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Old 11-08-2006   #1
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Sorry if this is speculating too much but I can't help myself.

Lance Briggs - Great player and almost a total lock to leave the Bears at the end of the season. Don't you think he would be a great way to turn things even more so around here in Houston? Does he fit the system?

Other LB FA's - Cato June, Adalius Thomas

Michael Turner - Will probably leave SD b/ he is too good to backup LT anymore. I'd love to see him also come here.

DB's include Nate Clements and Asante Samuel. Clements probably going at too high a price tag though.

Anyway, I am purely speculating without knowing much about cap room.

This link shows some of the potential FA's.
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Sorry if this is speculating too much but I can't help myself.

Lance Briggs - Great player and almost a total lock to leave the Bears at the end of the season. Don't you think he would be a great way to turn things even more so around here in Houston? Does he fit the system?

Other LB FA's - Cato June, Adalius Thomas

Michael Turner - Will probably leave SD b/ he is too good to backup LT anymore. I'd love to see him also come here.

DB's include Nate Clements and Asante Samuel. Clements probably going at too high a price tag though.

Anyway, I am purely speculating without knowing much about cap room.

This link shows some of the potential FA's.
I like Brigg's too, but he will be looking for Arrington type cash, and with what Kubiak found in Ryans we might want to look ( in the SEC ) at another rookie to start opposite Wong-Orr. If Mario continues with the sack a game and the pressures, Peek can become a mad man on the other side, and although I like Babin he may be the one on the bubble. We need a running back and Turner does look awesome, but RB is the easiest position to transition to the NFL and DD came in the 4th, so he would not get the big bucks from us other teams may throw at him. DISCLAIMER-I am a fan, nothing more, and these are my takes on what is a great question.
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Turner is a RFA so odds are, San Diego will put the highest tag on him so that anyone that wants him will have to give up at least a 1st. My opinion on FA is that we need a good veteran RB (im still praying for Turner), and a big catch on Defense. If we can, it will make the draft so much easier.
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Turner is a RFA so odds are, San Diego will put the highest tag on him so that anyone that wants him will have to give up at least a 1st. My opinion on FA is that we need a good veteran RB (im still praying for Turner), and a big catch on Defense. If we can, it will make the draft so much easier.
And to answer your AVATAR question, "What is the difference"- Mario and his arm size , everything eles looks good to me.
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I would love to have Briggs come here. If we have a chance to sign him, I'd be extremely happy. I don't think we'll get Michael Turner though. We'd probably have to give up a high draft pick for him since he's a restricted free agent and I'm not willing to do that (especially since we'll probably be drafting in the top 10 of each round), especially for a guy who, although he looks the part, hasn't ever been the main running back for an entire season.
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Nate Clements should be our big FA target this year. Going the free agency route for RB is rarely a good idea and has rarely worked to great effect. I don't want to have to overpay for another teams 2nd string RB...I think the system can develop one of our existing RBs

Lets hit Clements in FA and draft top CB,DL, or OLB available in the 1st round. That would start to give us some depth and some flexibility in the secondary. I think Troy Vincent deserves a look and feel the Texans dropped the ball by passing on him in this years week7 waiver wire. He is kinda old but depth for a few years would be nice and can't hurt.

Hopefully we adopt the Bears/Panthers team philosophy and build our team around a good defense and opportunistic offense. I think its the safest bet and probably the quickest ride. We need to continue to draft defense and not continue to overpay for other team's discarded cargo...

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I would love to get Samuel. He is very steady without getting a bunch of recognition, and teaming his up with D-rob is a scary idea (for the other teams). However, if we were only going to make one big signing, I would preffer us to get a true, established free saftey who can be relied on to cover TE's and not make any pass over the middle an adventure (Ken Hamlin maybe?). Anyway, I think we should focus on improving the defense through FA while drafting for offense because as a defender you can contribute right away without too much focus on learning the system, because most defenses are very simmillar, especialy for the DB's, while as an offensive player you will have to learn a new system if you are a rook or a 15 year vet.

Edit: unless we are in position to get a stud-linebacker, because that is probably our most needy position along with saftey.
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Nate Clements should be our big FA target this year. Going the free agency route for RB is rarely a good idea and has rarely worked to great effect. I don't want to have to overpay for another teams 2nd string RB...I think the system can develop one of our existing RBs

Lets hit Clements in FA and draft top CB,DL, or OLB available in the 1st round. That would start to give us some depth and some flexibility in the secondary. I think Troy Vincent deserves a look and feel the Texans dropped the ball by passing on him in this years week7 waiver wire. He is kinda old but depth for a few years would be nice and can't hurt.

Hopefully we adopt the Bears/Panthers team philosophy and build our team around a good defense and opportunistic offense. I think its the safest bet and probably the quickest ride. We need to continue to draft defense and not continue to overpay for other team's discarded cargo...

doug ftw

In my opinion, the biggest factor in someone like Nate Clements coming to Houston is the 2nd half performance of Mario Williams and DeMeco Ryans. If they can show that they can put more pressure on the QB, then that will make it attractive for Clements to come here because he would (a) get the money he wants, (b) become the #1 CB with a really good #2 in D-Rob, and (c) most importantly, feel as if the up front pressue would result in more INTs for him and increase the likelihood of him being an annual ProBowler.

