Ja Marcus Russell? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

V Man · 11-01-2006

The QB for LSU.

Does anyone know anything about him?

He is a big kid 6'6" and has some good stats. He is a Junior but no one lists him in the QB prospects. Is it because he isn't that good or they know that he is already committed to returning to LSU next year?

Thanks

YoungTexanFan · 11-01-2006

I list him when talking about top QB's. I consider him an athletic freak and a stud player. Some disagree, but thats ok. He has what I consider the best arm in all of football. He's not getting much mention because he isn't ready just yet for the NFL. He will need to return to LSU next year for sure. But, if anything lets you know that he is a stud, let it be that he is keeping Ryan Peroliux on the bench. Peroliux was the second coming of VY with better running ability. He's supposed to be like Vick, Young, and Culpepper combined physically. I'd draft Russell though if I had the chance.

kastofsna · 11-01-2006

the pure athletic ability alone warrants a look, but i wouldn't invest a first day pick on him. he's just too inconsistent and makes poor decisions when it matters most. he needs to stay another year; LSU probably has the most talented team going into next year.

YoungTexanFan · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by kastofsna

the pure athletic ability alone warrants a look, but i wouldn't invest a first day pick on him. he's just too inconsistent and makes poor decisions when it matters most. he needs to stay another year; LSU probably has the most talented team going into next year.

I agree. He makes some questionable decisions at times. In this draft class with many top talent QB's, he would probally go in the 3rd round basicly on athletic ability and potential alone. He needs another year at LSU and LSU's team is looking VERY good for next year.

TexansCanes · 11-01-2006

he has made some major strides this year and has become more consistent, but i want him to and i think he needs another year. he just hasn't showed he can win a big game yet. the loses this year weren't necessarily his fault but he wasn't able to take the game over and win it. he still has the tendency to force something and not let the game come to him (his first int against UF). if he came out i think he would probably go in the 2nd for his arm alone but a great year next year could really move him up especially if some the juniors come out this year.

V Man · 12-11-2006

Now if this kid declares for the draft now, are you even interested in him? and when would you take him?

I am.

When I don't know, have heard his stock is rising (2nd round?)

**Vinny** · 12-11-2006

I watch a TON of SEC football....and I think he is a top 20 pick for sure...may be a top ten pick after all the film is broken down and people grasp his cannon and his intelligence to go along with it. I'd love to have him as his coaches think he is smart enough to be a coach if he wanted to pursue it. He can chunk the ball the length of the field and can move well enough even though he is massive and a physical freak. He reminds me of a larger Rothlisberger with a better arm and is a bit like Cullpepper except I think he has more upside. His game translates to the NFL in a big way.

thunderkyss · 12-11-2006

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the loses this year weren't necessarily his fault but he wasn't able to take the game over and win it.

Should fit in pretty well here in Houston.

Titan "Tack" Fan · 12-11-2006

I had a class with him last semester. He's definitely bigger than 6'6. He's 6'7 pushing 6'8. He is one of the most physically impressive people I've seen in person.

El Tejano · 12-11-2006

This is why I think if we don't get Peterson or something we need to trade our pick and get multiple picks in the first round.

kastofsna · 12-11-2006

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Originally Posted by Titan "Tack" Fan

I had a class with him last semester. He's definitely bigger than 6'6. He's 6'7 pushing 6'8. He is one of the most physically impressive people I've seen in person.

if he was 6'7, LSU would say he was 6'8.

YoungTexanFan · 12-11-2006

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Originally Posted by Vinny

I watch a TON of SEC football....and I think he is a top 20 pick for sure...may be a top ten pick after all the film is broken down and people grasp his cannon and his intelligence to go along with it. I'd love to have him as his coaches think he is smart enough to be a coach if he wanted to pursue it. He can chunk the ball the length of the field and can move well enough even though he is massive and a physical freak. He reminds me of a larger Rothlisberger with a better arm and is a bit like Cullpepper except I think he has more upside. His game translates to the NFL in a big way.

I don't get to watch all that much during the actual season, but will get a chance to watch a lot more after the all star games...but, Vinny, how do you rate his pocket presence. Can he feel a rush coming? Does he force a throw? Does he understand a checkdown? Does he constantly drift back in the pocket like Carr? Is he willing to step up even when the pocket is collapsing? When I watch LSU play, I haven't been focusing on him too much because I didn't think he would enter. Thanks anyone who can honestly help.

**Vinny** · 12-11-2006

He plays nothing like Carr. He takes chances and sometimes he tries to fit the ball in too tight a window (he has a couple of 3 INT games)....the opposite of Carr, who doesn't throw the ball unless the wr is wide open or underneath coverage. Carr throws a good deep ball but what is missing from his skill set is a quality intermediate throw in the middle of the field. Russell has no issues with this pass other than needing a year or so to groom (imo). I think he moves and slides in the pocket very well and although he isn't a scrambler, he buys time well (the reason I threw in the Rothlisberger reference).

Titan "Tack" Fan · 12-11-2006

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Originally Posted by kastofsna

if he was 6'7, LSU would say he was 6'8.

No they wouldn't, QBs are usually listed smaller than they are.

**Vinny** · 12-11-2006

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Originally Posted by Titan "Tack" Fan

No they wouldn't, QBs are usually listed smaller than they are.

I don't know about that...but I do know that being over 6'8" isn't a positive trait projecting a QB to the NFL....I don't think there has ever been a great QB that tall.

Huge · 12-11-2006

Daunte Culpepper clone.

