kubiak IS NOT THE PROBLEM Carr is.

Everybody that knows Im am a big Carr supporter knows thats a big statement.....Kubiak is part of the solution.......not the problem.....hopefully Mcnair knows that.
yeah i refuse to believe that its kubiaks fault. i dont see any difference(besides much improvement in the pass protection) in the offense. carr still makes rookie mistakes and still has bad habits dating back to his rookie season.
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As a matter of fact you can. Its the head coach who is suppose to get his player to do all of the above. If you can't its time to move on. I would add things are rapidly falling apart in Denver. I don't think its by chance either. It has been coming for a long time. Kubiak and Shannihan made an excellent team as coaches. They complimented each other and Shannihan made the final decisions.

Kubiak is simply not ready.
I guess i didnt see Kubes out there on the field adjusting AJ's hands so he would catch the ball. I thought that was Kubes on the sideline with a headset on. Guess I was wrong.
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