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Old 11-25-2006   #1
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Default What makes you think Carr is an improved QB???

There is only what 23 players left from last years team? We have a completely revamped team and Carr’s numbers are not much better.

2005 16gm 423 passes 256 comp 2488yd 14TD 11INT 68 sacks
2006 10gm 285 passes 198 comp 1896yd 9TD 6INT 25sacks

His avg yards per completion is 9.7 in 2005 and 9.57 in 2006

To say Carr is more improved this year and that he is heading in the right direction is a far cry from the truth! The sacks per game are down from 4.25 in 2005 to 2.5 in 2006. Where is Carr's improvement, what is he doing with more time in the pocket, where is the improvement on the score board?

Texans avg points per game are 16.7 in 2006 and 16.2 in 2005

Given these stats what makes people think that Carr is an improved QB???

I give credit to the team and the coaches, in this respect yes the TEAM is better but what has Carr done that he has not done in the past. What improvements has he made???
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4353086.html

Once again, Texans fans are howling for David Carr's well-coiffed scalp, so we come not to praise him but not to bury him, either.

Whether you like or dislike Carr, chew on these statistics and see if you can make a valid argument that the quarterback and the team haven't improved under Gary Kubiak.

Carr is getting ripped by fans because he failed to complete a late third-and-2 pass to Andre Johnson in the 24-21 loss to Buffalo. Kubiak should have called for a run, but first-year coaches make mistakes, too.

At a time when former players and coaches among the national media are talking about Carr's improvement under Kubiak, his critics within the Texans' fan base are convinced the team will never win consistently with him at quarterback.

After the 14-10 loss to the Giants and the 13-10 victory at Jacksonville, Carr's critics put a lid on it, but now they're back on the attack.

But many have failed to notice or have disregarded some facts about the Buffalo game. For instance, the Texans had 289 yards of offense in the first half and trailed 17-14 after Carr led touchdown drives of 80 and 70 yards.

Carr also led a 50-yard drive to the Bills' 13, where the Texans had a first down. He threw a short pass to fullback Jameel Cook, who lost a fumble at the 6.

Was that Carr's fault?


On the last drive of the third quarter that carried over into the fourth quarter, the Texans faced third-and-3 at the Buffalo 27. Carr ran for 16 yards and what should have been a first down at the 11, but the play was wiped out because of a holding call on guard Chester Pitts.

Was that Carr's fault?

Carr took the Texans to Buffalo's 6- and 11-yard lines, and they came away with no points in a three-point loss.


Carr said this week that on the third-and-2 play, he had two options — Johnson and Eric Moulds on slants. He said he saw a linebacker dropping into Moulds' path, so he threw to Johnson. Because cornerback Nate Clements broke on the ball, Carr said he threw it high on purpose. He said if Johnson couldn't get it, he didn't want Clements to get it, either.

Of Carr's 22 consecutive completions against the Bills, eight were for 15 or more yards. Ten of the 22 — 45 percent — produced first downs.

Carr's critics complain that he throws too many short passes. Do you know that in the first 10 games, Carr has completed 20 passes of at least 20 yards? In 16 games last season, he completed 18.

Carr does complete a lot of short passes, but he still averages 6.65 yards per attempt, which is better than Chad Pennington (6.60), Jake Delhomme (6.57), Brett Favre (6.45), Brad Johnson (6.44), Jake Plummer (6.44), Steve McNair (6.34) and Michael Vick (6.31), among others.

At this time last season, Carr had been sacked 47 times. He's been sacked 24 times this season. Carr also has more touchdown passes, fewer interceptions and a better rating than he had at this time last season. And don't forget that the Texans have won two more games.

Check this out: Carr's passer rating, which the NFL judges to be a more accurate barometer than completion percentage, has improved at every distance. The farther Carr gets from the line of scrimmage, the better his rating.

Carr has a rating of 70.9 when throwing behind the line of scrimmage, compared to 63.2 last season.

Carr's rating has gone to 91.8 this season from 81.3 last season from 1 to 10 yards; to 99.0 from 80.7 from 11 to 20 yards; to 88.4 from 54.2 from 21 to 30 yards; and to 135.4 from 85.2 from 31 to 40 yards.

And one more thing: When the Texans are in the red zone, Carr's rating is 94.4. The problem, of course, is getting to the red zone, and when they do, not committing a turnover or getting called for a penalty.


