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Old 11-20-2006   #1
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Has David Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season? Not counting dump offs to running backs. We made this big effort to go out and get quality tight end to go over the middle of the field to open things up on the outside and can't recall a single time that Carr has done this.
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If I'm not mistaken, TE Daniels is our leading receiver for TDs. He has become
deeply involved in our passing game, which was not the case before this year
except with some limited use of Billy whats-his-name during the first couple of years.
You'd be complaing that the Texans didn't throw to AJ on the 3 & 2 yesterday if Carr had thrown an incompletion to Daniels on the same play.
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Old 11-20-2006   #3
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If I'm not mistaken, TE Daniels is our leading receiver for TDs. He has become
deeply involved in our passing game, which was not the case before this year
except with some limited use of Billy whats-his-name during the first couple of years.
You'd be complaing that the Texans didn't throw to AJ on the 3 & 2 yesterday if Carr had thrown an incompletion to Daniels on the same play.
So the question remains.... has Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season???
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So the question remains.... has Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season???
Yes, but you won't see many deep square-ins and intermediate routes over the middle until our OLine improves. Those routes require 7-step drops and time to develop. We don't do much of that and won't until 2007, hopefully.
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Has David Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season? Not counting dump offs to running backs. We made this big effort to go out and get quality tight end to go over the middle of the field to open things up on the outside and can't recall a single time that Carr has done this.
He doesn't have the arm strength to put the ball in a tight spot. He's got lousy downfield vision. Next.
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Yes
Which game was it?
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Which game was it?
Yes he has but I don't remember which games.

When he does go deep over the middle, particularly between the hashes, he has problem getting over the linebacker. It seems to alway get tipped from that zone coverage.

Remember the Kansas City preseason game? It happened there and a couple of other times this season.

I have been saying the same thing about David throwing over the middle.

We had the running game yesterday, and the passing game still didn't look that good despite the 22 straight completions.

Bottom line, this offense has a real problem scoring points.
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Default Re: Has Carr Ever Thrown Over The Middle???

I think I recall a TD pass earlier this season to AJ where it was thrown down the middle (home game). Even if true, it's not much to brag about.
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Has David Carr thrown a single pass down the middle of the field this season? Not counting dump offs to running backs. We made this big effort to go out and get quality tight end to go over the middle of the field to open things up on the outside and can't recall a single time that Carr has done this.
Tight ends don't open up the middle. Wide Receivers open up the middle. When you have two wide receivers on the sidelines and two tight ends in the game, you don't go over the middle. It's nonsense.

We went over the middle and attacked themiddle of the field when we went five wide against NYGiants. Carr can't go over the middle if no one is there over the middle.
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He doesn't have the arm strength to put the ball in a tight spot. He's got lousy downfield vision. Next.

A quote popped in my head when I read this.............


"It is far better to keep your mouth closed and be thought ignorant than to open it and remove all doubt"
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Which game was it?

Well, yesterday he hit Moulds on a seam route on a third and seven or so. On another third down he hit Moulds on an eight yard hook route. He also avoided pressure on another third down and hit Gado crossing the middle of the field late.
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He doesn't have the arm strength to put the ball in a tight spot. He's got lousy downfield vision. Next.
...right...

His arm strengh is better than 90% of the QB's in the NFL and he can honestly make every throw asked of him. That is one of his biggest strengths and to ignore that or not even acknowledge it is ignorant.

His downfield vision is fine. He hits at least 2 bombs a week and looks downfield other times. Our O-line isn't good enough to let those plays develop with any consistency. When he has time, he hits his man. That's all you can ask out of your QB.
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A quote popped in my head when I read this.............


"It is far better to keep your mouth closed and be thought ignorant than to open it and remove all doubt"
Yeah, your guy has brought the city so much joy.

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...right...

His arm strengh is better than 90% of the QB's in the NFL and he can honestly make every throw asked of him. That is one of his biggest strengths and to ignore that or not even acknowledge it is ignorant.

His downfield vision is fine. He hits at least 2 bombs a week and looks downfield other times. Our O-line isn't good enough to let those plays develop with any consistency. When he has time, he hits his man. That's all you can ask out of your QB.

His downfield vision stinks and his arm is vastly overrated. See how easy it is to be an expert on the internet.
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Default Re: Has Carr Ever Thrown Over The Middle???

Anyone remember the rocket ship that Jermaine Lewis dropped? 50+ yards on a rope.. Perhaps he just threw it too hard.
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Im not as concerned with Carr's arm strength as I am about his placement....

At times he'll make some awesome throws....then he'll come back and make a throw that makes you wonder....

He needs to be more consistent...
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I hear you there. Sometimes, I just have to scratch my head and wonder WTH he is thinking.
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Default Re: Has Carr Ever Thrown Over The Middle???

wasnt it the game against washington where he hit AJ over the middle and sean taylor yanked him out of bounce? nice throw

i agree he does make some great throws sometimes with excellent placement (to moulds a couple times yesterday) and other times he just cant put it in the right spot (going for his 23rd straight completion to AJ - pass too far behind him)
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Carr's directional Split


Split....................COMP .........ATT........... YDS ............PCT ......TD
LEFT SIDE ...............46........... 67 ............448 .............68.7 .......3
MIDDLE ...................14 ...........24 .............81 .............58.3 ........0
RIGHT SIDE ..............38 ...........49 .............382 ............77.6 .......1

"Does Carr ever throw over the middle" ?

Barely....

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"He hits at least 2 bombs a week"

...guess it depends on what your definition of 'bomb' is--longest completion is 53 yds to AJ/Moulds has one for 29 yds/Daniels has one for 33...JMO, but I wouldn't call the latter 2 'bombs'. 83yds? Yeah, that's a bomb.

Where are the other 19?
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