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Old 11-05-2006   #1
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Default Lets be serious here.... Morlon Greenwood..

There was a reason the G-Men kept hammering to the right side of our run defense. This guy is not gonna survive to next year. Why not make changes now?

Were paying this guy so much to be non productive like this. S.Orr is no better
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Who do we put in there though? Besides Demeco Ryans, our LB corps in terrible. There's a bunch of holes in this team, but the biggest one, IMO, in linebacker. Morlon Greenwood is another mistake from the Casserly-era.
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Default Re: Lets be serious here.... Morlon Greenwood..

I imagine we will be looking for another stud LB in the draft.
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Default Re: Lets be serious here.... Morlon Greenwood..

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There was a reason the G-Men kept hammering to the right side of our run defense. This guy is not gonna survive to next year. Why not make changes now?

Were paying this guy so much to be non productive like this. S.Orr is no better
It was more like running the stretch and attacked the edge (off tackle) and showed that we are weak at both outside LB's. (Where was Wong today? Was he inactive and I missed it?)

PS I am about to give Morlon back to the agency that I adopted him from. 49 tackles in 8 games for a LB who is on the field all the time is terrible. At least Orr can say that he doesn't play on passing downs (but that doesn't excuse him from the fact that he is terrible also.)
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Default Re: Lets be serious here.... Morlon Greenwood..

Who are we supposed to put in to replace him? He's better than Orr, and Orr is good enough to start for us right now.
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Wong was inactive due to a tight hamstring.
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Good Point!!!! Where the heck was Wong!?

Orr is a decent pass rusher, but shockey exposed him in coverage.
Shockey exposes a lot of people in coverage, but Orr isn't very good in many aspects of football, not just covering a freak like Shockey.
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Default Re: Lets be serious here.... Morlon Greenwood..

IMO Orr has been playing better since Wong has been getting healthier, seems a little afraid to lose his job. You guys seem to be forgetting that early in the game Orr dropped the Giants RB (I think it was Bradon Jacobs) behind the line. It was a pretty good play and he has around 2-4 a game, Greenwood on the otherhand can go back to Miami for all I care.
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IMO Orr has been playing better since Wong has been getting healthier, seems a little afraid to lose his job. You guys seem to be forgetting that early in the game Orr dropped the Giants RB (I think it was Bradon Jacobs) behind the line. It was a pretty good play and he has around 2-4 a game, Greenwood on the otherhand can go back to Miami for all I care.
Orr was blitzing on that play.
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I imagine we will be looking for another stud LB in the draft.
A "stud LB" in the first round, I gather?

That's fine with me.
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Default Re: Lets be serious here.... Morlon Greenwood..

First off, I would much rather have secondary help than help at LB in the first round.

Secondly, Greenwood has played better than Orr in my opinion. I didn't see Greenwood making that many mistakes, and Kubiak even praised his playing last week. Orr is a total liability. Anyone who can only play passing or rushing downs like that is not going to get far. I felt like I was watching myself go for that ball against Shockey---looked totally lost and silly and out of position
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Orr is a lineman converted to a LB...he really isn't much of a Sam linebacker in a 4-3. He doesn't play in space well and doesn't have the ability to cover TE's. At the will, Greenwood is just another Casserly FA that isn't worth anything close to his salary. We need two new linebackers.
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Good Point!!!! Where the heck was Wong!?

Orr is a decent pass rusher, but shockey exposed him in coverage.
I think Shockey pushed off. had that call gone the other way, you'd be saying something totally different.

I do believe Orr plays the run better than he covers, but that play was actually a good play by Orr...... every one else was fooled by the Play action, and I believe the ref screwed the call.

But they did run an awful lot to the weakside.... we bit on the misdirection every time. Demeco did just like our other LBs....

I understand swarming Defenses, and running to the ball, but after the third big run, you'd have thought the backside LB would've wised up......

& while I do like Orr, I'd much rather have Peek playing that position. Especially if we are only going to bring him in on passing downs, or drop Mario into coverage.
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Default Re: Lets be serious here.... Morlon Greenwood..

2007 Needs:
WLB
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FS (unless Donte moves to FS then we need CB1)
RB
C
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and possibly a starting QB

Did I leave anything out?
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2007 Needs:
WLB
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and possibly a starting QB

Did I leave anything out?
No that about covers it ogre. I pretty much agree with the needs. Unfortunatly, this is a two year list. Now the question is how do you prioritze in the draft and FA? I would put WLB and corner as 1a and 1b. Closely followed by RB, then FS, then C, then back to SLB(Assuming Wong can come back healthy), then ORT, and lastly SS.

I am going to leave QB up in the air right now. I don't have a good feel just yet on that issue.

The above list does not neccessarily indicate draft order, as you have to see who is available. I am more in the best available player mode, and you also need to see what you do in FA. But, if we came out of the first day with a LB, a corner, and a RB in no particular order, I would be pickled tink. :bananasplit:
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and possibly a starting QB

Did I leave anything out?
well, we don't need a SS- we have 2... I don't think we need a center either, though an interior lineman of some kind would be good.

If we have another offseason like this one, that list won't even be a challenge!
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Star Player (Peterson)
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Default Re: Lets be serious here.... Morlon Greenwood..

how about an impact defensive tackle to take some pressure off Mario? I would love to see TJ or Maddox become that guy, or for anybody else on the D-line to make an impact, but right now there is very little production from anybody else on the line other then Mario. ND Kalu and Weaver have some flashes, but nothing consistant. And where are Peek and Babin hiding?
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I would love to see a FA CB pickup (Clements or Samuels baby!) and a first round pick for Corner, then move Dunta to FS where his tackling can do more damage and he can see the feild better for picks.

The reason people think Orr had a bad game was the call against Shockey, and thats it? I've been noticing him step up and make plays these 3 weeks and I get more and more infuriated with Greenwood.

Edit: and RDR, Peek and Babin are playing injured ... again, I wish they would just get themselves healthy so they could play at 100%
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