We're not saying Carr's a great quarterback or even a real good one. We're not saying he's a good leader. But we are saying that Carr, like the team, is better under Kubiak and that the Texans are headed in the right direction.
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Hell when McClain can write an article without mentioning some other QB, you know something is up.
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This is coming from John Mclain who rips into Drayton Mclane for not improving the astros. Now Astros improved their offense. Carr to say does good in the end zone is highly unlikely. I always noticed he has difficulty getting that second touchdown. It usually either Kris Brown or our defense that scores the extra points we need. I am not sure what his problem is, but he better fix it. QB rating is overated in my opinion
There is a lot more in that article than just talk about QB rating.
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Man I realy don't post much but that was a heck of an article. Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight here or anything but a bunch of guys just rip on Carr homers and seem to believe they are seeing something that a lot of other reputable people are not seeing. I really believe Kubiak cares more about the success of this team, and keeping his job with our rip your heart out and eat it fan base, than holding on to his precious little quarterback who the Carr haters think he loves so much. To say Carr has not been that much more successful than last year and use statistics to prove it, and then come back to say statistics are irrelevant when other statitistics blow your argument away is just plain ignorant. No, Carr has not been Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. In fact, he hasn't been Philip Rivers either. Yet, he also hasn't been Michael Vick, Ben Roethlsberger, or Jake Plummer. He has been David Carr. We still have an extremely young team and a decent running game. For the Kubiak system to really work, we need something a little better than a decent running game to open up the passing game. Also, the game is moving more towards mobile quarterbacks, but not Michael Vick mobile, more like Tony Romo mobile. And Carr has that. He just has to keep settling down, build up his confidence, and the Carr haters may be eating crow some day. Always finding something to complain about has to be a little bit depressing, so why not try looking at the bright side. We are getting better, David has improved, but we still have a long way to go. But hey, at least we are headed in the right direction.
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There is only what 23 players left from last years team? We have a completely revamped team and Carr’s numbers are not much better.

2005 16gm 423 passes 256 comp 2488yd 14TD 11INT 68 sacks
2006 10gm 285 passes 198 comp 1896yd 9TD 6INT 25sacks

His avg yards per completion is 9.7 in 2005 and 9.57 in 2006

To say Carr is more improved this year and that he is heading in the right direction is a far cry from the truth! The sacks per game are down from 4.25 in 2005 to 2.5 in 2006. Where is Carr's improvement, what is he doing with more time in the pocket, where is the improvement on the score board?

Texans avg points per game are 16.7 in 2006 and 16.2 in 2005

Given these stats what makes people think that Carr is an improved QB???

I give credit to the team and the coaches, in this respect yes the TEAM is better but what has Carr done that he has not done in the past. What improvements has he made???

try watching a game- even carr's bashers will say hes improved his pocket presence and is running well... and the av ppg will only get better as stupid mistakes etc fade and kubiak starts opening up the playbook more
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This shows the truth about Carr (stat-buffer) dumps off and the rest of the guys throw down the field.

Part of this is what the defenses are showing the Texans. They are playing a lot of deep cover 2, so they are basically asking for the Texans to play dink and dunk ball.

I am not expecting this to get any better soon. Andre Johnson has a deep thigh bruise. He's gonna play, but hard to say at what speed.

Moulds going deep isn't a great option at least the times we've seen it this season.
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Texans have one more win so far in 2006 than in 2005
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O.K. I want to educate some people on this board. First off do not post yards per attempt as a stat. Here is a good example of why not!

Quote: Carr does complete a lot of short passes, but he still averages 6.65 yards per attempt, which is better than Chad Pennington (6.60), Jake Delhomme (6.57), Brett Favre (6.45), Brad Johnson (6.44), Jake Plummer (6.44), Steve McNair (6.34) and Michael Vick (6.31), among others.

O.K. Here is a more accurate way of looking at it: Yards per completion!
Carr 9.5
Pennington 10.7 yards per completion
Delhomme 11.1 yards per completion
Favre 11.4 yards per completion
Johnson 10.4 yards per completion
Plummer 11.4 yards per completion
McNair 10.4 yards per completion
Vick 12.1 yards per completion

This shows the truth about Carr (stat-buffer) dumps off and the rest of the guys throw down the field.
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Of Carr's 22 consecutive completions against the Bills, eight were for 15 or more yards. Ten of the 22 — 45 percent — produced first downs.

Carr's critics complain that he throws too many short passes. Do you know that in the first 10 games, Carr has completed 20 passes of at least 20 yards? In 16 games last season, he completed 18.
Carr also has one of the lowest INT thrown percentages in the NFL, with only Peyton, Favre, McNabb, Rivers, Brunell, and Bulger having a lower INT thrown %.
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I know that means so.. but for Carr arguments..

If we lose
Carrs stats are good, well he didn't get us the win
carrs stats are bad.. he stinks



If we win
Carrs stats are good.. it is because of aj
if his stats are bad.. carr stinks and then "think if we had a good QB, we'd blow them out"


it is a revolving door that will never end as long as Carr is the QB of the Texans
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I know that means so.. but for Carr arguments..