If Mario slacks off in the 2nd half performance, or if the defense looks like it did the first few weeks, there is no way he comes here just because of money.
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I'm not sure why Briggs would go from a Super Bowl contender to an also ran unless you want to pay out the wazoo.
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I'm not sure why Briggs would go from a Super Bowl contender to an also ran unless you want to pay out the wazoo.
They wont be able to pay all those guys for long. Sooner or later they are going to have to let some pieces of that defense to leave. Just like the Pats have the last few years.
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I'm not sure why Briggs would go from a Super Bowl contender to an also ran unless you want to pay out the wazoo.
Yeah, that would be like going from a SuperBowl contender with a great offense to a perenial looser with no offensive line. No one ever does that.

On the other hand, its worked out terribly for both the Cards and Edge, so lets avoid the realy top level of FA's, especially when they have one of the best front 4's in football in front of them and Defenseive player of the Year next to them beefing up their production and their price tag
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What about a trade for LB and a HB in FA. Trade down for D-2ndary/linemen use the 1st rounder for trade bait or get more 2-3rd round picks. I wouldnt say FA HB's usually don't pan out. You just have to be smart about it. Taking edge was stupid. Grab a guy from a team that has no cap room for 2 good HB's. Jacksonville/Dallas/N.O./Giants/Denver etc. Not a HB that's at the end of his career looking for phat loot. How about keep Sage trade Carr for a HB../snicker
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i wouldnt mind trading for marion barber III from dallas!! I'd give up a 3rd for him. I also wouldnt mind trading for brandon jacobs out of ny, id give a 3rd for him too.
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i wouldnt mind trading for marion barber III from dallas!! I'd give up a 3rd for him. I also wouldnt mind trading for brandon jacobs out of ny, id give a 3rd for him too.
Sorry GM, but I don't think either of those bruisers are going anywhere.
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i wouldnt mind trading for marion barber III from dallas!! I'd give up a 3rd for him. I also wouldnt mind trading for brandon jacobs out of ny, id give a 3rd for him too.
Jacobs will be the Giant starting running back when Tiki Barber retires after this season. There's no way the Cowboys part with Marion Barber either. Julius Jones seems to be a little injury prone and they need a backup. That and Jones and Marion Barber make for a good 1-2 punch. Neither scenario seems realistic.
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Your best bet with a running back is the draft, because its the lowest risk, unless you decided to pay a guy $60M to be a decoy
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I mentioned this on another thread, that I don't really have a good idea who's out there in the FA market or who's coming up in the draft. It's still too early to tell what or who the Texans will be going for in either. My thought at this point though is that they will probably go after O-line and front 7 players on defense again. Alot of this depends on the play of Lundy, if DD comes back next year, and the play of the secondary for the rest of this year.

I still feel they have to address the O-line due to the ages of Flanagan, Wiegert, McKinney, and Salaam. All are getting old and slow, though they seem to be playing fairly well this year. If we could pick up a good 4th or 5th year starting O-lineman in FA, then maybe get another in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft, it would go a long way in building and solidifying this line.

As for defense, they need to find a replacement for Payne (don't know how good Maddox is yet), and they need more LBer help. Maybe we can pick one of these up in FA and go for the other in the draft.

I think with the 1st round pick in the draft, Kubes may go for a RB (not likely and depends on who's out there), but more likely will go after secondary help.
Speaking of the draft, has anyone heard what positions will be deep and what will be thin? That will determine alot what Kubes does with his picks and also FA. JMHO!
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Your best bet with a running back is the draft, because its the lowest risk, unless you decided to pay a guy $60M to be a decoy
being able to slide those Reggie jokes in will never get old. (long as he keeps sucking)

on another note, if McNair decides to spend some $$ in the FA, go and grab John Lynch. Dude can lay the wood and that seems to be something our D lacks. pop. though, i'm not positive on if he's a RFA or UFA but he'll be available this offseason.

also, Starks from the defending champion 2-6 Steelers would be some nice Oline help. can never have too much of that around here.
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being able to slide those Reggie jokes in will never get old. (long as he keeps sucking)

on another note, if McNair decides to spend some $$ in the FA, go and grab John Lynch. Dude can lay the wood and that seems to be something our D lacks. pop. though, i'm not positive on if he's a RFA or UFA but he'll be available this offseason.

also, Starks from the defending champion 2-6 Steelers would be some nice Oline help. can never have too much of that around here.
A lot of people on this board would be against drafting Landry or Griffin so I guess they would be against signing Lynch.

He hits harder than both but is AWFUL in coverage.

I would like to have him tho if we didnt draft one of those two safeties.
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being able to slide those Reggie jokes in will never get old. (long as he keeps sucking)

on another note, if McNair decides to spend some $$ in the FA, go and grab John Lynch. Dude can lay the wood and that seems to be something our D lacks. pop. though, i'm not positive on if he's a RFA or UFA but he'll be available this offseason.

also, Starks from the defending champion 2-6 Steelers would be some nice Oline help. can never have too much of that around here.
I don't want Lynch. He is an older Earl. No coverage who can hit you hard on a crossing pattern.
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