Problem is, you're going to have to take the good with the bad. Russell needs another season in college. He's not ready for the big time just yet. His best bet is to go late in the 1st so he can join an established team that has a veteran QB that will need to be replaced in a couple of years.

kastofsna · 12-11-2006

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Originally Posted by Titan "Tack" Fan

No they wouldn't, QBs are usually listed smaller than they are.

no, no they aren't. no player is. ever. russell is not 6'7 or 6'8, sorry.

also, with possible combine and individual workouts to impress people, and only one true first-rounder QB in this draft, don't be shocked to see someone reach BIG on russell. top 10 possibility.

**beerlover** · 12-11-2006

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Originally Posted by kastofsna

also, with possible combine and individual workouts to impress people, and only one true first-rounder QB in this draft, don't be shocked to see someone reach BIG on russell. top 10 possibility.

please define true first-rounder QB

**Vinny** · 12-11-2006

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Originally Posted by kastofsna

no, no they aren't. no player is. ever. russell is not 6'7 or 6'8, sorry.

also, with possible combine and individual workouts to impress people, and only one true first-rounder QB in this draft, don't be shocked to see someone reach BIG on russell. top 10 possibility.

He is every bit the prospect Rothlisburger or Lefty, or Cullpepper was....and this isn't as good a draft as last year...so I wouldn't consider it a reach at all.

**beerlover** · 12-11-2006

not to mention a couple QB's taken recently in the 11-15 range have done pretty good. right now in a trade down scenero Marcus Russell or Troy Smith are viable targets for the Texans to evaluate.

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V Man Pumpkinhead Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alamo City Age: 45 Posts: 2,586 Rep Power: 18	Ja Marcus Russell? The QB for LSU. Does anyone know anything about him? He is a big kid 6'6" and has some good stats. He is a Junior but no one lists him in the QB prospects. Is it because he isn't that good or they know that he is already committed to returning to LSU next year? Thanks __________________ sig by michaelm

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YoungTexanFan Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,791 Rep Power: 653	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? I list him when talking about top QB's. I consider him an athletic freak and a stud player. Some disagree, but thats ok. He has what I consider the best arm in all of football. He's not getting much mention because he isn't ready just yet for the NFL. He will need to return to LSU next year for sure. But, if anything lets you know that he is a stud, let it be that he is keeping Ryan Peroliux on the bench. Peroliux was the second coming of VY with better running ability. He's supposed to be like Vick, Young, and Culpepper combined physically. I'd draft Russell though if I had the chance. __________________ The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we had when we created them.

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kastofsna Hall of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 7,438 Rep Power: 405	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? the pure athletic ability alone warrants a look, but i wouldn't invest a first day pick on him. he's just too inconsistent and makes poor decisions when it matters most. he needs to stay another year; LSU probably has the most talented team going into next year.

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TexansCanes All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: LSU Age: 26 Posts: 600 Rep Power: 10	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? he has made some major strides this year and has become more consistent, but i want him to and i think he needs another year. he just hasn't showed he can win a big game yet. the loses this year weren't necessarily his fault but he wasn't able to take the game over and win it. he still has the tendency to force something and not let the game come to him (his first int against UF). if he came out i think he would probably go in the 2nd for his arm alone but a great year next year could really move him up especially if some the juniors come out this year. __________________ "He's a bad dude, I'd like to have him in our arsenal. I'd never run the ball."

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V Man Pumpkinhead Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alamo City Age: 45 Posts: 2,586 Rep Power: 18	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? Now if this kid declares for the draft now, are you even interested in him? and when would you take him? I am. When I don't know, have heard his stock is rising (2nd round?) __________________ sig by michaelm

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Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? I watch a TON of SEC football....and I think he is a top 20 pick for sure...may be a top ten pick after all the film is broken down and people grasp his cannon and his intelligence to go along with it. I'd love to have him as his coaches think he is smart enough to be a coach if he wanted to pursue it. He can chunk the ball the length of the field and can move well enough even though he is massive and a physical freak. He reminds me of a larger Rothlisberger with a better arm and is a bit like Cullpepper except I think he has more upside. His game translates to the NFL in a big way. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

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Titan "Tack" Fan Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ca$hville Posts: 1,514 Rep Power: 42	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? I had a class with him last semester. He's definitely bigger than 6'6. He's 6'7 pushing 6'8. He is one of the most physically impressive people I've seen in person. __________________ ADVENTURE, EXCITEMENT, A JEDI CRAVES NOT THESE THINGS

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El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? This is why I think if we don't get Peterson or something we need to trade our pick and get multiple picks in the first round.

12-11-2006	#13
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? He plays nothing like Carr. He takes chances and sometimes he tries to fit the ball in too tight a window (he has a couple of 3 INT games)....the opposite of Carr, who doesn't throw the ball unless the wr is wide open or underneath coverage. Carr throws a good deep ball but what is missing from his skill set is a quality intermediate throw in the middle of the field. Russell has no issues with this pass other than needing a year or so to groom (imo). I think he moves and slides in the pocket very well and although he isn't a scrambler, he buys time well (the reason I threw in the Rothlisberger reference). __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

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Huge Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Out yonder way... Age: 41 Posts: 2,386 Rep Power: 15	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? Daunte Culpepper clone. Problem is, you're going to have to take the good with the bad. Russell needs another season in college. He's not ready for the big time just yet. His best bet is to go late in the 1st so he can join an established team that has a veteran QB that will need to be replaced in a couple of years.

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beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,358 Rep Power: 15075	Re: Ja Marcus Russell? not to mention a couple QB's taken recently in the 11-15 range have done pretty good. right now in a trade down scenero Marcus Russell or Troy Smith are viable targets for the Texans to evaluate. __________________ 2012 Draft was Mercilus

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