If we lose
Carrs stats are good, well he didn't get us the win
carrs stats are bad.. he stinks



If we win
Carrs stats are good.. it is because of aj
if his stats are bad.. carr stinks and then "think if we had a good QB, we'd blow them out"


it is a revolving door that will never end as long as Carr is the QB of the Texans
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OK ... I'm tired of Carr threads so What Texan do you enjoy watching the most ?
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Carr has 23 passes this year that have gone over 20 yards

Pennington 27
Delhomme 30
Favre 39
Johnson 34
Plummer 28
McNair 22
Vick 26
OK, so Favre has 39 passes for 20+ yards, Johnson 34, Delhomme 30, Plummer 28, Pennington 27, Vick 26, and McNair 22. Wee Favre has attempted 367 passes this season, Delhomme 329, Plummer 315, Pennington 286, Vick 267, and McNair 304 compared to Carr's 285 attempts this season. So everyone you listed except for Vick has made more pass attempts than Carr this season.
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I am just trying to say that Carr is not doing anything better than the years before this one. He is set in his ways, due to better talent, he has stat buffed his way into looking like a much improved QB but is he really?? Can we make the playoffs with a QB who does not move the ball down the field. Can this guy take us to the playoff's???

He has not had the pressure like he has had in the past and he still dumps the ball off instead of attacking defenders. He will throw the ball into tripple coverage but he wont throw the deep crossing route with single coverage????????????? I just do not see how people think the guy has played better. The team, YES, the QB I dont think so. If we had a top tier Qb we would have a top ten team.

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Carr 25
Brady 17
Rivers 17
Eli 20
McNair 15
Plummer 17
Vick 29

Carr has not had much more pressure than these guys and they can get the job done!
Brady, Rivers, and McNair have top 10 defenses playing behind them, Eli and Plummer top 15 defenses, and Vick has the #20th ranked defense behind him, compared to Carr who has the 28th overall ranked defense in the NFL, but I forgot our defense's woes are all Carr's fault too...
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True but if you look at completions they are completing more deep passes from those attempts. The yards per completion proves the fact that Carr, on average, throws at least one yard fewer per attempt compared to the rest of the league.
kinda hard to throw the deep ball when our team cant run the ball...
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Kinda hard to throw a INT when all of your throws are 2 yard dump off passes
Everytime you talk about Carr dumping off the ball I'll just post this...remember you started this thread asking about improvement from last season to this season, read the last sentence in bold, does that not show improvement?...

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Carr's critics complain that he throws too many short passes. Do you know that in the first 10 games, Carr has completed 20 passes of at least 20 yards? In 16 games last season, he completed 18.
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Carr ranks dead last in the league for yards per completion
If you are going to post this why not post where our WR's rank in yards after catch in the NFL?
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Obviously because stats don't tell the whole story. Carr is making better decisions and getting rid of the ball. This season he hasn't taken as many sacks as he would have in the past because he get's rid of the ball. When protection breaks down he'll take off and looking back at the Buffalo game had Pitts not been called for the holding we would have had a score. Had Cook not fumbled we would have had a score also in the Giants game when Cook fumbled late in the game. Fact is Carr is putting his guy's in position to win, but they aren't doing it all the time. After the Tennessee game his pocket awareness has improved vastly. Stat's won't show how many different things he's doing to try and win games. The throw intercepted by Clements this weekend was thrown as he was hit, regardless of that A.J. was still in possession to get the ball, but he was beat, great play by Clements can't be blamed on Carr. Since the Tenn. game Carr has not fumbled, the way he holds and protects the ball has also improved. The guy is doing a way better job, but your comparing a full season to 10 games. Even if Carr threw for 100 yds. a game from here on out he would rack up more yds. than last yr. He's not where he's gotta be yet, but too not recognize his improvement, maybe it's you who is set in your ways.
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To say Carr is more improved this year and that he is heading in the right direction is a far cry from the truth! The sacks per game are down from 4.25 in 2005 to 2.5 in 2006. Where is Carr's improvement, what is he doing with more time in the pocket, where is the improvement on the score board?
More time in the pocket? Are you smoking cheeba? Are you aware that Salaam is being mumified with duct tape or that Zack is gone?? Are you aware that we have the worst OL in the entire league?

All your doing is comparing stats with reckless regard to the core issue of Carr's success...The OL.

Anyone that has watched the games knows Carr is making better decisions with the ball *most of the time*...He makes accurate throws, on the run too...Carr is under a much more logical offensive scheme that taylors to our immediate needs *due to injury and lack of talent*.

Anyone with a brain can see we are slowly getting better, Carr included.
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Kinda hard to throw a INT when all of your throws are 2 yard dump off passes
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